Big 10 expanding?

[richmondcuse03]

Emerging candidates are Iowa State for the Des Moines/Ankeny Media Market and Kansas, for the Kansas City/Lawrence Media Market.

That is hysterical.

More people lived in my building on 1st & 72nd than do in those ‘markets’.

Anyone talking media markets doesn’t understand how tv / streaming works anymore.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Anyone talking media markets doesn’t understand how tv / streaming works anymore.

Very true.

Nobody cares if ‘blank’ store opens within a, and I’ll be generous, 30 mile radius of your home when u can buy whatever u need online now.

Confs don’t need a ‘market’ they need quality programs putting out a product that people want to see….and PAY for.

 

[Orangefizz]

I have not read the article. But if B1G get all imperialistic, which they've done the last 15 years...

• (If not a sturdy ACC), SU alums/fans should root like hell for UNC and UVa to the SEC (they will be B1G targets).
  • Let's keep winning and attending games. Faith in Fran "saving" SU and college ball in the Northeast!
• Unfortunately, B1G would have to expand to 24 for us to even be in a conversation. It is illogical for a headliner school from NY State school to be excluded, but it could happen.
• Clemson, Cal & Stanford always in play for B1G.
• Others are the periphery (beyond UNC/UVa, along with SU): Colorado, Utah, one Arizona school (ASU mostly likely), Virginia Tech, Kansas, Georgia Tech, Miami, Florida State.
• And of course, Notre Dame could be admitted by lunch today if they wanted.

Notre Dame, Florida State, Miami, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Cal, Stanford all ahead of SU in the Big Ten pecking order.

I am almost certain Cuse will be in the ACC/Big 12 hybrid conference as our permanent landing spot.

 

[orange_in_VA]

Notre Dame, Florida State, Miami, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Cal, Stanford all ahead of SU in the Big Ten pecking order

What does the BIG get out of adding Stanford and Cal over Cuse when they already have USC and UCLA?

 

[DocFlanders]

From a month ago: Kansas & Iowa St.

woof

 

[Cusefan78]

Notre Dame, Florida State, Miami, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Cal, Stanford all ahead of SU in the Big Ten pecking order.

I am almost certain Cuse will be in the ACC/Big 12 hybrid conference as our permanent landing spot.

all the more reason basketball and football needs to have all the resources to turn these programs around. a version of su consistently in the top 25 would allow for a lot of growth in value.

 

[NKR1978]

From a month ago: Kansas & Iowa St.

They already have Iowa. And Kansas has 2 million people. I’m sure the Big Ten is going to pass on the opportunity to move into wealthy high population states like Virginia, North Carolina, or Florida in order to get the second biggest school in Iowa, when they already have the main school.

This is West Virginia blogger circa 2013 level of delusion.

 

[orangenauburn]

Maryland AD running his mouth...

Paywalled:

He apparently has been given a ton of grief for his comments

I'm sure there is already a back door deal in place and it doesn't include us

 

[Jcuse_44]

I want all the damn conferences to end. Everyone is independent. Scheduling will suck but whatever. Or have 5 max teams in every conference that you play every season and the rest is new teams.

 

[Orangefizz]

What does the BIG get out of adding Stanford and Cal over Cuse when they already have USC and UCLA?

Cal and Stanford bring great academics, Pac 12 lineage, SF/Silicon Valley private equity markets. I think the BIG would be better off grabbing new states like Arizona Utah, Kansas, Colorado and Texas

 

[Archbold44]

I've been running an AI with this for the last month or so: and this is their Scenario (Gemini AI):

SEC will get to 20 first and add 4 teams. Clemson, UNC, FSU, Miami.
B1G will go to 20 and add Duke and UVA.

If they expand beyond this:

B1G adds 2 more in Utah and Stanford. (22)
SEC adds 4 again and get GT, Louisville, Arizona, and Kansas. (24)
B1G adds 2 final teams in Pitt and Cuse (24).

This creates a comprehensive 2 tier league that spreads across all major states and population centers.

Do I think this happens? No

I don't see it. UNC is THE prize next to ND. And I think UVa might be next. Not so much about new markets alone, as it is new markets plus recruiting plus non-dilution of current product plus academics. Perhaps they even go as a package as they are rivals.

