baylor's offense might be the best ever

[Alsacs]

Baylor's coach Art Briles is the former President of Texas High School Coaches Association and he has all the contacts he need in Texas and uses Baylor's first rate track program to recruit speed. The key to college football is speed because talent is different in the college football between the NFL where everybody is close to each other athletically that Briles recruits speed and his offense is crazy. When they play good fast defenses they will score in 30s which is good but its not ungodly. That is why SU needs as much team speed as it can get.

 

[Millhouse]

Eh. I'd rather watch a grind it out game like Bama-LSU the last few years than Baylor score 70+ on WVU. Fluck the Big12.

Bama and LSU aren't even grinding it out anymore. Lot more shootouts than we used to see.

 

[Millhouse]

Baylor's coach Art Briles is the former President of Texas High School Coaches Association and he has all the contacts he need in Texas and uses Baylor's first rate track program to recruit speed. The key to college football is speed because talent is different in the college football between the NFL where everybody is close to each other athletically that Briles recruits speed and his offense is crazy. When they play good fast defenses they will score in 30s which is good but its not ungodly. That is why SU needs as much team speed as it can get.

has baylor just gotten good in track?

 

[upperdeck]

They looked pretty avg against KSU.. Couldn't run at all. 3 huge pass plays was all the offense they had but it was enough to win. lucky for them KSU has no offense either.

 

[Millhouse]

They looked pretty avg against KSU.. Couldn't run at all. 3 huge pass plays was all the offense they had but it was enough to win. lucky for them KSU has no offense either.

if you take away the plays that gain lots of yardage, lots of offenses look average. why would you take away big plays?

syracuse's running game was average too. all those big runs and whatnot

 

[upperdeck]

you take away our 3 biggest runs and we lose half as many yds as their 3 biggest plays. Big plays are great when they come because of what you do right and not what the D does wrong.. Clemson looked great passing when we didnt cover anyone, no so great when BC didnt screw up play after play. a well blocked play usually requires almost the whole team to make a run work, a pass play can work with one guy on D failing.

you watch Baylor and you see they rely almost all on speed and very little on play design. teams like ours break down a lot of bad things happen. Better teams on D dont do that and they will struggle as they did against KSU.

but hey i would trade for their team speed any day

 

[CuseCactus]

Baylor is a paper tiger. Really fun to watch though. They may just skate through a fairly light schedule and emerge as a participant in the NC game - which would be a train wreck. Similar to ND/Bama. The Big 12 is a wasteland this year. Texas may just run the table in that league - after losing badly to BYU and Miss.

 

[Millhouse]

you take away our 3 biggest runs and we lose half as many yds as their 3 biggest plays. Big plays are great when they come because of what you do right and not what the D does wrong.. Clemson looked great passing when we didnt cover anyone, no so great when BC didnt screw up play after play. a well blocked play usually requires almost the whole team to make a run work, a pass play can work with one guy on D failing.

you watch Baylor and you see they rely almost all on speed and very little on play design. teams like ours break down a lot of bad things happen. Better teams on D dont do that and they will struggle as they did against KSU.

but hey i would trade for their team speed any day

They didn't struggle against KSU

they only struggle in your alternate reality where you get to imagine big plays we should've made and dismiss the big plays that someone else did make

you do realize that when you get a long TD in 1 play, you don't get to run any more plays until you get the ball back?

the 1927 yankees probably weren't great at small ball either

 

[upperdeck]

they had 400 yds off offense . did you watch the game.. 220 on the 3 passes for touchdown. the other nine drives went on avg 20 yds and that includes the first 60 yd drive they scored on.
7 times they didnt cross outside their own 40. KSU was much the better team for 90% of that game.. but a couple times the baylor speed made plays. they had half as many yds and points as previous games is that not a struggle for them?

the reality is that big plays are made because someone screws up or someone makes a play or because of execution.

clemson had big plays against us, one was speed, 2 were our fault and one was executed well.

