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Bad Night for bizarro SU "Negatoid" Nation!

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I’m no Pollyanna, but even i can appreciate that the majority here had last nite penciled in as a loss.
L’Ville has owned us and we’re a short handed, limited team this year.
And yet...with one win, suddenly all is NOT lost.
So yes, it was a HUGE win yesterday in that it left us w/ some measure of hope.
And isn’t that what being a fan is all about? Every season, without fail and no matter what the record, i envision SU catching fire and making a run. And fact is, we HAVE pulled it off a few times- been left for dead and yet shocking the world.
Call me crazy, but I’d rather be that irrationally optimistic fan, rather than the kind who’s inclined to look for, and see the worst at all times...especially during the hard times.
JMHO
yeah louisville owned us in the past (as stated above). but HOF pitino is gone. 1st year coach. not the same.
kentucky just lost to tennessee. a win over kentucky this year certainly doesn't hold the same cache it used to.
secondly as a coach playing just one defense and running no offensive sets . no real in game adjustments. plus using just 6 guys and rotating players only as dictated by their foul trouble . hats off to JB. well done.
 
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as to "negatoid " i can conjure up some nasty monikers for those fans with their heads up some coaches butt .
but i won't . not my kind of politics.
 
I was wondering today. Do we think last night was an anomaly, a move in the right direction for SU hoops, or Louisville going in the wrong direction.

It's a move in the right direction - I think playing with a tad more tempo had the players a bit more engaged. They just seemed more aggressive. UL not going zone contributed, but I also think they were pressing to get the ball up court a tad more to exploit the weakness. I'd like to see more of that generally as it likely helps Battle/Howard...and how they go, is pretty much now the team goes.

Either way, fun to see the team score some points!

Louisville...ouch. Wrong direction. Not necessarily because we beat them, just generally a bit weaker than expected this year. Padgett needs to fire Paulus! I'll blame Paulus. I just don't like him.
 
Agree with a lot of that, but your last statement might be what demonstrates the disconnect here.
Maybe The Optimistic really just don't understand how 'the other side' thinks. I don't see it as being "inclined to look for and see the worst at all times." Instead, i think of it as a compulsion toward objectivity, where expressing 'negatives' doesn't damage the overall view. If i love my mother more than anyone in the world, and then in the same breath say she can't drive for $h1t, what's the damage? It reminds me of the 'flag controversy.' Where some people lose their minds when someone expresses anything other than blind idolatry. I would think a mature mind could reconcile that you can love something and not love every aspect of it. And not feel like discussing the parts you don't like has any affect on the balance of it. I would think that it would be recognized by now that all of the people being put into the 'negatatoid' box have been here for years, and are as devoted as anyone else. So, where's the damage? If my Yankee-loving best friend says to me, "the Red Sox suck," wouldn't i have to be some sort of dipstick to freak out about that? Seems to me the only "meltdowns" here involve people trying to separate a fanbase into factions. What's the point? Makes them feel better about what? Being superior fans? Put that on your CV or in your bank account.

Nice win yesterday. I was ambivalent about our chances. Hadn't seen Louisville play this year, so i had no idea about their talent. But, as for them 'owning us,' i kinda dismissed that trend when it was determined Pitino wouldn't be on the bench... When the game began, i saw no reason why we shouldn't have been able to win the game. That said, sure, i was surprised when we actually did win. I call that 'objective.' But, here's the other thing: when you say yesterday's win left us with "some measure of hope," doesn't that imply two things? 1) That hope had waned prior to yesterday's win—which implies you weren't just optimistic by default and without selectivity; and 2) that you are predisposed to want to believe in a win versus the recent ugly loss. I saw the win, and remembered the loss, and so instead of a 'plus' i saw it as 'neutral.' Not a cancelling out of one or the other—just perspective. It meant what it meant, a win but not one that indicated a trend. Not yet.
There is a disconnect, and I think its mostly due to interpretation.
Being optimistic, does not mean one is oblivious to reality. For instance, you love you mother. Its obvious she's not a good driver. So why in heaven's name would you bother to constantly bring that up, in the name of "objectivity"? Objectivity to what? Reality? She doesn't need to keep hearing how much she sucks at driving, and more importantly...you don't need to keep pointing it out to her! That's the difference.
And yes...the Red Sox do suck. ;) But they conquered that whole "objectivity" conundrum once they won the whole enchilada. The Eagles are going through that right now. I can no longer rant on a fan of the Sox or Eagles, in the name of "objectivity" or not, and maintain any credibility. Why? Because its OBVIOUS they don't suck, so, IMO, my rants would be nothing more than an effort to be negative...for the sake of being negative. Another example would be if I said; "Nick Foles is a career back-up who just got lucky". Objective? Maybe. But exactly what purpose does that statement serve? It might even be true...but its unnecessary.
So, let's extrapolate that to this year's team and the program as a whole. Is anyone really in the dark at this point as to why we're facing adversity at SU? Do we really need to keep pointing out how depleted we are...and why, after every loss?
At the beginning of the season, expectations were rock bottom. The difference between the so-called "Negatoid" and the optimist, is that the Negatoid conveniently forgets that fact, and then tries to move the goal-posts.
Suddenly a bad loss is a reflection of JB's coaching prowess, or Hop's departure, or the 2-3 zone, or some other "objective" measure. When realistically, its just that we are, and always were, a flawed team that's fighting tooth and nail to get in the Dance. Nothing more, nothing less.
Granted, being surprised that we beat L'Ville might be seen as an example of my being objective. But again, I came into the season not expecting much. And beating them, Pitino or no Pitino, is a big deal. The fact that it keeps our ultimate hopes alive, something we'd all have gladly signed up for when the season started, only makes things better. That's something to acknowledge & celebrate, not dismiss w/ a "Ho-hum, L'Ville sucks this year so our win doesn't mean much" reaction.
Also, keeping "perspective" by focusing on the losses, has never made much sense to me. I NEVER watch losses on my DVR, especially this late into the season. In my mind its- "So we lost...AND???
Sure, you review the game, wail about FH's turnovers, TB's ball-hogging, and JB's substitution patterns. But...I stop at calling for JB's job, or saying repeatedly that FH is entirely to blame for our defeat, or that Matty Moyer is a scrub...which of course all gets turned around once they rebound and play well the next game. That posture, IMO, speaks of nothing more than being a Negatoid, taking criticism to the highest degree. Looking for the worst, emphasizing the bad, and minimizing the positives is simply not the way I approach being a fan.
Now, I'm not suggesting by any means that my way, or anyone's way is better than another. But, I do reserve the right to call out the excessive, hysterically negative tone that some choose to adopt, because in my mind, it serves little to no purpose. To me, its like a toddler having a temper tantrum...uncomfortable, and unnecessary. JMHO (End Rant)
 
