Ashton Broyld playing QB, RB, AND WR?

[CusefanATL]

Wow.

I disagree with your assessment of our LB corp.

We are young, athletic and aggressive at that position.

I don't see a lack of size given the evolution of the position - in defense of spread offenses.

we have davis, spruill, and lynch. and then not much else...

 

[CIL]

would love to see Broyld at LB

I understand why people want to see Broyld at LB. Ashton certainly has the measurables to play LB at this level, and when you factor in our depth chart on the surface it appears to be a no brainer.

However, Ashton is far more valuable on the offensive side of the ball. He is a potential mismatch at several positions. For those wondering why Ashton isn't redshirting and focused solely on playing QB, the answer is simple: we already have our QB of the future and his name is Terrell Hunt. The staff is very high on Hunt. Hopefully he is able to place perfumegate behind him and gets himself prepared to be our starting QB in 20113-2014. This isn't to say that Ashton cannot play at this level, and I don't want to eliminate the possibility of Broyld starting at QB for us someday, but I think a lot of you are underestimating Hunt's impact as the qb of the future. Remember, Hunt was a starter for Christ the King's hoops program, and a darned good one. He is an excellent athlete.

Broyld was recruited as an athlete. He was told he would get a shot a QB. Broyld would prefer to stay on the offensive side of the ball and I believe the staff will use him in a slash capacity for the time being. Eventually my guess is he ends up a 'tweener TE/WR, much like Stanford used Teyo Johnson years ago. The beauty about Broyld's game is he is also possesses great instinct when running with the ball. He can play a bit of RB as well. Can you imagine motioning him out of the backfield in to the slot where an OLB or SS is assigned to cover him one one one in the passing game? There's a lot you can do with someone as talented as Broyld, and the staff is going to take advantage of it. They don't want to stick him on the defensive side of the ball just because he is a big body and we are a bit thin at LB.

There is plenty of precedent of playing these slash types of athletes at multiple positions early in their career: obviously Tannyhill is a recent example, but guys like Michael Bush, Hines Ward, Teyo Johnson, the WR from Kansas a few years back, Kevin Johnson, etc etc. I am certinly in favor of getting our best players on the field early, and putting them in a position to be successful. In fact, my biggest gripe with this current staff has been their commitment to playing lesser talented athletes at times because of their mastery of the playbook as opposed to playing the young kids and letting them learn from their mistakes.

 

[RMH44]

The problem with that is that they could settle on who the base QB was.

There is no threat to Nassib's job. Figure out ways to use the other talents around him.

...and Deering played at around 185 pounds not 230.

 

[OrangeMojo]

Maybe I'm nuts, but it looked to me that Lynch has gotten taller.

that's because apparently all of these other kids have shrunk down below 6'

 

[OrangePA]

we have davis, spruill, and lynch. and then not much else...

I understand why people want to see Broyld at LB. Ashton certainly has the measurables to play LB at this level, and when you factor in our depth chart on the surface it appears to be a no brainer.

However, Ashton is far more valuable on the offensive side of the ball. He is a potential mismatch at several positions. For those wondering why Ashton isn't redshirting and focused solely on playing QB, the answer is simple: we already have our QB of the future and his name is Terrell Hunt. The staff is very high on Hunt. Hopefully he is able to place perfumegate behind him and gets himself prepared to be our starting QB in 20113-2014. This isn't to say that Ashton cannot play at this level, and I don't want to eliminate the possibility of Broyld starting at QB for us someday, but I think a lot of you are underestimating Hunt's impact as the qb of the future. Remember, Hunt was a starter for Christ the King's hoops program, and a darned good one. He is an excellent athlete.

Broyld was recruited as an athlete. He was told he would get a shot a QB. Broyld would prefer to stay on the offensive side of the ball and I believe the staff will use him in a slash capacity for the time being. Eventually my guess is he ends up a 'tweener TE/WR, much like Stanford used Teyo Johnson years ago. The beauty about Broyld's game is he is also possesses great instinct when running with the ball. He can play a bit of RB as well. Can you imagine motioning him out of the backfield in to the slot where an OLB or SS is assigned to cover him one one one in the passing game? There's a lot you can do with someone as talented as Broyld, and the staff is going to take advantage of it. They don't want to stick him on the defensive side of the ball just because he is a big body and we are a bit thin at LB.

There is plenty of precedent of playing these slash types of athletes at multiple positions early in their career: obviously Tannyhill is a recent example, but guys like Michael Bush, Hines Ward, Teyo Johnson, the WR from Kansas a few years back, Kevin Johnson, etc etc. I am certinly in favor of getting our best players on the field early, and putting them in a position to be successful. In fact, my biggest gripe with this current staff has been their commitment to playing lesser talented athletes at times because of their mastery of the playbook as opposed to playing the young kids and letting them learn from their mistakes.

