Ashton Broyld playing QB, RB, AND WR?

[OrangeMojo]

we have needs in a lot of places, thats for sure. but wr, qb, and to a lesser extent rb are not them this year.

lb is a glaring weakness in terms of talent, depth, and athleticism - and size.

apparently we have very different opinions on the potential of the LBs and QBs on the roster

you must also believe that Ashton would handle a switch from offense to defense without ever being given a chance on O a heck of a lot better than I do.

 

[CusefanATL]

apparently we have very different opinions on the potential of the LBs and QBs on the roster

you must also believe that Ashton would handle a switch from offense to defense without ever being given a chance on O a heck of a lot better than I do.

A. he isnt taking nassib's spot. pretty sure that was made clear. our LB'ers are basically all 6'0" and under.

B. you are probably right, but I have a feeling HCDM doesn't care.

 

[All4SU]

This. And in reality, the kid needs a set position so he can learn it. If they really thought he was going to be a QB...he wouldn't be playing WR and RB. You don't waste a year of QB development to get a play maker on the field.

I'm not so sure about that. He was only going to get limited exposure to the QB position this year anyway. So what's the harm in spoon feeding him 15% of the position, and couple of packages for him?

 

[Czar]

This. And in reality, the kid needs a set position so he can learn it. If they really thought he was going to be a QB...he wouldn't be playing WR and RB. You don't waste a year of QB development to get a play maker on the field.

What, so he can develop on the bench and learn in practice? He's going to do that anyways. A playmaker is a playmaker, he needs to be on the field. I'm certain that if Nassib didn't exist, Broyld would probably be #1 on the QB depth chart by the sound of it.

 

[sufandu]

Ashton "Slash" Broyld.

You beat me to it. When I read this I can't help but think of Kordell Stewart.

 

[Millhouse]

What, so he can develop on the bench and learn in practice? He's going to do that anyways. A playmaker is a playmaker, he needs to be on the field. I'm certain that if Nassib didn't exist, Broyld would probably be #1 on the QB depth chart by the sound of it.

and there's not that much point in teaching broyld the offense they run for nassib anyway.

he'll learn part of the 2013 offense, get reps and game action and have that much less to learn next spring. wr and RB are places where freshman can compete and that knowledge will help him at QB

 

[OrangeMojo]

A. he isnt taking nassib's spot. pretty sure that was made clear. our LB'ers are basically all 6'0" and under.

B. you are probably right, but I have a feeling HCDM doesn't care.

QBs get hurt all the time - I think I'd rather have Ashton out there running the wildcat as the backup than Charlie Loeb trying to run the regular offense. And if we're just discussing 2012, who exactly do you see Broyld starting ahead of at LB after just a summer camp to get ready? A starting unit of Davis / Spruill / Vaughan isn't exactly the smurfs out there - and I don't care what height Lynch is, the kid is a player.

LB heights:
Davis 6'3"
Vigille 6'3"
Vaughan 6'2"
Spruill 6'1"
Coker 6'1"

 

[sufandu]

we have needs in a lot of places, thats for sure. but wr, qb, and to a lesser extent rb are not them this year.

lb is a glaring weakness in terms of talent, depth, and athleticism - and size.

He can have a much bigger impact on a game on offense if his gamebreaking talent is what the coaches think it is, especially in specific situations, because he only has to know his specific job on a given play. On defense, he's an athletic kid that doesn't know the defense well enough to make any greater impact than the kids we already have there. Our bigger problem last year on D was a small d-line that couldn't keep our small LB's clean. That seems to have been addressed (at least in regards to the size of the bodies there), so hopefully that allows the LB's to make more plays this year.

 

[billsin01]

Holy **** maybe our offense won't be boring as **** to watch most of the time anymore.

http://t.co/3H0rJcNU

This sounds like the very definition of Multiple. Maybe that's what a Mulptiple offense is -- getting really talented kids to play everywhere on the field.

 

[billsin01]

Well, I guess that might explain the black out.