It's a move in the right direction - I think playing with a tad more tempo had the players a bit more engaged. They just seemed more aggressive. UL not going zone contributed, but I also think they were pressing to get the ball up court a tad more to exploit the weakness. I'd like to see more of that generally as it likely helps Battle/Howard...and how they go, is pretty much now the team goes.

Either way, fun to see the team score some points!

Louisville...ouch. Wrong direction. Not necessarily because we beat them, just generally a bit weaker than expected this year. Padgett needs to fire Paulus! I'll blame Paulus. I just don't like him.

Great point about our pace. It was nice to see Frank taking the ball up with more urgency, something I've posted about a few times that could help get us into our offense. We moved the ball a little more crisply too.
 
If you don’t think these “journalists” —- and I use the term advisedly- aren’t trying to bait JB into saying something they can use as a headline, than you don’t get the game that is being played at this or any other press conference.

Seems to me JB is conducting a seminar on how they should ask questions (and not venture their own opinions. Seriously, he ought to charging tuitions.

IMHO he’s doing the students from the DO a huge favor. Positive reinforcement is not the best way to learn.
I couldn't disagree more. Often, JB acts like a bully at these press conferences. I think the reporters take too much crap from him. They should do what needs to be done to any bully. Stand up to him. I have seen when that has happened, JB takes it down a bit. Jb is still suppose to be an educator. And if a educator treated my kid that way, after I have paid 50K for the pleasure, I would have an issue. As for the other reporters, they are just doing their job. Contrary to what you think, local reporters aren't looking for trouble. Just an answer to a question.
 
There is a disconnect, and I think its mostly due to interpretation.
Being optimistic, does not mean one is oblivious to reality. For instance, you love you mother. Its obvious she's not a good driver. So why in heaven's name would you bother to constantly bring that up, in the name of "objectivity"? Objectivity to what? Reality? She doesn't need to keep hearing how much she sucks at driving, and more importantly...you don't need to keep pointing it out to her! That's the difference.
And yes...the Red Sox do suck. ;) But they conquered that whole "objectivity" conundrum once they won the whole enchilada. The Eagles are going through that right now. I can no longer rant on a fan of the Sox or Eagles, in the name of "objectivity" or not, and maintain any credibility. Why? Because its OBVIOUS they don't suck, so, IMO, my rants would be nothing more than an effort to be negative...for the sake of being negative. Another example would be if I said; "Nick Foles is a career back-up who just got lucky". Objective? Maybe. But exactly what purpose does that statement serve? It might even be true...but its unnecessary.
So, let's extrapolate that to this year's team and the program as a whole. Is anyone really in the dark at this point as to why we're facing adversity at SU? Do we really need to keep pointing out how depleted we are...and why, after every loss?
At the beginning of the season, expectations were rock bottom. The difference between the so-called "Negatoid" and the optimist, is that the Negatoid conveniently forgets that fact, and then tries to move the goal-posts.
Suddenly a bad loss is a reflection of JB's coaching prowess, or Hop's departure, or the 2-3 zone, or some other "objective" measure. When realistically, its just that we are, and always were, a flawed team that's fighting tooth and nail to get in the Dance. Nothing more, nothing less.
Granted, being surprised that we beat L'Ville might be seen as an example of my being objective. But again, I came into the season not expecting much. And beating them, Pitino or no Pitino, is a big deal. The fact that it keeps our ultimate hopes alive, something we'd all have gladly signed up for when the season started, only makes things better. That's something to acknowledge & celebrate, not dismiss w/ a "Ho-hum, L'Ville sucks this year so our win doesn't mean much" reaction.
Also, keeping "perspective" by focusing on the losses, has never made much sense to me. I NEVER watch losses on my DVR, especially this late into the season. In my mind its- "So we lost...AND???
Sure, you review the game, wail about FH's turnovers, TB's ball-hogging, and JB's substitution patterns. But...I stop at calling for JB's job, or saying repeatedly that FH is entirely to blame for our defeat, or that Matty Moyer is a scrub...which of course all gets turned around once they rebound and play well the next game. That posture, IMO, speaks of nothing more than being a Negatoid, taking criticism to the highest degree. Looking for the worst, emphasizing the bad, and minimizing the positives is simply not the way I approach being a fan.
Now, I'm not suggesting by any means that my way, or anyone's way is better than another. But, I do reserve the right to call out the excessive, hysterically negative tone that some choose to adopt, because in my mind, it serves little to no purpose. To me, its like a toddler having a temper tantrum...uncomfortable, and unnecessary. JMHO (End Rant)
You would have got a like but you put the Red Sox suck in there.
 
