BC Part II Post Game

[Dinkyspond]

I am a basketball fan and played competitively only until my high school's freshman team. I do not know a lot of intricate offensive and defensive details but what does "he went under the screen" mean. I know what a screen is but what should have JJ done instead of going "under the screen." Can someone explain "under the screen" and what JJ should have done instead?

 

[RF2044]

I am a basketball fan and played competitively only until my high school's freshman team. I do not know a lot of intricate offensive and defensive details but what does "he went under the screen" mean. I know what a screen is but what should have JJ done instead of going "under the screen." Can someone explain "under the screen" and what JJ should have done instead?

When an offensive sets a screen, the defender [who is blocked] has two choices. They can try to go around, and stay with their man. But that usually enables the offensive player to get separation, because the defender has to get past the screener to stick with their guy. This is possible -- sometimes defenders slide through before the screen gets set cleanly, or they fight their way through despite being "picked."

Or, the defensive player can go "underneath the screen." That is, instead of going around, I cut below the screen and pick up the offensive player on the other side. That usually works best when the offensive player is not looking for a jump shot. Because if you go underneath, the screener creates space for the player you were defending "behind" them, giving them a wide open look.

Now, there are also variations of how to attack it. Players can switch, so the screener's defender can try to pick up on the offensive player who goes around the screen, and the defender who got screened takes the screener [for example].

But the bottom line is that the team is coached to do things a certain way, so that there is no UNCERTAINTY about what to do, whether to switch, etc.

We made a dumb mistake, giving a hot offensive player a wide open three at the end of regulation by blowing how we defended that play.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

When an offensive sets a screen, the defender [who is blocked] has two choices. They can try to go around, and stay with their man. But that usually enables the offensive player to get separation, because the defender has to get past the screener to stick with their guy. This is possible -- sometimes defenders slide through before the screen gets set cleanly, or they fight their way through despite being "picked."

Or, the defensive player can go "underneath the screen." That is, instead of going around, I cut below the screen and pick up the offensive player on the other side. That usually works best when the offensive player is not looking for a jump shot. Because if you go underneath, the screener creates space for the player you were defending "behind" them, giving them a wide open look.

Now, there are also variations of how to attack it. Players can switch, so the screener's defender can try to pick up on the offensive player who goes around the screen, and the defender who got screened takes the screener [for example].

But the bottom line is that the team is coached to do things a certain way, so that there is no UNCERTAINTY about what to do, whether to switch, etc.

We made a dumb mistake, giving a hot offensive player a wide open three at the end of regulation by blowing how we defended that play.

Right, but my question on that particular situation—if you try to fight through, over the top of the screen, on a play where the opposition has to have a three to tie or win, doesn’t that increase your likelihood of fouling on the attempt? This either giving them three FTs or an and-one four point opportunity?

I agree that we’re horrible at defense through screens. HORRIBLE. But if there’s one situation to not go over, it may have been that one. I’d rather have had Lucas on the target from the start, and then a switch if necessary, when there was no time to pass off.

But I dunno—I defer…. Anyone?

 

[djcon57]

Right, but my question on that particular situation—if you try to fight through, over the top of the screen, on a play where the opposition has to have a three to tie or win, doesn’t that increase your likelihood of fouling on the attempt? This either giving them three FTs or an and-one four point opportunity?

I agree that we’re horrible at defense through screens. HORRIBLE. But if there’s one situation to not go over, it may have been that one. I’d rather have had Lucas on the target from the start, and then a switch if necessary, when there was no time to pass off.

But I dunno—I defer…. Anyone?

Eddie should have been the one to foul. Instead he was at the foul line guarding no one

of course, a better question is why the hell is Eddie in the game to begin with

 

[Dcuse]

JJ should have fouled the inbounder immediately. You can even let the ref know before he puts the ball in play so that he’ll see it. You could have fried an egg on my head when that kid got a clean look from 3 in that situation. What ended up happening was indefensible.

 

[LAorange44]

Man. I saw some Dome photos on IG. The renovations, new seats, and video board look spectacular in a way that doesn’t carry over on the tv games. Really good work. Just wish we were packing them in and getting the dome rocking.

 

[sufan59]

Man. I saw some Dome photos on IG. The renovations, new seats, and video board look spectacular in a way that doesn’t carry over on the tv games. Really good work. Just wish we were packing them in and getting the dome rocking.

With renovations. We really do have a nice, high tech, and comfortable facility for all sports. Amongst the nicest in the conference and country.

 

[capeorange]

The acc is terrible.

