BC Irrelevancy

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  1. HSPORANGE

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    This is pretty much the definition of bandwagon. Fans stopped going because they were brutal and I can't say I blame them (some fan bases go no matter how bad their team is similar to Green Bay/Buffalo/Chicago/etc). And of course they have been selling out and creating sth waiting list since Parcells as the team has been very good and competitive.

    You put the Patriot fans as the gold bar for Boston sports fans and I would disagree. I would say The Red Sox and B's have a more loyal fan bases as they seem to show up good or bad. Not overly familiar with Celtics.

    I fully understand the CT stadium saga was about public funds.

    I guess time will tell how the sth lists and stadium looks after Brady/Belichek retire.
     
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  2. CousCuse

    CousCuse Coach Mac Forever

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    I think
    This is the reason I pull for UMASS and all the Northeast teams as I think more and better teams will spur more interest. Competition is good. Also, I think SU has its own problems to worry about and don't have any room to criticize other programs. Old Dominion is as good as MTSU.
     
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    I didn't put them as the gold standard.
    I put them first because the Patriots are the most popular team by miles.

    Also Red Sox fans are very bandwagon google pink hats.

    Patriots were bad from 1988-1992 so yeah they were technically sold out but nobody went.
     
  4. elimunelson

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    That's our plan right now too. Until this offense is capable of knocking off FSU/Clemson/Louisville and we start each season with reasonable scenarios where we can point to those games as Ws, this schedule will perpetually be one w 3 losses out of the gate. That's a tough road for a team from the Northeast.

    BC was lucky by getting good in the late 2000s with Bobby Bowden losing it at the end, Clemson not having Dabo yet, etc. It can happen again but right now it's tough sledding.
     
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  5. RandomGuy

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    If bc was relevant nationally, they'd still be fairly irrelevant in Boston.

    If bill belichick and Tom Brady decided to be head/QB coach for bc next year? They'd be relevant for a couple games. If they recruited Jesus Khrist at qb, with a perfect QB rating, and 110% completion rate on hail Marys? That wouldn't do it. If he changed the water into wine? Definitely a 2 game bump. Until they changed the name on the uniform to "Patriots" no more would come. And then they'd ask who are all these teams I've never heard of playing the Patriots?

    That's how irrelevant I believe bc football is to Boston. Ohh. And I don't even need a car to get to the stadium.
     
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  6. tep624

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    Just going to throw it out there - playing teams like Clemson really doesn't do a whole lot for me other than having the opportunity to beat a ranked team just like any other ranked team. The Northeast independents as a whole that are now part of the expanded ACC have unquestionably lost identity and it's probably the worst for BC being off on an island of their own in New England.

    Aligning the divisions in the ACC based on geography and history would add some significance to the games as it exists now. The problem we have is a lack of historical northern independents to round out an 8 team division. Which ultimately leads to the Notre Dame question once again.

    I wish we had this:

    ACC North
    BC
    Louisville
    Pitt
    Syracuse
    Miami
    Virginia Tech
    West Virginia
    Notre Dame


    ACC South
    Clemson
    Duke
    Florida State
    Wake Forest
    Georgia Tech
    NC St.
    North Carolina
    Virginia
     
  7. NKR1978

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    They can call themselves the New England Patriots.
     
  8. TexanMark

    TexanMark Tailgating Guru

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    The only way is to get a Duke/UNC/Miami and give up FSU/NCSt/Wake

    OOC games are important. UConn should be on the schedule almost every year. Throw in Temple/Army/Navy/Rutgers often Play Ohio/MI based MAC teams.

    We need almost 3 automatic OOC wins.
     
  9. TheCusian

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    OrangeDW said: "Eh. He might upgrade their talent some, but he'll keep them playing meathead ball and he's not a good gameday coach. Scheduling 4 scrub team and winning a couple conference games in a much weaker league than the ACC, doesn't have me all that impressed or worried."

    I said that's the Addazzio plan...

    We currently don't play 4 scrub teams in OOC, meathead ball, and seem to have a pretty good gameday coach. BC scheduled themselves a bowl game last year. Addazzio is what you see when you look up meathead in the dictionary. To his credit he's played good teams tight and won some too.

    But give me an easier OOC and an exciting offense over what BC does all day, every day.
     
  10. TheCusian

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    I get it - people want the BE with ACC money. Not going to happen in a million years.
     
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    Growing up in the Northeast I had several friends who went to Georgetown, UConn, Villanova, Boston College, and Rutgers. The sports season provided a reason to reconnect. When we played those teams in sports it was nice to beat them because there was the trash talking element of it. I do not know anyone who went to NC State, UNC, Clemson, Florida State, etc. I think it definitely takes something away when you don't have connections with alumni from those schools.
     
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  12. W'boro'Cuse315

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    Is this serious or hyperbole? Genuinely interested.
     
