Attractiveness of SU HC job

[richmondcuse03]

007’s post in the Autry thread about the attractiveness of the SU job probably warrants its own thread. This hasn’t been an “open” job since the 1970s. Where does it objectively rank?

Pros

• Top five program in wins all time
• top tier basketball conference
• Prestigious basketball brand (even despite the last decade, the basketball brand ranks highly)
• Close to a lot of talent (NY produces a lot of quality bball players unlike football)
• Passionate fan base with huge home crowds
• Don’t have to follow a legend - expectations are tempered

Cons

• ACC ranks behind SEC and Big Ten in distro and that’s clearly had an impact on the conference as a whole
• big spending focus at school on football instead

Unclear

• NIL budget
• Salary for HC and assistants
• Facilities - how does Melo Center compare relatively to other places? Does it matter vs. NIL?

Objectively seems like a top 25 opening and one of the better ones in the ACC despite recent history no?

 

[dasher]

I would take the job

 

[phil77]

If we are serious about turning the program around and getting back to where we were, then you'd better pay for the best coach on the market. No excuses. If they go cheap and not pay, then that will tell me what they think of our once proud basketball program.

 

[whobut03]

Personally, I have serious reservations of who we can attract. In this new world, NIL is priority #1 #2 and #3 and a distant 4th is facilities.

Our NIL lagged behind, the budget was there this year, but 3 years from now, will you be able to build a competitor with a $8-9 million roster? I don’t think so personally.

Facilities wise, the melo center is out dated. There’s no other way around it. It needs a bit of a face lift and some new bells and whistles, for example, a recovery center like Illinois. Some schools even have a portable gym that travels to away games. You think our admin is going to green light something like that? Again, I don’t think so.

we need to commit $13-15 mil for NIL without sacrificing football while also investing in facilities like the Melo.

I haven’t even mentioned a salary pool for assistants.

Don’t mean to be a Debbie downer but in this new world, nothing matters but $$$$$$$ and for a university that has cried poor for generations, I don’t see that changing.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is basically asking the exact same question board members do when we pose "she hot?"

 

[AustinCuse]

Personally, I have serious reservations of who we can attract. In this new world, NIL is priority #1 #2 and #3 and a distant 4th is facilities.

Our NIL lagged behind, the budget was there this year, but 3 years from now, will you be able to build a competitor with a $8-9 million roster? I don’t think so personally.

Facilities wise, the melo center is out dated. There’s no other way around it. It needs a bit of a face lift and some new bells and whistles, for example, a recovery center like Illinois. Some schools even have a portable gym that travels to away games. You think our admin is going to green light something like that? Again, I don’t think so.

we need to commit $13-15 mil for NIL without sacrificing football while also investing in facilities like the Melo.

I haven’t even mentioned a salary pool for assistants.

Don’t mean to be a Debbie downer but in this new world, nothing matters but $$$$$$$ and for a university that has cried poor for generations, I don’t see that changing.

In the current environment, NIL budgets for schools which want to be competitive will keep climbing every year as long as there isn’t an effective way to control budgets. Weak controls on NIL will drive payments back under the table. Schools are going to have to opt out of leagues just because it is too financially prohibitive.

But thinking ahead, leaders need to work with the President and Congress to put an effective control in place which does reward student athletes, but doesn’t make a mockery out of the education purpose and students who are paying for their education. And while pushing to get the legislation in place, we need to position for this new world. Chasing ever increasing budgets will not be fruitful.

 

[RF2044]

If we are serious about turning the program around and getting back to where we were, then you'd better pay for the best coach on the market. No excuses. If they go cheap and not pay, then that will tell me what they think of our once proud basketball program.

Agree 144%*




* Footnote to 721comstock, for originating this trademarked carchphrase

 

[Newhouser]

I think it's a good job to attract some from outside the big boy conferences. I do not think it's cache or SU spending will allow us to steal a big time coach.
We are quickly becoming an after thought to any hoop fan not residing in the 315.

 

[sufan59]

It should be a top 15 job, it should be very attractive. Although should doesn’t always equal will.

 

[Brooky03]

Another consideration is finding a dude who wants to live in Syracuse. Many of us here like Syracuse, NY just fine. And the Finger Lakes are neat. But I’m sure the number of high-level coaches who won’t consider living in central NY is not insignificant.

 

[phil77]

It should be a top 15 job, it should be very attractive. Although should doesn’t always equal will.

If we pay like a top 15 job then it will be seen as a top 15 job.

 

[CuseMan4]

It should be a top 15 job, it should be very attractive. Although should doesn’t always equal will.

Was just about to say this. 100% a top 15 job. Honestly it’s even more attractive now than when Autry took it. You never want to follow a legend. You want to follow the person who followed the legend.

Syracuse basketball is like a professional sports team in CNY. Syracuse basketball when it’s winning is “IT” in CNY. We’ve seen that for decades. Players and coaches when the program are going, are treated like pro athletes and celebrities. The dome gets packed, we are one of the winningest programs of all time, multiple final fours, a national championship, some of the most NBA draft picks of all time. It has consistently been shown it can be down here over decades. Alum and CNY are proud of Cuse basketball and we want a winner. No other program has a JMA Wireless, hell when Cuse basketball is rolling Dickie V said it himself during the Duke game back in the day “Syracuse basketball is the Mecca of college basketball”. No one can match the energy and atmosphere of a Sold out JMA and a big game atmosphere. It literally cannot be matched because no one can hold as many people as we do.