 

[Millhouse]

they had 400 yds off offense . did you watch the game.. 220 on the 3 passes for touchdown. the other nine drives went on avg 20 yds and that includes the first 60 yd drive they scored on.
7 times they didnt cross outside their own 40. KSU was much the better team for 90% of that game.. but a couple times the baylor speed made plays. they had half as many yds and points as previous games is that not a struggle for them?

the reality is that big plays are made because someone screws up or someone makes a play or because of execution.

clemson had big plays against us, one was speed, 2 were our fault and one was executed well.

450 yards and 35 points is not struggling.

if your point is that can be considered struggling relative to their other games, well, yeah, because they're the best offense ever.

 

[NineOneSeven]

they had 400 yds off offense . did you watch the game.. 220 on the 3 passes for touchdown. the other nine drives went on avg 20 yds and that includes the first 60 yd drive they scored on.
7 times they didnt cross outside their own 40. KSU was much the better team for 90% of that game.. but a couple times the baylor speed made plays. they had half as many yds and points as previous games is that not a struggle for them?

the reality is that big plays are made because someone screws up or someone makes a play or because of execution.

clemson had big plays against us, one was speed, 2 were our fault and one was executed well.[/quote]

I would love for you to break them down. Which was which?

 

[Alsacs]

has baylor just gotten good in track?

Baylor has always had a good track program and has produced a lot of US Olympians sprinters. Michael Johnson of the 200m and 400m fame at the 1996 Olympics is a Baylor track alum. It helps Baylor get good WR prospects. We are both going after Randall Cunningham II and he is probably going to go Baylor or LSU because they both have elite track programs to go with football.

 

[Millhouse]

Baylor has always had a good track program and has produced a lot of US Olympians sprinters. Michael Johnson of the 200m and 400m fame at the 1996 Olympics is a Baylor track alum. It helps Baylor get good WR prospects. We are both going after Randall Cunningham II and he is probably going to go Baylor or LSU because they both have elite track programs to go with football.

thanks. i figured. dinosaurs want to pretend like briles is just in a great situation even though baylor has always stunk at football even though they're always good at track. it can't be that he is innovative.

 

[CIL]

I understand what you are saying Milly -- Baylor is a blast to watch. However, Alsacs made a great point about Baylor's ability to recruit speed and talent on offense. Baylor has some really good players out there too. That offense with RGIII, Josh Gordon, Kendaal Wright, and Terrance Williams was ridiculous. It's not just the system, it's the unreal talent that system has to offer as well. Holgroson's offense at Okie St was great, but he also had electrifying talents like Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon, Brandon Pettigrew, and Russell Okong to work with. The spread is lethal with speed.

I'm a firm believer that speed in college football trumps everything else. A school like Wiscy is averaging almost 8 yards a play and 7 yards a rush on the backs of two fast flying running backs (wish we could have had James White here). I really hope Gmac gets a couple years here. I understand his thoughts about getting the ball to your playmakers in space. We just happen to be a wee bit short in the playmaker department. Good news is he's a good enough recruiter to get them here.

 

[Millhouse]

I understand what you are saying Milly -- Baylor is a blast to watch. However, Alsacs made a great point about Baylor's ability to recruit speed and talent on offense. Baylor has some really good players out there too. That offense with RGIII, Josh Gordon, Kendaal Wright, and Terrance Williams was ridiculous. It's not just the system, it's the unreal talent that system has to offer as well. Holgroson's offense at Okie St was great, but he also had electrifying talents like Dez Bryant, Justin Blackmon, Brandon Pettigrew, and Russell Okong to work with. The spread is lethal with speed.

I'm a firm believer that speed in college football trumps everything else. A school like Wiscy is averaging almost 8 yards a play and 7 yards a rush on the backs of two fast flying running backs (wish we could have had James White here). I really hope Gmac gets a couple years here. I understand his thoughts about getting the ball to your playmakers in space. We just happen to be a wee bit short in the playmaker department. Good news is he's a good enough recruiter to get them here.

Baylor's track team didn't do much for them for years. Why is that?

Why is Briles even the coach at Baylor? Did his high school team get faster right when he got there? Did Houston?

Every team he coaches sucks before he gets there. He's just lucky, I guess

Baylors offense has gotten better after RGIII left.

