Attractiveness of SU HC job

[SmilinBob]

The potential at SU for $ is right there waiting if the right HC comes and gets this team winning.

Most of the HC's out there know the brand and are old enough to have seen what the Dome and fans have to offer, As other have said, this job hasn't been open in a very very long time.

It is a very attractive job. John picks the right coach and this will take off.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

All that matters is NIL and Salary. Everything else you mentioned is meaningless for a coach in today’s game.

 

[dan7800]

I'm sorry if this has been touched on, but how does the financial soundness of the institution as a whole factor into this and how much SU will be able to offer? I've been hearing (which may be incorrect ) that things are not so rosy financially on the hill for the institution as a whole.

It would be great to get insights from folks if this could impact things (Note: I'm not looking for a "SU is rich, look at the tuition they charge" response, but if anyone is in the know, then that would be good info.)

 

[Scooch]

I'm sorry if this has been touched on, but how does the financial soundness of the institution as a whole factor into this and how much SU will be able to offer? I've been hearing (which may be incorrect ) that things are not so rosy financially on the hill for the institution as a whole.

It would be great to get insights from folks if this could impact things (Note: I'm not looking for a "SU is rich, look at the tuition they charge" response, but if anyone is in the know, then that would be good info.)

It's a good question but my hunch is that it doesn't matter. As long as a potential hire knows that he's going to get paid well, and that the money for NIL, direct player compensation, and facilities is plentiful, then I doubt he cares if there's going to be academic budget cuts.

 

[SmilinBob]

All that matters is NIL and Salary. Everything else you mentioned is meaningless for a coach in today’s game.

So pay Red 10 million a year and have a 20 million dollar a year NIL works for you since the coach doesn't matter?

 

[Newhouser]

I'm sorry if this has been touched on, but how does the financial soundness of the institution as a whole factor into this and how much SU will be able to offer? I've been hearing (which may be incorrect ) that things are not so rosy financially on the hill for the institution as a whole.

It would be great to get insights from folks if this could impact things (Note: I'm not looking for a "SU is rich, look at the tuition they charge" response, but if anyone is in the know, then that would be good info.)

Interesting. Eventually a big name school is going to close its doors. 2026 is going to be interesting for small privates and maybe some SUNY schools but I think SU is fine. I do think NY taxes make SU salary structure interesting.

 

[elimunelson]

What about BC tho??

Siena is better to dasher

 

[elimunelson]

I'm sorry if this has been touched on, but how does the financial soundness of the institution as a whole factor into this and how much SU will be able to offer? I've been hearing (which may be incorrect ) that things are not so rosy financially on the hill for the institution as a whole.

It would be great to get insights from folks if this could impact things (Note: I'm not looking for a "SU is rich, look at the tuition they charge" response, but if anyone is in the know, then that would be good info.)

SU rebidding students this year w better financial aid is so bush league that I wonder how well financially the school is doing.

School has to be having a hard time attracting people like me who were lower middle class but wanted the glitz and glamour of CNY in the early 90s

 

[RedtheGOB]

I'm sorry if this has been touched on, but how does the financial soundness of the institution as a whole factor into this and how much SU will be able to offer? I've been hearing (which may be incorrect ) that things are not so rosy financially on the hill for the institution as a whole.

It would be great to get insights from folks if this could impact things (Note: I'm not looking for a "SU is rich, look at the tuition they charge" response, but if anyone is in the know, then that would be good info.)

I think it's just how they prioritize. It's just a fact that Syracuse has actually never paid for a top tier Football or Basketball coach in the modern era especially not out of the gate.

Hoops it was never a concern with the old man, Boeheim salary was peanuts comparably, if anyone watched that 30 for 30 he made his millions way back in the day just to have his players wear Nike or Adidas shoes. Autry was paid at best middle of the ACC salary, someone can correct me but I'm confident saying there's 40ish coaches paid more than he is across the entirety of P5. No doubt Autry is underperforming his pay but not like the school dug deep to pay him either. Then our football coaches salaries it's been nowhere near the top of the pay ranges and Fran technically was a cheap hire given he was not even a coordinator in the SEC.