NIL is unknown. I like to think we can spend $12-$15 mil a year on a team and that should be enough to be a competitor. Truthfully if we had a competent coach. I think this years team is pretty easily a tourney team. But we all know we have horrible coaching.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I would take the job

What about BC tho??

 

[Cusefan0307]

Another consideration is finding a dude who wants to live in Syracuse. Many of us here like Syracuse, NY just fine. And the Finger Lakes are neat. But I’m sure the number of high-level coaches who won’t consider living in central NY is not insignificant.

Dumbest argument ever that always pops up here. By this logic Miami, USC and Arizona State would have been a powerhouse for decades.

Who wants to live in storrs, flint, Ames, Lubbock, Iowa City, Omaha, Tuscaloosa, Little Rock, Bloomington and Waco. I mean I could go on. Those are all teams in the top 30.

 

[sufan59]

Another consideration is finding a dude who wants to live in Syracuse. Many of us here like Syracuse, NY just fine. And the Finger Lakes are neat. But I’m sure the number of high-level coaches who won’t consider living in central NY is not insignificant.

That’s part of the culture fit question of the interview process

 

[tptcuse]

Another consideration is finding a dude who wants to live in Syracuse. Many of us here like Syracuse, NY just fine. And the Finger Lakes are neat. But I’m sure the number of high-level coaches who won’t consider living in central NY is not insignificant.

I hate this argument. Tons of college towns are in the middle of nowhere and they're WAY further away from cool metro areas than Syracuse is.

 

[UnknownOrange]

it’s more attractive now then it was after JB. Revitalizing a broken program vs having to do that AND follow JB is a much better sell

 

[sufan59]

it’s more attractive now then it was after JB. Revitalizing a broken program vs having to do that AND follow JB is a much better sell

For sure, I actually think we would’ve ended up having to settle if we went outside then, we still may now, but it was a mess then. That’s why even if we have to make a change, we should understand that the work done to modernize the program in the last three years will have a major impact on the next coach ability to succeed because Autry oversaw a lot of cleanup and innovating regardless of how he coaches games.

 

[cusefan88]

It's a great job if the school is willing to pay market rate and the HC can help augment NIL being a good fundraiser.

Play Duke/UNC every year, recruit the Northeast and play potentially in front of 30k a few times/year.

 

[dasher]

What about BC tho??

I guess

 

[McCuse]

If we are serious about turning the program around and getting back to where we were, then you'd better pay for the best coach on the market. No excuses. If they go cheap and not pay, then that will tell me what they think of our once proud basketball program.

The school will get the big money back if they can start filling the dome again. They can't fill the dome again for basketball or football if they half step their way to obtain talent. That goes for coaching and athletes. SU is in a unique position to max out dollars with such a large facility like the dome. If you fill the seats!

 

[McCuse]

007’s post in the Autry thread about the attractiveness of the SU job probably warrants its own thread. This hasn’t been an “open” job since the 1970s. Where does it objectively rank?

Pros

• Top five program in wins all time
• top tier basketball conference
• Prestigious basketball brand (even despite the last decade, the basketball brand ranks highly)
• Close to a lot of talent (NY produces a lot of quality bball players unlike football)
• Passionate fan base with huge home crowds
• Don’t have to follow a legend - expectations are tempered

Cons

• ACC ranks behind SEC and Big Ten in distro and that’s clearly had an impact on the conference as a whole
• big spending focus at school on football instead

Unclear

• NIL budget
• Salary for HC and assistants
• Facilities - how does Melo Center compare relatively to other places? Does it matter vs. NIL?

Objectively seems like a top 25 opening and one of the better ones in the ACC despite recent history no?

The school will get the big money back if they can start filling the dome again. They can't fill the dome again for basketball or football if they half step their way to obtain talent. That goes for coaching and athletes. SU is in a unique position to max out dollars with such a large facility like the dome. If you fill the seats!

 

[HyattsCuse]

Unclear

• NIL budget
• Salary for HC and assistants
• Facilities - how does Melo Center compare relatively to other places? Does it matter vs. NIL?

Objectively seems like a top 25 opening and one of the better ones in the ACC despite recent history no?

Breaking it down like you have confirms to me it should be an easy sell to our prospective coach of choice IF Syracuse and boosters/fans have and are willing to spend the funds.

All of your unclear bullet points have $$$ as the common denominator.

 

[cuseinseattle]

Totally agree it's about money. We have never had to pay top 10 money when we had Boeheim. Hope we pay it but it doesn't feel like something we do.

 

[LAorange44]

I think we perceive the job as more attractive than the marketplace rates it. In a lot of ways we are like PSU football: great tradition and fanbase, and high expectations but little patience. I think a lot of current coaches will interview to get a raise and extension but ultimately the job is most attractive to somebody at Josh Pastner’s level, which is a caliber of coach we don’t want to stoop to. Hopefully wildhack can pull a rabbit out of his hat.