And we're 4th from the bottom

 

[capeorange]

Donald Hand Jr. was 91% at the line coming into today and went 3-8 from the line.

Can someone better at math than me tell us what the statistical probability is of that happening?

²∑∛Σ³91٪÷opened dome doors ∛∅β+*@²³~¼= slim to none

Hope this helps.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[richmondcuse03]

I worry the coaching is Grob-era bad. I really like Red. I want him to win. But there are some fundamental mistakes that keep happening that give me great concern about his ability to turn it around. He needs to be humble and acknowledge where he's failing and either bring in the outside help and listen, or he's going to fail.

 

[Eric15]

²∑∛Σ³91٪÷opened dome doors ∛∅β+*@²³~¼= slim to none

Hope this helps.

Extremely helpful. Thank you.

 

[CuseFan]

Even if JJ fouled the ballhandler trying to force through the screen by going over the screen (as he was supposed to per Red), that would have been ok. Giving up 2 free throws is a lot better than an open 3 pointer.

 

[007]

Right, but my question on that particular situation—if you try to fight through, over the top of the screen, on a play where the opposition has to have a three to tie or win, doesn’t that increase your likelihood of fouling on the attempt? This either giving them three FTs or an and-one four point opportunity?

I agree that we’re horrible at defense through screens. HORRIBLE. But if there’s one situation to not go over, it may have been that one. I’d rather have had Lucas on the target from the start, and then a switch if necessary, when there was no time to pass off.

But I dunno—I defer…. Anyone?

No. You are always taught to fight over the screen whenever you can, especially in that situation (guarding against a 3). You need to stay tied to the shooter and in his face.The fact that the plan was to foul before the shot made it even more imperative to fight over the screen. Any space, as we saw, will give the shooter a clean look.

Fighting over screens is a basic foundational principle of every M2M concept. Hedging on ball screens (done by the defender whose man set the screen, for those who don't know), is a somewhat more complex and aggressive concept. But it is an extension of the same basic principle - fighting over screens.

 

[cusefan88]

I worry the coaching is Grob-era bad. I really like Red. I want him to win. But there are some fundamental mistakes that keep happening that give me great concern about his ability to turn it around. He needs to be humble and acknowledge where he's failing and either bring in the outside help and listen, or he's going to fail.

If they just committed to fighting over screens and having help defense rotations, the defense would improve a ton. He's failing at so many basic things and I hope he knows that even if he won't say it publicly.

 

[Irishsecra1]

He can be a pouty baby at times, but maybe the team didn’t want him there.

Frankly, I assumed he wasn’t there so he wouldn’t take attention away from Danforth.

 

[tptcuse]

No. You are always taught to fight over the screen whenever you can, especially in that situation (guarding against a 3). You need to stay tied to the shooter and in his face.The fact that the plan was to foul before the shot made it even more imperative to fight over the screen. Any space, as we saw, will give the shooter a clean look.

Fighting over screens is a basic foundational principle of every M2M concept. Hedging on ball screens (done by the defender whose man set the screen, for those who don't know), is a somewhat more complex and aggressive concept. But it is an extension of the same basic principle - fighting over screens.

And in this case it would have almost definitely been called an illegal screen against BC if JJ ran into him, as the BC player was definitely moving.

 

[PoppyHart]

Donald Hand Jr. was 91% at the line coming into today and went 3-8 from the line.

Can someone better at math than me tell us what the statistical probability is of that happening?

About the same as this guy hitting 8 out of 8.

 

[RF2044]

No. You are always taught to fight over the screen whenever you can, especially in that situation (guarding against a 3). You need to stay tied to the shooter and in his face.The fact that the plan was to foul before the shot made it even more imperative to fight over the screen. Any space, as we saw, will give the shooter a clean look.

Fighting over screens is a basic foundational principle of every M2M concept. Hedging on ball screens (done by the defender whose man set the screen, for those who don't know), is a somewhat more complex and aggressive concept. But it is an extension of the same basic principle - fighting over screens.

Agree 100%

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Even if JJ fouled the ballhandler trying to force through the screen by going over the screen (as he was supposed to per Red), that would have been ok. Giving up 2 free throws is a lot better than an open 3 pointer.

My doomsday scenario was specifically about accidentally fouling on a 3pt shot.

 

[Cheriehoop]

My doomsday scenario was specifically about accidentally fouling on a 3pt shot.

Mine too - didn’t expect a wide open 3 - I was worried about a late running at them close out.

 

[jncuse]

Houston and BC, basically same teams

You missed their point entirely. The point was Syracuse=Kansas.