Really hope Terrell Hunt can catch up this summer.

Looking forward to seeing him play a bit.

 

[DeepThrowIt]

I think Ashton would do great at LB or TE but it is harder to find a dual purpose QB than a TE/LB.

I don't agree with this. Its pretty tough to find someone 6'4 230 who runs a reported 4.5. Its also pretty tough to get a player like this to SU. I find it hard to believe that hes going to play RB at 6'4 and agree that his talents would be wasted at TE. I also don't think he is fast enough to be an elite WR but we will see how it pans out. I would hate this kid to be ok at a few positions when he could be great at another.

I'm an offensive guy but for some reason Doug Hogue keeps popping into my head. If Doug was a LB from day 1, he may have been a high draft pick.

 

[DeepThrowIt]

I'm reminded what Ciarrocca attempted to do with Jeremy Deering 2 years ago.

Or Sanu and Sanu battled injuries much of his career because RU beat him up at wildcat QB for a year. This is what I don't want to see happen to AB.

 

[OrangePA]

we have davis, spruill, and lynch. and then not much else...

Vaughn, Vigille, Diabate, Coker will all probably contribute this fall.

I'm okay at LB - and in the secondary. It seems to me that experience might be the biggest factor on that side of the ball.

 

[cusestudent]

Maybe I'm nuts, but it looked to me that Lynch has gotten taller.

Not height but his frame is bigger. Myles Davis is the guy I wanted to see at LB, what a monster he is.

 

[orangepassion]

Great-With this info. out, they might cancel the spring game in retaliation.

Holy **** maybe our offense won't be boring as **** to watch most of the time anymore.

http://t.co/3H0rJcNU

 

[JoeSU]

The problem with that is that they could settle on who the base QB was.

There is no threat to Nassib's job. Figure out ways to use the other talents around him.

I thought the root of their issues that year were more about the OL.
My point is that in an attempt to get their best playmakers more touches, Deering and Sanu took a beating and had limited success at RB and taking snaps in the Wildcat (or whatever they called it). As last year showed, it was a total waste of their talent, which was better utilized at WR (and helped spread opposing defenses).
Broyld is a different player... I just hope we don't make the same mistake.

 

[TexanMark]

I don't agree with this. Its pretty tough to find someone 6'4 230 who runs a reported 4.5. Its also pretty tough to get a player like this to SU. I find it hard to believe that hes going to play RB at 6'4 and agree that his talents would be wasted at TE. I also don't think he is fast enough to be an elite WR but we will see how it pans out. I would hate this kid to be ok at a few positions when he could be great at another.

I'm an offensive guy but for some reason Doug Hogue keeps popping into my head. If Doug was a LB from day 1, he may have been a high draft pick.

We haven't had a gamechanging NFL drafted QB since what? 1998.

We've had several NFL LB's since then.

I say we try him out at QB this year.

 

[GoSU96]

Not height but his frame is bigger. Myles Davis is the guy I wanted to see at LB, what a monster he is.

I don't know, he looked taller, not just bigger.

 

[DeepThrowIt]

We haven't had a gamechanging NFL drafted QB since what? 1998.

We've had several NFL LB's since then.

I say we try him out at QB this year.

I'm in agreement with you on that Mark. If he is going to play QB, keep him at QB this year. We don't need to mess him up by asking him to learn a little of each. Especially in his first year when he has a history of struggling with academics and maturity. If this was his third year and we wanted to get him on the field then I would be fine with him dabbling in other positions. It just scares me that we are using this kid too many ways too soon. Hopefully I am wrong!

 

[OrangeMojo]

I don't agree with this. Its pretty tough to find someone 6'4 230 who runs a reported 4.5. Its also pretty tough to get a player like this to SU. I find it hard to believe that hes going to play RB at 6'4 and agree that his talents would be wasted at TE. I also don't think he is fast enough to be an elite WR but we will see how it pans out. I would hate this kid to be ok at a few positions when he could be great at another.

I'm an offensive guy but for some reason Doug Hogue keeps popping into my head. If Doug was a LB from day 1, he may have been a high draft pick.

not fast enough to be an elite WR - you mean like Mike Williams? kid had blazing speed

 

[GoSU96]

I'm in agreement with you on that Mark. If he is going to play QB, keep him at QB this year. We don't need to mess him up by asking him to learn a little of each. Especially in his first year when he has a history of struggling with academics and maturity. If this was his third year and we wanted to get him on the field then I would be fine with him dabbling in other positions. It just scares me that we are using this kid too many ways too soon. Hopefully I am wrong!

The future is now. This program is not in a position where it can redshirt one of the best athletes on the team.

