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The big thing that came out of today's BCS meeting was a general openness to a 4-team playoff. Not a surprise, but significant.
 
PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel

The big thing that came out of today's BCS meeting was a general openness to a 4-team playoff. Not a surprise, but significant.

SO then the whining will be for the teams that are #5 and #6 as opposed to #3 and #4.. OK, I guess.
 
A gradual improvement... but an appreciated one if it happens. If we can get to an elite-8, I would be thrilled. And the way they already stretch the bowl season, why the hell not? Not like lesser bowls will be going away either.
 
SO then the whining will be for the teams that are #5 and #6 as opposed to #3 and #4.. OK, I guess.

Any system that can't decide it's playoff field purely by wins and losses (like the pro leagues do) is going to have an "arbitrary" cut-off somewhere. IMHO the goal is to draw it in a place that (1) makes qualifying for the post-season meaningful, and (2) includes enough teams that should have a reasonable shot to win a championship.

I've long felt that 8 is the perfect amount for college football. It's 7% of all FBS teams, which is crazy low compared to every other league in America. #8 this year would have been Kansas State -- they were a 10-2 team. Seems "reasonable" to give a 10-2 team a shot at a title. Hell, by comparison the 2003 SU hoops team wouldn't have had a shot, so it's a pretty damn selective criteria.
 
Any system that can't decide it's playoff field purely by wins and losses (like the pro leagues do) is going to have an "arbitrary" cut-off somewhere. IMHO the goal is to draw it in a place that (1) makes qualifying for the post-season meaningful, and (2) includes enough teams that should have a reasonable shot to win a championship.

I've long felt that 8 is the perfect amount for college football. It's 7% of all FBS teams, which is crazy low compared to every other league in America. #8 this year would have been Kansas State -- they were a 10-2 team. Seems "reasonable" to give a 10-2 team a shot at a title. Hell, by comparison the 2003 SU hoops team wouldn't have had a shot, so it's a pretty damn selective criteria.


Hey, I would love to see maybe a 24 team playoff with the top 8 getting buys or something, 16 would work, the rest can play in bowl games or whatever but it will NEVER happen so why spend so much bitching!!! It's like me bitching for a decent offense or QB at Syracuse, after 10 years I gave up
 
Hey, I would love to see maybe a 24 team playoff with the top 8 getting buys or something, 16 would work, the rest can play in bowl games or whatever

Gotta keep conference championships. What happened this year in the SEC is not a normal thing. The drama surrounding those conference titles will be huge knowing that it will play a hand in the playoff field.

Also... I hate Byes in a playoff format. If you want home-field advantage as a reward, great, but the only reason giving a team the opportunity to NOT play is just so you can manipulate the amount of teams that participated.
 
that's a big improvement.

the further down the bubble gets the less I care about the screwed over bubble team.

I guess, it would be good for Boise too, when they finally run the table they will get their shot
 
Any system that can't decide it's playoff field purely by wins and losses (like the pro leagues do) is going to have an "arbitrary" cut-off somewhere. IMHO the goal is to draw it in a place that (1) makes qualifying for the post-season meaningful, and (2) includes enough teams that should have a reasonable shot to win a championship.

I've long felt that 8 is the perfect amount for college football. It's 7% of all FBS teams, which is crazy low compared to every other league in America. #8 this year would have been Kansas State -- they were a 10-2 team. Seems "reasonable" to give a 10-2 team a shot at a title. Hell, by comparison the 2003 SU hoops team wouldn't have had a shot, so it's a pretty damn selective criteria.

I think 8 would certainly be enough to come up with a fair champion. But IB is right too, people still complain about who doesn't get in the field of 64, or however many it is. Our own coach wants it to go to 128.

I had this thought before and people disagreed with me, but I think if you go to an 8 team playoff, you destroy all the bowls, or at the very least, you NIT them. Now, I know there are way too many bowls as it is and is the GoDaddy Bowl really an event anyway? No. But I'm talking about the Outback, Gator, Capital One, Cotton, Holiday level bowls, which are still events. I think they eventually get wiped out. Because you've created the new, more inclusive event, so the fans (and even players probably) of those not included just aren't going to be as interested in those bowls.

Maybe that's ok too, I don't know. But if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on that being what happens. Not sure they can have 7 bowls host the 7 games either, the travel money for those fans who make the finals could be crazy. Which means some of the playoffs would have to be held at the higher seeds sites.