The SU mindset tends to be if they succeed we will give them extensions and success incentives. Same as many places, but not really ideal for a fanbase sharpening their pitchforks because we can't seem to make a 68 team tournament. Syracuse seems allergic to overpaying for new sports coaches in my opinion, they want value and guys that are likely to stick around.

Maybe that changes for Cuse hoops because the pressure is building, who knows.

 

[dan7800]

Interesting. Eventually a big name school is going to close its doors. 2026 is going to be interesting for small privates and maybe some SUNY schools but I think SU is fine. I do think NY taxes make SU salary structure interesting.

I dont think SU will shut it doors or anything drastic like that. However, virtually every private school in upstate NY is having a tough time and SU is no exception. I've heard of budget cutbacks and some moderately drastic cost cutting.

On a side topic, why do NY taxes make the salary structure interesting?

 

[elimunelson]

I dont think SU will shut it doors or anything drastic like that. However, virtually every private school in upstate NY is having a tough time and SU is no exception. I've heard of budget cutbacks and some moderately drastic cost cutting.

On a side topic, why do NY taxes make the salary structure interesting?

Cornell? Colgate? Hamilton? I haven’t heard they are but correct me if I’m wrong.

I would assume every Ivy League/NESCAC school is humming along financially.

 

[JimBoston]

I dont think SU will shut it doors or anything drastic like that. However, virtually every private school in upstate NY is having a tough time and SU is no exception. I've heard of budget cutbacks and some moderately drastic cost cutting.

I live in Boston and cheap airline flights has changed where kids in the Boston area consider for college. Twenty or thirty years ago, kids would consider going to an upstate private school as it was drivable. Now kids realize it's easier to fly to the Carolinas or the midwest than driving to central NY. That said, private schools like Colgate, Cornell, Syracuse,... have little to worry about student demand although they do face cost pressures like almost every college, but other privates do have problems attracting students especially with the college age student demographic issues in the Northeast.

On topic, the Syracuse job is a top 15 college basketball job. History, fan base, conference, proximity to recruits,... Sure, the ACC is not the ideal conference for Syracuse, but the conference shouldn't hold Syracuse back. But, Syracuse needs to find a way to play 1 or 2 games per year in MSG to keep NYC area alums involved. The key for Syracuse is to find a coach that wants to be in Syracuse over the long haul. UConn identified Hurley as a potential lifer and pushed out Ollie even though he had a buyout and he seems settled there.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

On a side topic, why do NY taxes make the salary structure interesting?

Yeah, I’d like to know more about this as well.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So pay Red 10 million a year and have a 20 million dollar a year NIL works for you since the coach doesn't matter?

If that is what you deciphered from this thread and my post it isn’t worth explaining.

 

[powdersmack]

So pay Red 10 million a year and have a 20 million dollar a year NIL works for you since the coach doesn't matter?

 

[Scooch]

I live in Boston and cheap airline flights has changed where kids in the Boston area consider for college. Twenty or thirty years ago, kids would consider going to an upstate private school as it was drivable. Now kids realize it's easier to fly to the Carolinas or the midwest than driving to central NY. That said, private schools like Colgate, Cornell, Syracuse,... have little to worry about student demand although they do face cost pressures like almost every college, but other privates do have problems attracting students especially with the college age student demographic issues in the Northeast.

Syracuse being one of the very few northeast schools that has a big time sports culture is one of the reasons it's still an attractive school for students. There are a LOT of northeast-based, middle/upper class kids who really want the traditional college experience, complete with college gamedays, party scene, and loads of school spirit.

To your point, more of them are now going south for that. Out-of-state enrollment from the north at SEC and ACC schools has skyrocketed. Cheap, direct flights have made that much more accessible.

Syracuse, Penn State, Pitt and BC are basically it if a kid wants that in the northeast.

 

[Blanko97]

I'm sorry if this has been touched on, but how does the financial soundness of the institution as a whole factor into this and how much SU will be able to offer? I've been hearing (which may be incorrect ) that things are not so rosy financially on the hill for the institution as a whole.