So you are a “huge fan of Jim’s” who thinks he ought to retire? Why do you think he ought to retire sooner rather than later?

And his commitment (or more correctly “the agreed-to plan”) was that he would retire and Hopkins would take over dissolved when Mike decided to take the UW job.

Of course, if you are among those who believe that Boeheim, Hopkins and Wildhack are all lying through their teeth, than I can’t square that with your status as a “big fan”.
Please understand one thing. Your understanding or acceptance of my opinion, views, or statements is irrelevant to me. I find you somewhat intelligent and respect your opinionated stubbornness. In short you entertain me.
 
I couldn't disagree more. Often, JB acts like a bully at these press conferences. I think the reporters take too much crap from him. They should do what needs to be done to any bully. Stand up to him. I have seen when that has happened, JB takes it down a bit. Jb is still suppose to be an educator. And if a educator treated my kid that way, after I have paid 50K for the pleasure, I would have an issue. As for the other reporters, they are just doing their job. Contrary to what you think, local reporters aren't looking for trouble. Just an answer to a question.
I think you have a naive view of the motives of the Press.

I see JB as being put upon by hacks and in the case of the students frequently unprepared hacks.
 
I think you have a naive view of the motives of the Press.

I see JB as being put upon by hacks and in the case of the students frequently unprepared hacks.

You're kind of making him seem worse than he actually is...

Just sayin'
 
I think you have a naive view of the motives of the Press.

I see JB as being put upon by hacks and in the case of the students frequently unprepared hacks.

Townie, over the course of JB's 42 year coaching career, can you give one example of a time when you disagreed with him on something? It could be literally anything.
 
Please understand one thing. Your understanding or acceptance of my opinion, views, or statements is irrelevant to me. I find you somewhat intelligent and respect your opinionated stubbornness. In short you entertain me.
Well, thank goodness for that.

I am crippled in this conversation on here by being an SU fan. I like the teams, the players, the coaches and almost everything associated with them.

I do not get so frustrated that I criticize everything but Otto after a loss or even a couple of losses. And I don’t like it when others do. Especially when that criticism is baseless or unfair or self-aggrandizeing.

The ethic on here seems strangely that everyone is allowed an opinion, but that these opinions shouldn’t be challenged.

I once did criticize a player five or so years ago. Oh yes, and before that I wrote that Nunes just had to stop running away from tacklers in the direction of his own goal line.
 
Townie, over the course of JB's 42 year coaching career, can you give one example of a time when you disagreed with him on something? It could be literally anything.
So you want to shift the conversation to things JB has done wrong in 42 years. That is, on the basis of hindsight?

Why should I do that. Other than to give an excuse?

One of my sons father-in-laws is a big SLU basketball supporter. At one of the meetings, the then coach Rick Majerus, told the small group of major financial contributors that in his mind Boeheim was the smartest, most cerebral coach in the game. The father-in-law told me about this. And I think Majerus was and Coach K, who also shares this opinion, are credible sources.

So when I read on here that random fan posting from some frozen Burgh in CNY has discovered the flaw in JB’s strategy or tactics, I then need to decide who is credible.

It’s pretty easy to do.
 
It seems to me a certain poster on here never actually gives his own insights into the basketball team, never speaks in specifics about the players, games, strategy, etc. The only thing he does is defend JB. Perhaps (as he slams other posters and says they have no right to question JB) it is because he has zero basketball knowledge himself.
 
Alas, I sense the sun may be setting on this thread, and with it pearl31's dream of a 20-pager.
 
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