If so, there are two scenarios:

(1)... the B1G gets UNC/UVa... the SEC has to decide whether to add duplicate states to its portfolio... perhaps they go for all 4: FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Ga Tech. Now all in-state matchups are conference games. 9 P4 Game problem solved. Sorry, Oklahoma State.

(2) the SEC gets UNC/UVa... and the B1G has to decide what to do next. I could see them doing nothing. I could see them adding Florida State and Clemson. It would be interesting to see if Texas Tech could sneak in ahead of Clemson. Huge investments being made there. That would get the B1G into Florida and Texas, which might be big for recruiting. Recruiting might make Georgia Tech a sleeper as team #2 also. But, assuming the B1G goes FSU/Clemson... it is less certain that the SEC would make any move to go beyond 18. Would Ga Tech/Louisville move the needle enough financially to do anything? Would the SEC want to add Colorado, Arizona State, or Kansas just to get to 20? I doubt it.

In any scenario where the ACC loses 6 or fewer schoosl, there would be a path forward. 20 teams in the B1G/SEC each is not enough to destroy the B12 and ACC. There would be enough left to maintain each conference. And if there is a scenario where the B12 loses a few schools, it looks all the better for the ACC to maintain equality with them.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I want all the damn conferences to end. Everyone is independent. Scheduling will suck but whatever. Or have 5 max teams in every conference that you play every season and the rest is new teams.

Working together as one giant group like the nfl is how the schools would collectively make the most money.

 

[CuseCactus]

Cal and Stanford bring great academics, Pac 12 lineage, SF/Silicon Valley private equity markets. I think the BIG would be better off grabbing new states like Arizona Utah, Kansas, Colorado and Texas

Agree. And the Bay Area is a huge market. Both schools are internationally prominent - and it fits with USC/UCLA/Ore/WA.

Finally, as you mention - the real money is moving westward. The “Magnificent 7” companies - 4 are Bay Area - except for MSFT/Amazon (Seattle) and Tesla (Austin).

Despite everyone mocking California - especially Northern California - they are the economic engine driving the future for our country. Not just in AI. And those two schools are a big reason for this.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I don't see it. UNC is THE prize next to ND. And I think UVa might be next. Not so much about new markets alone, as it is new markets plus recruiting plus non-dilution of current product plus academics. Perhaps they even go as a package as they are rivals.

If so, there are two scenarios:

(1)... the B1G gets UNC/UVa... the SEC has to decide whether to add duplicate states to its portfolio... perhaps they go for all 4: FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Ga Tech. Now all in-state matchups are conference games. 9 P4 Game problem solved. Sorry, Oklahoma State.

(2) the SEC gets UNC/UVa... and the B1G has to decide what to do next. I could see them doing nothing. I could see them adding Florida State and Clemson. It would be interesting to see if Texas Tech could sneak in ahead of Clemson. Huge investments being made there. That would get the B1G into Florida and Texas, which might be big for recruiting. Recruiting might make Georgia Tech a sleeper as team #2 also. But, assuming the B1G goes FSU/Clemson... it is less certain that the SEC would make any move to go beyond 18. Would Ga Tech/Louisville move the needle enough financially to do anything? Would the SEC want to add Colorado, Arizona State, or Kansas just to get to 20? I doubt it.

In any scenario where the ACC loses 6 or fewer schoosl, there would be a path forward. 20 teams in the B1G/SEC each is not enough to destroy the B12 and ACC. There would be enough left to maintain each conference. And if there is a scenario where the B12 loses a few schools, it looks all the better for the ACC to maintain equality with them.

lol that was almost as good as ISU to the B18.

 

[Archbold44]

lol that was almost as good as ISU to the B18.

What is your source that UNC is not the biggest school out there other than ND? An FSU blog?

 

[orange_in_VA]

Cal and Stanford bring great academics, Pac 12 lineage, SF/Silicon Valley private equity markets. I think the BIG would be better off grabbing new states like Arizona Utah, Kansas, Colorado and Texas

I don't think academics have anything to do with what has become a professional sports league. That ship has sailed. Private equity access could be compelling, unfortunately.

 

[Archbold44]

I don't think academics have anything to do with what has become a professional sports league. That ship has sailed. Private equity access could be compelling, unfortunately.

I think the B1G will cling to it a bit longer. Even Stanford/Cal preferred the ACC to the B12 because of academics. The ship is sinking, but it is taking on water a bit slower than it seems. Anyone else have any ship-related comments?