It would be great to get insights from folks if this could impact things (Note: I'm not looking for a "SU is rich, look at the tuition they charge" response, but if anyone is in the know, then that would be good info.)

I don’t think they’re struggling financially. The amount of money they’ve laid out for real estate alone would indicate they’re secure enough to make bets on the future. Perhaps the current administrations… disinterest(?) in supporting academics might be a cause for uncertainty? I know that’s a major reason why KS moved his retirement up a year.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Interesting. Eventually a big name school is going to close its doors. 2026 is going to be interesting for small privates and maybe some SUNY schools but I think SU is fine. I do think NY taxes make SU salary structure interesting.

People greatly over emphasize the state tax issue for people making millions. Now if every other variable to the job is the same including cost of living? Sure. But that’s very rarely the case.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Syracuse being one of the very few northeast schools that has a big time sports culture is one of the reasons it's still an attractive school for students. There are a LOT of northeast-based, middle/upper class kids who really want the traditional college experience, complete with college gamedays, party scene, and loads of school spirit.

To your point, more of them are now going south for that. Out-of-state enrollment from the north at SEC and ACC schools has skyrocketed. Cheap, direct flights have made that much more accessible.

Syracuse, Penn State, Pitt and BC are basically it if a kid wants that in the northeast.

Yup. And Pitt doesn’t have a great on campus sports environment for football. BC doesn’t invest as much in big time sports either. So you’re left with Syracuse and Penn State. The school has done a lot of research on this. It’s why they’ve spent so much more on athletics over the past five to ten years. I know we want it to be more but the level has increased drastically. And it needs to increase a bit more on basketball side to make sure we don’t piss away the basketball revenue we get off tickets.

 

[Scooch]

People greatly over emphasize the state tax issue for people making millions. Now if every other variable to the job is the same including cost of living? Sure. But that’s very rarely the case.

Yep. People get fired up when Elon Musk moves from CA to TX or whatever, but a vanishingly small number of millionaires actually move. There are many easier ways to shield income from taxes than to not move to a higher tax state or relocate altogether.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Yep. People get fired up when Elon Musk moves from CA to TX or whatever, but a vanishingly small number of millionaires actually move. There are many easier ways to shield income from taxes than to not move to a higher tax state or relocate altogether.

Sadly very true. And they’re great at shielding money from federal taxes which matters a whole lot more.

 

[Scooch]

Yup. And Pitt doesn’t have a great on campus sports environment for football. BC doesn’t invest as much in big time sports either. So you’re left with Syracuse and Penn State. The school has done a lot of research on this. It’s why they’ve spent so much more on athletics over the past five to ten years. I know we want it to be more but the level has increased drastically. And it needs to increase a bit more on basketball side to make sure we don’t piss away the basketball revenue we get off tickets.

I threw in Pitt and BC to be kind but agree that it's really us and PSU.

That being said, SU having a sticker price that's $30-40K more than out of state at SEC and ACC schools is laughable.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I threw in Pitt and BC to be kind but agree that it's really us and PSU.

That being said, SU having a sticker price that's $30-40K more than out of state at SEC and ACC schools is laughable.

Yea especially when the average kid rarely pays the sticker. It only matters for the kids who can afford and for them probably doesn’t matter. there was so much focus in higher education the last two decades that price = value, which is what people think. Studies have shown it. But we’ve probably reached the point where that no longer matters as folks have realized student loan debt exists forever.

 

[SmilinBob]

If that is what you deciphered from this thread and my post it isn’t worth explaining.

I understand the thread and your post.

I believe you commented on what you thought would attract a coach and I simply commented that if the coach is good the $ support would follow along with SU being an attractive job and why.

 

[dan7800]

Cornell? Colgate? Hamilton? I haven’t heard they are but correct me if I’m wrong.

I would assume every Ivy League/NESCAC school is humming along financially.

I think that every school has been hit. The enrollment dip and the state have made it very hard for private schools.