 

[bnoro]

Not height but his frame is bigger. Myles Davis is the guy I wanted to see at LB, what a monster he is.

Knee issues limited his mobility severely. He doesn't have the sideline to sideline ability to play LB at a D1 school unfortunately.

 

[Chip]

Unless, of course, it makes the black out all the more pointless since the information got out there anyway.

Agree, he took snaps at RB in Rochester, so if someone were to care all that much about our secrets, they'd know them by now anyway.

I hope Ashton is McNabb 2.0, with a more iron constitution, but somehow I don't think opposing teams, who already know who we recruited, are going to be up all night wondering where or how SU might use a true freshman this year.

What's encouraging to me is just knowing that it sounds like we'll be continuing to increase the # of athletes on the field. When you have that, you don't have to care as much about the element of surprise. Surprises only work for the opener anyway, can't hide that film.

 

[DeepThrowIt]

The future is now. This program is not in a position where it can redshirt one of the best athletes on the team.

This is where we disagree. If his future is at QB, I believe he should redshirt. This will be beneficial to the team in the long run. Especially considering how well (sarcasm) we are recruiting QBs lately. The hypothetical question I'm sure the staff is asking themselves is whether or not AB playing RB or WR is going to win SU more games this year. Remember Sales is back in addition to Lemon and some of the younger WRs we have heard the staff speak highly of. RB is more of a question mark and I don't know how effective AB can be as a 6'4 running back.

It would be silly to waste a redshirt on a handful of plays at other positions if he's the future at QB. just my opinion.

 

[CaliCuse]

Holy **** maybe our offense won't be boring as **** to watch most of the time anymore.

http://t.co/3H0rJcNU

I don't see aAshton as being proficient except as a QB maybe. A WR needs some speed which I think Broyld does not have for that position. As a Qb dropping back and then taking off through a hole he might have some ability or even a QB draw Running the option is a possibility but only if the cover man goes for the trailing RB too soon leaving Broyld the ability to cut up field for a few yards. I would rather see him keep the running threat while throwing downfield for a wide open receiver.

 

[GoSU96]

This is where we disagree. If his future is at QB, I believe he should redshirt. This will be beneficial to the team in the long run. Especially considering how well (sarcasm) we are recruiting QBs lately. The hypothetical question I'm sure the staff is asking themselves is whether or not AB playing RB or WR is going to win SU more games this year. Remember Sales is back in addition to Lemon and some of the younger WRs we have heard the staff speak highly of. RB is more of a question mark and I don't know how effective AB can be as a 6'4 running back.

It would be silly to waste a redshirt on a handful of plays at other positions if he's the future at QB. just my opinion.

I don't think he's going to ever be an every down QB here.

 

[RF2044]

This is where we disagree. If his future is at QB, I believe he should redshirt. This will be beneficial to the team in the long run. Especially considering how well (sarcasm) we are recruiting QBs lately. The hypothetical question I'm sure the staff is asking themselves is whether or not AB playing RB or WR is going to win SU more games this year. Remember Sales is back in addition to Lemon and some of the younger WRs we have heard the staff speak highly of. RB is more of a question mark and I don't know how effective AB can be as a 6'4 running back.

It would be silly to waste a redshirt on a handful of plays at other positions if he's the future at QB. just my opinion.

Agree 100%. We're still searching for Donovan McNabb's successor 13+ years later. Not saying anything about how he stacks up relative to Hunt--looking forward to seeing what they both bring to the table--but if this kid has a future at QB, then I'd much rather preserve the year of eligibility to give him a chance to develop.

Year 5 is going to be exponentially better than what he'd produce in Year 1, IMHO.

 

[OrangeMojo]

Agree 100%. We're still searching for Donovan McNabb's successor 13+ years later. Not saying anything about how he stacks up relative to Hunt--looking forward to seeing what they both bring to the table--but if this kid has a future at QB, then I'd much rather preserve the year of eligibility to give him a chance to develop.

Year 5 is going to be exponentially better than what he'd produce in Year 1, IMHO.

we have no idea how much he'll be able to produce in year 1 - and hopefully by hypothetical Ashton year 5 there are several other playmakers on the roster

 

[CaliCuse]

I don't think he's going to ever be an every down QB here.

If I'm not mistaken ,this is Nassib's last year at Syracuse.What I really don't want is a freshman QB next season"2013 with no experience. I prefer rolling the dice that we play Broyld and we bring in another QB to replace Ashton when the time is right.couchburn

 

[cusestudent]

Knee issues limited his mobility severely. He doesn't have the sideline to sideline ability to play LB at a D1 school unfortunately.

I've noticed his knee has been taped up, but wasn't sure how much it affected him, thanks.