Getting play makers on the field is a good idea.

Unless, of course, it makes the black out all the more pointless since the information got out there anyway.

 

[All4SU]

Unless, of course, it makes the black out all the more pointless since the information got out there anyway.

I suppose the other question is, How much of Broyld does SU show in the Spring Game? I am of the belief that the closed practices are a big picture effort, and not specific to just Broyld. Still, SU fans will be expecting to see something on 4/21.

 

[billsin01]

and there's not that much point in teaching broyld the offense they run for nassib anyway.

he'll learn part of the 2013 offense, get reps and game action and have that much less to learn next spring. wr and RB are places where freshman can compete and that knowledge will help him at QB

First of all, your post is incomplete. We're three pages deep and no one has mentioned how Ashton is doing in the life skills/character development department.

But, otherwise, I agree. RB and WR aren't difficult to get on the field and he's unlikely to be particularly polished at one position or another this year anyway. Get him on the field, take advantage of his athleticism and you may get a better feel for where he fits long-term.

 

[RMH44]

At RB he makes the defense concerned about the sweep that turns into a pass down field. At WR he is also a dual threat, and if he has good hands he is possibly a good bet to pick up yards after the catch. At QB the defense will need to be able to defend the option. I still like the idea of him at TE, but that may be too much to ask for any young player.

I think TE is far too limiting a role for a kid like AB. If he is all that is advertised, he needs as many touches as possible.

 

[All4SU]

I think TE is far too limiting a role for a kid like AB. If he is all that is advertised, he needs as many touches as possible.

Get Loeb to TE, and we will THREE QBs on the field! It could an aerial circus!

 

[DeepThrowIt]

What, so he can develop on the bench and learn in practice? He's going to do that anyways. A playmaker is a playmaker, he needs to be on the field. I'm certain that if Nassib didn't exist, Broyld would probably be #1 on the QB depth chart by the sound of it.

All I am saying is if hes going to be a QB, it may be smart to give him a year to learn the position. Its the age old long run vs. short run discussion. Do you redshirt AB, give him a year to learn the offense/mature/be ready to go as QB 1 in 2013 or do you not redshirt him, have him learn RB, WR, QB, TE, etc...and hope this helps in his QB development for 2013? Also, Nassib is the #1 this year. You have to look at the back end as well. AB would be starting qb for '13, '14, '15, '16 if you redshirt him as opposed to just '13, '14, '15. These are the questions that makes roster management so difficult.

We are talking about a kid who has obvious maturity issues and also some issues in the classroom. It may be smarter to let him learn one position than multiple positions. Especially his first year in college. Just my two cents.

I'd still love to see him at LB!

 

[billsin01]

All I am saying is if hes going to be a QB, it may be smart to give him a year to learn the position. Its the age old long run vs. short run discussion. Do you redshirt AB, give him a year to learn the offense/mature/be ready to go as QB 1 in 2013 or do you not redshirt him, have him learn RB, WR, QB, TE, etc...and hope this helps in his QB development for 2013? Also, Nassib is the #1 this year. You have to look at the back end as well. AB would be starting qb for '13, '14, '15, '16 if you redshirt him as opposed to just '13, '14, '15. These are the questions that makes roster management so difficult.

We are talking about a kid who has obvious maturity issues and also some issues in the classroom. It may be smarter to let him learn one position than multiple positions. Especially his first year in college. Just my two cents.

I'd still love to see him at LB!

I agree with your general opinion on QB and redshirting. 90% of this board associates redshirting with "not developing" or "not being talented enough." Forcefeeding snaps is a disaster in many cases. My thought with Broyld is that he's perhaps best used in that Harvin-type role of WR/RB/QB in the wildcat. Especially since there is an absolute desperate cry for playmakers. I think the trouble with hoping he gets it together in the classroom and off the field is that he may just not do it. Tough call -- get what you can while he's here or potentially waste a lot of time trying to get him right only to see him fail out/transfer/get in trouble anyway. I'm not saying that will happen, merely that if that is a major concern it's a tough call.

