BC Part II Post Game

[djcon57]

Right, but my question on that particular situation—if you try to fight through, over the top of the screen, on a play where the opposition has to have a three to tie or win, doesn’t that increase your likelihood of fouling on the attempt? This either giving them three FTs or an and-one four point opportunity?

I agree that we’re horrible at defense through screens. HORRIBLE. But if there’s one situation to not go over, it may have been that one. I’d rather have had Lucas on the target from the start, and then a switch if necessary, when there was no time to pass off.

But I dunno—I defer…. Anyone?

Eddie should have been the one to foul. Instead he was at the foul line guarding no one

of course, a better question is why the hell is Eddie in the game to begin with

 

[Dcuse]

JJ should have fouled the inbounder immediately. You can even let the ref know before he puts the ball in play so that he’ll see it. You could have fried an egg on my head when that kid got a clean look from 3 in that situation. What ended up happening was indefensible.

 

[LAorange44]

Man. I saw some Dome photos on IG. The renovations, new seats, and video board look spectacular in a way that doesn’t carry over on the tv games. Really good work. Just wish we were packing them in and getting the dome rocking.

 

[sufan59]

Man. I saw some Dome photos on IG. The renovations, new seats, and video board look spectacular in a way that doesn’t carry over on the tv games. Really good work. Just wish we were packing them in and getting the dome rocking.

With renovations. We really do have a nice, high tech, and comfortable facility for all sports. Amongst the nicest in the conference and country.

 

[capeorange]

The acc is terrible.

And we're 4th from the bottom

 

[capeorange]

Donald Hand Jr. was 91% at the line coming into today and went 3-8 from the line.

Can someone better at math than me tell us what the statistical probability is of that happening?

²∑∛Σ³91٪÷opened dome doors ∛∅β+*@²³~¼= slim to none

Hope this helps.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[richmondcuse03]

I worry the coaching is Grob-era bad. I really like Red. I want him to win. But there are some fundamental mistakes that keep happening that give me great concern about his ability to turn it around. He needs to be humble and acknowledge where he's failing and either bring in the outside help and listen, or he's going to fail.

 

[Eric15]

²∑∛Σ³91٪÷opened dome doors ∛∅β+*@²³~¼= slim to none

Hope this helps.

Extremely helpful. Thank you.

 

[CuseFan]

Even if JJ fouled the ballhandler trying to force through the screen by going over the screen (as he was supposed to per Red), that would have been ok. Giving up 2 free throws is a lot better than an open 3 pointer.

 

[007]

Right, but my question on that particular situation—if you try to fight through, over the top of the screen, on a play where the opposition has to have a three to tie or win, doesn’t that increase your likelihood of fouling on the attempt? This either giving them three FTs or an and-one four point opportunity?

I agree that we’re horrible at defense through screens. HORRIBLE. But if there’s one situation to not go over, it may have been that one. I’d rather have had Lucas on the target from the start, and then a switch if necessary, when there was no time to pass off.

But I dunno—I defer…. Anyone?

No. You are always taught to fight over the screen whenever you can, especially in that situation (guarding against a 3). You need to stay tied to the shooter and in his face.The fact that the plan was to foul before the shot made it even more imperative to fight over the screen. Any space, as we saw, will give the shooter a clean look.

Fighting over screens is a basic foundational principle of every M2M concept. Hedging on ball screens (done by the defender whose man set the screen, for those who don't know), is a somewhat more complex and aggressive concept. But it is an extension of the same basic principle - fighting over screens.

 

[cusefan88]

I worry the coaching is Grob-era bad. I really like Red. I want him to win. But there are some fundamental mistakes that keep happening that give me great concern about his ability to turn it around. He needs to be humble and acknowledge where he's failing and either bring in the outside help and listen, or he's going to fail.

If they just committed to fighting over screens and having help defense rotations, the defense would improve a ton. He's failing at so many basic things and I hope he knows that even if he won't say it publicly.

 

[Irishsecra1]

He can be a pouty baby at times, but maybe the team didn’t want him there.

Frankly, I assumed he wasn’t there so he wouldn’t take attention away from Danforth.

 

[tptcuse]

No. You are always taught to fight over the screen whenever you can, especially in that situation (guarding against a 3). You need to stay tied to the shooter and in his face.The fact that the plan was to foul before the shot made it even more imperative to fight over the screen. Any space, as we saw, will give the shooter a clean look.

Fighting over screens is a basic foundational principle of every M2M concept. Hedging on ball screens (done by the defender whose man set the screen, for those who don't know), is a somewhat more complex and aggressive concept. But it is an extension of the same basic principle - fighting over screens.