There's a lot to think through, and while overall plenty of money to be gained, I wonder how much money is lost by those who won't have the playoff wealth spread to them. Which is really what this is all about.
 
I think 8 would certainly be enough to come up with a fair champion. But IB is right too, people still complain about who doesn't get in the field of 64, or however many it is. Our own coach wants it to go to 128.

I had this thought before and people disagreed with me, but I think if you go to an 8 team playoff, you destroy all the bowls, or at the very least, you NIT them. Now, I know there are way too many bowls as it is and is the GoDaddy Bowl really an event anyway? No. But I'm talking about the Outback, Gator, Capital One, Cotton, Holiday level bowls, which are still events. I think they eventually get wiped out. Because you've created the new, more inclusive event, so the fans (and even players probably) of those not included just aren't going to be as interested in those bowls.

Maybe that's ok too, I don't know. But if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on that being what happens. Not sure they can have 7 bowls host the 7 games either, the travel money for those fans who make the finals could be crazy. Which means some of the playoffs would have to be held at the higher seeds sites.

There's a lot to think through, and while overall plenty of money to be gained, I wonder how much money is lost by those who won't have the playoff wealth spread to them. Which is really what this is all about.
we have an inclusive playoff already. i don't know why a 2 team playoff leaves gator bowl fans happy but an 8 team playoff doesn't. there would have to be some sort of delusion over where you sit in the pecking order in a 2 team playoff world in order for an expansion to burst their bubble.

it's a little bit of zero sum thinking. assumes that there's a fixed viewership and that more going to a inclusive playoff has to mean less attention for the outsiders.
 
I think 8 would certainly be enough to come up with a fair champion. But IB is right too, people still complain about who doesn't get in the field of 64, or however many it is. Our own coach wants it to go to 128.

I had this thought before and people disagreed with me, but I think if you go to an 8 team playoff, you destroy all the bowls, or at the very least, you NIT them. Now, I know there are way too many bowls as it is and is the GoDaddy Bowl really an event anyway? No. But I'm talking about the Outback, Gator, Capital One, Cotton, Holiday level bowls, which are still events. I think they eventually get wiped out. Because you've created the new, more inclusive event, so the fans (and even players probably) of those not included just aren't going to be as interested in those bowls.

Maybe that's ok too, I don't know. But if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on that being what happens. Not sure they can have 7 bowls host the 7 games either, the travel money for those fans who make the finals could be crazy. Which means some of the playoffs would have to be held at the higher seeds sites.

There's a lot to think through, and while overall plenty of money to be gained, I wonder how much money is lost by those who won't have the playoff wealth spread to them. Which is really what this is all about.

Even a 4-game playoff will cause money concerns for bowl travelers. How many people are going to travel twice over two weekends, particularly if you're a northern team? And how many can afford it?
 
Even a 4-game playoff will cause money concerns for bowl travelers. How many people are going to travel twice over two weekends, particularly if you're a northern team? And how many can afford it?

Why not just go by pods. First round can be in the higher ranked teams home field. Second round can goes to the Major Bowls, strategically placing the higher ranked team as close to home as possible. Then you can rotate the title game, and attendance for that shouldn't be all that difficult to get either way.
 
I had this thought before and people disagreed with me, but I think if you go to an 8 team playoff, you destroy all the bowls, or at the very least, you NIT them. Now, I know there are way too many bowls as it is and is the GoDaddy Bowl really an event anyway? No. But I'm talking about the Outback, Gator, Capital One, Cotton, Holiday level bowls, which are still events. I think they eventually get wiped out. Because you've created the new, more inclusive event, so the fans (and even players probably) of those not included just aren't going to be as interested in those bowls.

Why destroy all the other bowls? As long as they are lucrative enough to sustain themselves, why not keep that part as our throw back to tradition? Those bowls don't effect the title as it is, and it will just be the rich getting richer without letting the smaller guys at least have their post-season exhibitions, which is all bowls really are and a fact that continues to get lost in the big picture.
 
I think 8 would certainly be enough to come up with a fair champion. But IB is right too, people still complain about who doesn't get in the field of 64, or however many it is. Our own coach wants it to go to 128.