 

[TexanMark]

All I am saying is if hes going to be a QB, it may be smart to give him a year to learn the position. Its the age old long run vs. short run discussion. Do you redshirt AB, give him a year to learn the offense/mature/be ready to go as QB 1 in 2013 or do you not redshirt him, have him learn RB, WR, QB, TE, etc...and hope this helps in his QB development for 2013? Also, Nassib is the #1 this year. You have to look at the back end as well. AB would be starting qb for '13, '14, '15, '16 if you redshirt him as opposed to just '13, '14, '15. These are the questions that makes roster management so difficult.

We are talking about a kid who has obvious maturity issues and also some issues in the classroom. It may be smarter to let him learn one position than multiple positions. Especially his first year in college. Just my two cents.

I'd still love to see him at LB!

Playing Broyld this year to me looks like QB insurance...just in case Nassib gets hurt mid/late season. RGL Charlie Loeb looks like a career clipboard holder. IMHO Kinder at best looks like a Wildcat QB.

I think Ashton would do great at LB or TE but it is harder to find a dual purpose QB than a TE/LB.

IF the Dual QB thing fails miserably this year...DM always has the option to RS him in 2013 to learn a new position. Either Broyld or Hunt might get moved to another position.

 

[All4SU]

All I am saying is if hes going to be a QB, it may be smart to give him a year to learn the position. Its the age old long run vs. short run discussion. Do you redshirt AB, give him a year to learn the offense/mature/be ready to go as QB 1 in 2013 or do you not redshirt him, have him learn RB, WR, QB, TE, etc...and hope this helps in his QB development for 2013? Also, Nassib is the #1 this year. You have to look at the back end as well. AB would be starting qb for '13, '14, '15, '16 if you redshirt him as opposed to just '13, '14, '15. These are the questions that makes roster management so difficult.

It's imperative that SU start winning again now. Then go out and get some more Ashton Broylds.

 

[Scooch]

If this kid can run fast, elude people and catch the ball then get him on the damn field.

I can't imagine this program needing anything more than some playmakers.

 

[OrangePA]

we have needs in a lot of places, thats for sure. but wr, qb, and to a lesser extent rb are not them this year.

lb is a glaring weakness in terms of talent, depth, and athleticism - and size.

Wow.

I disagree with your assessment of our LB corp.

We are young, athletic and aggressive at that position.

I don't see a lack of size given the evolution of the position - in defense of spread offenses.

 

[All4SU]

Wow.

I disagree with your assessment of our LB corp.

We are young, athletic and aggressive at that position.

I don't see a lack of size given the evolution of the position - in defense of spread offenses.

I'm in that camp too. Makes it difficult against the power running teams, but you have to give something up somewhere. We just don't have the depth to be really flexible with our D.

 

[JoeSU]

I'm reminded what Ciarrocca attempted to do with Jeremy Deering 2 years ago.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I suppose the other question is, How much of Broyld does SU show in the Spring Game?

Hope the staff doesn't overthink this. The story is out.

He can run a 5 yard hitch, a dive, and a roll out and it won't reveal any of the secrets the offense have.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm reminded what Ciarrocca attempted to do with Jeremy Deering 2 years ago.

The problem with that is that they could settle on who the base QB was.

There is no threat to Nassib's job. Figure out ways to use the other talents around him.

 

[GoSU96]

QBs get hurt all the time - I think I'd rather have Ashton out there running the wildcat as the backup than Charlie Loeb trying to run the regular offense. And if we're just discussing 2012, who exactly do you see Broyld starting ahead of at LB after just a summer camp to get ready? A starting unit of Davis / Spruill / Vaughan isn't exactly the smurfs out there - and I don't care what height Lynch is, the kid is a player.

LB heights:
Davis 6'3"
Vigille 6'3"
Vaughan 6'2"
Spruill 6'1"
Coker 6'1"

Maybe I'm nuts, but it looked to me that Lynch has gotten taller.