Speed is a pre-requisite for any good offense, it's nuts that meatheads dismiss the offense because griffin was a good hurdler

 

[javadoc]

Baylor's track team didn't do much for them for years. Why is that?

Why is Briles even the coach at Baylor? Did his high school team get faster right when he got there? Did Houston?

Every team he coaches sucks before he gets there. He's just lucky, I guess

Baylors offense has gotten better after RGIII left.

Speed is a pre-requisite for any good offense, it's nuts that meatheads dismiss the offense because griffin was a good hurdler

Could we run it successfully this year?

 

[Millhouse]

Could we run it successfully this year?

Yes?

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[Chip]

450 yards and 35 points is not struggling.

if you're point is that can be considered struggling relative to their other games, well, yeah, because they're the best offense ever.

Oregon's bad day was 380 yards and 55 points in a driving rainstorm.

I'm not ready to concede Baylor is better yet. But both are making 450 yards look Pariani-ish.

 

[CIL]

Baylor's track team didn't do much for them for years. Why is that?

Why is Briles even the coach at Baylor? Did his high school team get faster right when he got there? Did Houston?

Every team he coaches sucks before he gets there. He's just lucky, I guess

Baylors offense has gotten better after RGIII left.

Speed is a pre-requisite for any good offense, it's nuts that meatheads dismiss the offense because griffin was a good hurdler

I understand it is in your internet DNA to become defensive and dismissive when there is a poster who disagrees with your point of view (which I am not in this thread BTW). Briles is a damn good football coach. Briles is also a damn good recruiter who has identified elite athletes that work well within his system. However, I think it is rather "meatheadish" of you to believe that it is a system, or any system that makes a team good, regardless of the players within that system. It is absolutely the talent within said system that allows any system to flourish.

Baylor's numbers have gotten better. However, there are probably 3-4 first round picks starting on that offense as we speak. Bryce Petty is on draft boards as a first to second round pick. Seastrunk was an all world recruit who is a projected first round pick. They also have surefire first round pick in Richardson and potential freak first rounder in Drango on the line. Point is is that they have a very good system that is being run with elite NFL caliber athletes. Not to mention their previous installments that featured 3 wideouts all taken within the first 3 rounds and an all-pro QB.

Fot every "non-meathead" HC/OC I can show you a "non-meathead" struggling HC or OC. Leach's offense is currently averaging less than ours at Washington St. Skullet is even worse. Brian Kelly even worse than that. Did these three lose the ability to coach overnight? Maybe they started started lifting weights and taking creatine! Damn meatheads! Meanwhile Coley's offense at Miami is running a relatively pro style set to a whopping almost 8 yards a play, good almost up there with Oregon and Baylor.

 

[Millhouse]

I understand it is in your internet DNA to become defensive and dismissive when there is a poster who disagrees with your point of view (which I am not in this thread BTW). Briles is a damn good football coach. Briles is also a damn good recruiter who has identified elite athletes that work well within his system. However, I think it is rather "meatheadish" of you to believe that it is a system, or any system that makes a team good, regardless of the players within that system. It is absolutely the talent within said system that allows any system to flourish.

Baylor's numbers have gotten better. However, there are probably 3-4 first round picks starting on that offense as we speak. Bryce Petty is on draft boards as a first to second round pick. Seastrunk was an all world recruit who is a projected first round pick. They also have surefire first round pick in Richardson and potential freak first rounder in Drango on the line. Point is is that they have a very good system that is being run with elite NFL caliber athletes. Not to mention their previous installments that featured 3 wideouts all taken within the first 3 rounds and an all-pro QB.

Fot every "non-meathead" HC/OC I can show you a "non-meathead" struggling HC or OC. Leach's offense is currently averaging less than ours at Washington St. Skullet is even worse. Brian Kelly even worse than that. Did these three lose the ability to coach overnight? Maybe they started started lifting weights and taking creatine! Damn meatheads! Meanwhile Coley's offense at Miami is running a relatively pro style set to a whopping almost 8 yards a play, good almost up there with Oregon and Baylor.