 

[orangefog]

I think the B1G will cling to it a bit longer. Even Stanford/Cal preferred the ACC to the B12 because of academics. The ship is sinking, but it is taking on water a bit slower than it seems. Anyone else have any ship-related comments?

 

[NJneer12]

I don't see it. UNC is THE prize next to ND. And I think UVa might be next. Not so much about new markets alone, as it is new markets plus recruiting plus non-dilution of current product plus academics. Perhaps they even go as a package as they are rivals.

If so, there are two scenarios:

(1)... the B1G gets UNC/UVa... the SEC has to decide whether to add duplicate states to its portfolio... perhaps they go for all 4: FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Ga Tech. Now all in-state matchups are conference games. 9 P4 Game problem solved. Sorry, Oklahoma State.

(2) the SEC gets UNC/UVa... and the B1G has to decide what to do next. I could see them doing nothing. I could see them adding Florida State and Clemson. It would be interesting to see if Texas Tech could sneak in ahead of Clemson. Huge investments being made there. That would get the B1G into Florida and Texas, which might be big for recruiting. Recruiting might make Georgia Tech a sleeper as team #2 also. But, assuming the B1G goes FSU/Clemson... it is less certain that the SEC would make any move to go beyond 18. Would Ga Tech/Louisville move the needle enough financially to do anything? Would the SEC want to add Colorado, Arizona State, or Kansas just to get to 20? I doubt it.

In any scenario where the ACC loses 6 or fewer schoosl, there would be a path forward. 20 teams in the B1G/SEC each is not enough to destroy the B12 and ACC. There would be enough left to maintain each conference. And if there is a scenario where the B12 loses a few schools, it looks all the better for the ACC to maintain equality with them.

Funny enough, one of the scenarios does do the 4 ACC schools with rivalries flip first.

I'll share that one next. Haha.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I don't see it. UNC is THE prize next to ND. And I think UVa might be next. Not so much about new markets alone, as it is new markets plus recruiting plus non-dilution of current product plus academics. Perhaps they even go as a package as they are rivals.

If so, there are two scenarios:

(1)... the B1G gets UNC/UVa... the SEC has to decide whether to add duplicate states to its portfolio... perhaps they go for all 4: FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and Ga Tech. Now all in-state matchups are conference games. 9 P4 Game problem solved. Sorry, Oklahoma State.

(2) the SEC gets UNC/UVa... and the B1G has to decide what to do next. I could see them doing nothing. I could see them adding Florida State and Clemson. It would be interesting to see if Texas Tech could sneak in ahead of Clemson. Huge investments being made there. That would get the B1G into Florida and Texas, which might be big for recruiting. Recruiting might make Georgia Tech a sleeper as team #2 also. But, assuming the B1G goes FSU/Clemson... it is less certain that the SEC would make any move to go beyond 18. Would Ga Tech/Louisville move the needle enough financially to do anything? Would the SEC want to add Colorado, Arizona State, or Kansas just to get to 20? I doubt it.

In any scenario where the ACC loses 6 or fewer schoosl, there would be a path forward. 20 teams in the B1G/SEC each is not enough to destroy the B12 and ACC. There would be enough left to maintain each conference. And if there is a scenario where the B12 loses a few schools, it looks all the better for the ACC to maintain equality with them.

B10 has coveted UNC and UVA for years. If they make a move for ACC teams those two will almost assuredly be included.

 

[Toga]

I think the B1G will cling to it a bit longer. Even Stanford/Cal preferred the ACC to the B12 because of academics. The ship is sinking, but it is taking on water a bit slower than it seems. Anyone else have any ship-related comments?

I am not buoyed by the latest news.

 

[Toga]

B10 has coveted UNC and UVA for years. If they make a move for ACC teams those two will almost assuredly be included.

Unless things change.

 

[NJneer12]

I'm going to share this again as this is important. TV numbers matter more than anything and Cuse is in the top 5 in MBB viewership (5 yr rolling average) despite the records...and Football was in the Top 7 in 2018 and 2023. I predict we'll be top 5 this season with the games on the schedule.

NYS is a HUGE population center. NYS without NYC and LI is still equal to the populations of Missouri, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Colorado. Throw in the NYC/LI market where SU has their piece of the pie. I hope this isn't underestimated in our administration. NYS can compete with any other midwest or southern state in TV, NIL, businesses, and marketing.