And in this case it would have almost definitely been called an illegal screen against BC if JJ ran into him, as the BC player was definitely moving.

 

[PoppyHart]

Donald Hand Jr. was 91% at the line coming into today and went 3-8 from the line.

Can someone better at math than me tell us what the statistical probability is of that happening?

About the same as this guy hitting 8 out of 8.

 

[RF2044]

No. You are always taught to fight over the screen whenever you can, especially in that situation (guarding against a 3). You need to stay tied to the shooter and in his face.The fact that the plan was to foul before the shot made it even more imperative to fight over the screen. Any space, as we saw, will give the shooter a clean look.

Fighting over screens is a basic foundational principle of every M2M concept. Hedging on ball screens (done by the defender whose man set the screen, for those who don't know), is a somewhat more complex and aggressive concept. But it is an extension of the same basic principle - fighting over screens.

Agree 100%

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Even if JJ fouled the ballhandler trying to force through the screen by going over the screen (as he was supposed to per Red), that would have been ok. Giving up 2 free throws is a lot better than an open 3 pointer.

My doomsday scenario was specifically about accidentally fouling on a 3pt shot.

 

[Cheriehoop]

My doomsday scenario was specifically about accidentally fouling on a 3pt shot.

Mine too - didn’t expect a wide open 3 - I was worried about a late running at them close out.

 

[jncuse]

Houston and BC, basically same teams

You missed their point entirely. The point was Syracuse=Kansas.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Fly Rodder]

I am a basketball fan and played competitively only until my high school's freshman team. I do not know a lot of intricate offensive and defensive details but what does "he went under the screen" mean. I know what a screen is but what should have JJ done instead of going "under the screen." Can someone explain "under the screen" and what JJ should have done instead?

This isn't a perfect diagram, but basically player 1 has the ball and x1 is the defender. An offensive player sets the screen, the ball handler goes past him and the x1 defender goes under the screen (towards the free throw line). When that happens, Player 1 then has enough space to take a shot at the point of the screen. Player x1 should go over the screener, outside the three point line and push his man out and keep him close enough to contest an open look.

 

[Eric15]

I rewatched the highlights. For whatever it’s worth, I think Carlos made the biggest shot of the game. We were down 7 in 2OT with two minutes left and multiple people in the game thread declared the game was over. We were desperate for a basket. He absorbed a lot of contact and made a tough layup that possibly should have been an And 1. We probably lose if that doesn’t go in.

 

[upperdeck]

Its not about fighting over the screen.. Its about why did JJ leave the guy so that he had a screen to fight over?

if JJ goes over the screen he has any even easier 3 pt shot given where the ball was inbounded. There is no going over the screen on this. going under forced a longer shot. if he tries to go over the guy gets all the way to the top of the Key. Now maybe you dont play lampkin and try to get a quicker quy so he actually is within 20ft of the ball so a switch could happen.

 

[phil77]

Its not about fighting over the screen.. Its about why did JJ leave the guy so that he had a screen to fight over?

if JJ goes over the screen he has any even easier 3 pt shot given where the ball was inbounded. There is no going over the screen on this. going under forced a longer shot. if he tries to go over the guy gets all the way to the top of the Key. Now maybe you dont play lampkin and try to get a quicker quy so he actually is within 20ft of the ball so a switch could happen. View attachment 249503

4 massive problems by Red before the ball is even thrown in bounds:

JJ is already out of position.
Eddie is out of position.
Eddie shouldn't be in the game period.
Your best wing defender (Taylor) isn't even in the game.

 

[ROCcuse]

Its not about fighting over the screen.. Its about why did JJ leave the guy so that he had a screen to fight over?

if JJ goes over the screen he has any even easier 3 pt shot given where the ball was inbounded. There is no going over the screen on this. going under forced a longer shot. if he tries to go over the guy gets all the way to the top of the Key. Now maybe you dont play lampkin and try to get a quicker quy so he actually is within 20ft of the ball so a switch could happen. View attachment 249503

Great screen shot.

Couldn't watch the game and haven't read full thread but the biggest thing I don't understand is JJ's positioning to start this inbounds.

He is positioned to prevent an easy pass along the arc in front of the BC bench ONLY.
You trust your teammates to follow their man and defend that corner.

Why wouldn't he be almost parallel to the inbounder with his hands up, cutting off the most space at the top of the arc, and angled to prevent a however unlikely cross court pass.
They needed a three...

Plus, he'd be in position to seal/follow the inbounder after whatever pass and move he did make.