"However, I think it is rather "meatheadish" of you to believe that it is a system, or any system that makes a team good, regardless of the players within that system. "

What part of "Speed is a pre-requisite for any good offense" didn't you understand?

You talk like his system and his recruiting are independent of each other. They are not. How do you think they would recruit with Michigan's offense?

He went to a school in a fast state with a good track team that sucked forever, made them good really fast, started recruiting well because kids like his offense, put up the best numbers ever and your response is that Holgorson is having a down year?

You cherry pick the worst years for leach and holgorsen, we would've taken offense like that just about every year the last decade except for last year

AHA spread guys that GASP have an average offense once in a while! heavens to betsy

I'm trying to think of the natural experiment that would convince you and upperdeck that briles has a better scheme than other coaches.

I'm thinking he'd need to go to alaska with a bunch of spherical nanooks and score at will but not with big plays and not with too many plays, with just right plays. The scheme needs to be really good at rolling up yards but it can't be appealing to fast guys nuh uh

 

[CIL]

"However, I think it is rather "meatheadish" of you to believe that it is a system, or any system that makes a team good, regardless of the players within that system. "

What part of "Speed is a pre-requisite for any good offense" didn't you understand?

You talk like his system and his recruiting are independent of each other. They are not. How do you think they would recruit with Michigan's offense?

He went to a school in a fast state with a good track team that sucked forever, made them good really fast, started recruiting well because kids like his offense, put up the best numbers ever and your response is that Holgorson is having a down year?

You cherry pick the worst years for leach and holgorsen, we would've taken offense like that just about every year the last decade except for last year

AHA spread guys that GASP have an average offense once in a while! heavens to betsy

I'm trying to think of the natural experiment that would convince you and upperdeck that briles has a better scheme than other coaches.

I'm thinking he'd need to go to alaska with a bunch of spherical nanooks and score at will but not with big plays and not with too many plays, with just right plays. The scheme needs to be really good at rolling up yards but it can't be appealing to fast guys nuh uh

I will take a page from your playbook and say this -- you should work on your reading comprehension. Did system 1 just replace a difficult question with about 3 simple ones up there (come on, that was funny).

You most certainly are smart enough to know that my response wasn't "Holgorsen is having a down year". Hopefully you understood the point that Holgorsen is having a difficult year because he is replacing a starting NFL QB, first round pick, and third round pick on offense. In other words, he is replacing a boatload of TALENT. Mike Leach didn't have a ton of talent to work with these last two years a Wazzou St, and his numbers reflect it. There's plenty of shitty spread offenses too.

Briles is an excellent recruiter and an excellent football mind. I am 100% in agreement with you on this. I do not agree with the fact that you have to run a spread offense to have a dynamic offense.

 

[syr02esq]

Baylor's coach Art Briles is the former President of Texas High School Coaches Association and he has all the contacts he need in Texas and uses Baylor's first rate track program to recruit speed. The key to college football is speed because talent is different in the college football between the NFL where everybody is close to each other athletically that Briles recruits speed and his offense is crazy. When they play good fast defenses they will score in 30s which is good but its not ungodly. That is why SU needs as much team speed as it can get.

Baylor also has incredible speed on defense. Phil Steele has recruited speed, speed and more speed on the defense which is absolutely necessary in spread type, pass happy offenses in the Big 12.

 

[syr02esq]

has baylor just gotten good in track?

Don't forget Michael Johnson came from there (gold Nike shoes). Baylor boasts over 600 All Americans. http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools..._pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/13-TF-Almanac.pdf

 

[syr02esq]

They looked pretty avg against KSU.. Couldn't run at all. 3 huge pass plays was all the offense they had but it was enough to win. lucky for them KSU has no offense either.

If scoring 35 points is considered average, I will take that every time!

 

[syr02esq]

Baylor is a paper tiger. Really fun to watch though. They may just skate through a fairly light schedule and emerge as a participant in the NC game - which would be a train wreck. Similar to ND/Bama. The Big 12 is a wasteland this year. Texas may just run the table in that league - after losing badly to BYU and Miss.

Baylor is a paper tiger? I think your view is at odds with objective reality.