I had this thought before and people disagreed with me, but I think if you go to an 8 team playoff, you destroy all the bowls, or at the very least, you NIT them. Now, I know there are way too many bowls as it is and is the GoDaddy Bowl really an event anyway? No. But I'm talking about the Outback, Gator, Capital One, Cotton, Holiday level bowls, which are still events. I think they eventually get wiped out. Because you've created the new, more inclusive event, so the fans (and even players probably) of those not included just aren't going to be as interested in those bowls.

Maybe that's ok too, I don't know. But if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on that being what happens. Not sure they can have 7 bowls host the 7 games either, the travel money for those fans who make the finals could be crazy. Which means some of the playoffs would have to be held at the higher seeds sites.


These games are NIT now. Hell the Cotton Bowl, Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl were NITesque bowl games this year.

Have all the NIT bowls first, get them out of the way and then start the "playoff". 4 is better than 2. At least it doubles the field. 8 would be better.
 
Any system that can't decide it's playoff field purely by wins and losses (like the pro leagues do) is going to have an "arbitrary" cut-off somewhere. IMHO the goal is to draw it in a place that (1) makes qualifying for the post-season meaningful, and (2) includes enough teams that should have a reasonable shot to win a championship.

I've long felt that 8 is the perfect amount for college football. It's 7% of all FBS teams, which is crazy low compared to every other league in America. #8 this year would have been Kansas State -- they were a 10-2 team. Seems "reasonable" to give a 10-2 team a shot at a title. Hell, by comparison the 2003 SU hoops team wouldn't have had a shot, so it's a pretty damn selective criteria.

We have it in College BBall and I think most of us are happy with the current setup. Why BCS can't follow FCS is beyond me.
 
Even a 4-game playoff will cause money concerns for bowl travelers. How many people are going to travel twice over two weekends, particularly if you're a northern team? And how many can afford it?

obviously a valid point and why my solution would be to give the higher seeds home field until the championship game.
 
obviously a valid point and why my solution would be to give the higher seeds home field until the championship game.

Yes, you would just use the FCS model and go home field until the Championship game.
 
8 team playoffs is ideal. 4-2-1 structure gives you 7 total playoff bowls. Use the 4 major bowls currently in place and upgrade or add 3 more venues. We've got Pasadena, Tempe, New Orleans, and Miami so you've got to go North with at least 2 locations. I'll go with D.C., Chicago, and Kansas City or St Louis. Higher ranked team gets to select venue for the first round.

Time crunch and travel concerns become an issue, I've got an answer. 1) eliminate conference championship games since, as witnessed this year, making them is of little importance. 2) schedule games at 2 week intervals. LSU played it's last regular season game November 25th. If they win all the way to the championship game that would put their 3 games on 12/10, 12/24, and 1/7 or surrounding days Fri-Mondays. Same final date that we have now but alot more interesting football in between.

FWIW I would eliminate auto bids but keep the 2 team max per league. Sorry 2011 Big East, 2011 Big Ten and SEC #3... maybe next year. Also, if you don't want a 'lessor' school taking an auto bid you may want to schedule them OOC and make sure they don't get there.

1st round this year based on final regular season BCS would've been:

LSU vs Oregon (a rematch that was interesting)
Bama vs Boise
Okie State vs Houston
Stanford vs Va Tech

If Chalk wins out you get

LSU vs Stanford
Bama vs OSU

IF chalk wins again you get

LSU vs Bama BUT people are actually interested in the outcome.

It's a very rough draft but it could be done. How do you not diminish other bowls? Schedule them on the weekdays and weekends that don't contain the playoff games. The games that people don't care about know cannot be saved, interest wise, regardless.
 
6 conference champs plus 2 at large. All games but last at top seeds house.

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Even a 4-game playoff will cause money concerns for bowl travelers. How many people are going to travel twice over two weekends, particularly if you're a northern team? And how many can afford it?

Bluntly, bowl travelers aren't where the money is. It's with TV and other media rights.
 
if the big boys are in the playoff people will follow.. now in what numbers is a good question.. i think if Ala/ OSu/Mich were in a play off they would have 10-20k follow them for 2-3 games.

if you want to make it more manageable have two games at each location. 4 teams let everyone get tickets to both games.. many would stay
 
Hold the first round of an 8-teamer right at the end of the regular season, at higher-seeded teams stadiums.
Final Four on New Years Day at two of the existing BCS bowl games, with the other two BCS games matching up the Round 1 losers (if they want - or those teams could just go into the regular bowl selection mix).
Championship game a week later.
 

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