  13. RandomGuy

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    When they walk out of the locker room(non stadium side), they are instantly greeted with a big orange SYRACUSE sign. Counts down days, hours, minutes.(set hundreds of days in advance). They see it every day. Coaches and players? They care enough about that game to remind themselves of it. Every day.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but looks like they take cuse very seriously. It's the only non-bc sign in the building.(afaik)
     
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    Wow.
     
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    gbo Resident Clemson Fan

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  16. elimunelson

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    it's an issue for sure. Rutgers/Uconn are our peers, not NC State and Clemson. It's a weird shotgun marriage that was 100% money driven. I am ok w it b/c I sold my soul for having a seat at the table for conference realignment. There's a reason guys like Jake Crouthamel and Jim Boeheim were reluctant to be gung ho for it. They were pioneers of the eastern seaboard football/basketball model.
     
  17. RandomGuy

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    Yeah. UMass board voted on ceasing fbs football last year... Football continued by a small margin. 5 or 6,000 at Gillette is not good... I hope they figure it out.
     
  18. HSPORANGE

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    I'm curious as to why you think Butgers/Uconn are our peers? I understand why NC ST and Clemson are not. Are you basing it just on being in the NE? I would view BC/Miami/WFmore as peers as they are private schools and not public. Boeheim is always reluctant to change and Jake was a dinosaur.
     
  19. CuseCactus

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    I'd say UConn was a peer. No longer - they are fading. Just by virtue of geography and membership in the Big10 Rutgers is absolutely a peer - along with Wake, Pitt, BC, Duke, and other 2nd tier football schools. Miami seems to be moving back into upper echelon status. Frankly, we had a brief period where we were Miami's peer in the 90's. I expect our record against them is lopsided - maybe 2 or 3 wins on our side of the ledger?
     
  20. CousCuse

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    Their defense played strong against ODU but their best offensive player, NFL prospect TE Brennan was out. There is still some chance they can turn it around this season.
     
  21. RandomGuy

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    I believe Brennan is ranked #1 TE prospect in the country. However, I was referring to their viability in the fbs. I thought they failed their fbs attendance minimums... Like BC, no one cares much about college football...
     
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    yeah, between the losing and old man Wirtz keeping all of their games off free TV back then, it was a PR nightmare.
     
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    Breneman was a huge recruit at PSU. Top 100 national recruit. Early commit to PSU along with Hackenberg and both stuck with PSU even after the sanctions were announced and most of their recruiting class bailed. Quit football for a while after injuries and then reappeared at UMASS. Definite NFL prospect now.

    UMASS has done a good job bringing in Northeast kids that are bouncebacks from P5 programs or who decommitted/had scholarships pulled for one reason or another. Just doesn't look like it's coming together on the field for them unfortunately.
     
  24. elimunelson

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    sure throw BC in there as well and WF, Maryland, etc. I'm not saying only those schools but we are certainly aligned w UConn and Rutgers more than the southern schools. Am I crazy to say that? I feel like i'm watching a product that everyone else is not seeing. We are a very very very mediocre football program going on about 14 years now. Our peers are northeast schools that you would perceive as mediocre (over a period of 17 years). BC you could argue is heads and shoulders above us since they had a really nice run recently.

    We aren't peers with WVU/Penn ST/VATech and probably Pitt. The first 3 are glaringly obvious and Pitt, who seems to have a new coach every time I change my oil seem to be bowling every year (14 out of the last 17 years).

    All i'm saying is we aren't that good and we should look down on any program. Who we play on a yearly basis will help us get out of this rut, in my opinion.
     
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  25. shantydaze

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    As someone from the Midwest, I am far from a traditionalist when it comes Northeast football. My first SU game was at the Orange Bowl in 1993 as a University of Miami student. I transferred to the University of Wisconsin and did not give much thought to SU football until becoming a student in 1997. The first game was my new school (SU) giving the school I just graduated from (UW) a beat down at the Meadowlands. I was lucky as two of my three years on the Hill coincided with McNabb's time.

    One of the things that struck me was the lack of a specific rival in football; one that both fan bases acknowledged. Miami had FSU, Wisconsin had Minnesota. Syracuse had ? Perhaps it was because I was no longer an undergrad and I was out of the loop, but it did not seem there was one school on the schedule ever year we looked forward to playing and beating. Could Boston College be that team? Maybe. Both schools draw from the same regions. I just have a had hard time getting excited about BC.

    Not to be blasphemous, but the basketball games I always looked forward to were not Georgetown, rather, it was UConn. The dislike I had for UConn basketball bled over to football once UConn joined the Big East. I thought SU/UConn was turning into a pretty good rivalry (it least in my own mind) before the implosion of the league. This is one of the reasons I am an outlier here and would not mind seeing UConn joining the ACC.

    Not that we would ever be its first and most important rival, but for the same reasons, I would love to be in the same division as Duke. Based on the schools recent battles in basketball, I think the fan bases could develop a wonderful dislike for each other in all sports, including lacrosse. I am not sure there is another team in the ACC currently that I would like to see SU play on an annual basis. Duke is a team we should be competitive with in football, is a peer of SU, and is a game I think could get the fan base excited.
     
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