Bills 2024 Thread - Misery loves company

[Millhouse]

When things speed up towards the end of close games he cannot think straight. Think of the number of close losses the last few years. We’ve lost almost every close game that comes down to a few plays at the end. Poor coaching decisions is the preponderance of fault . Last year in the playoffs vs chiefs .. that drive where we needed to run and get the clock moving so we could score and leave no time left ? Butchered.

He is an idiot, he is nothing without Allen

 

[shandeezy7]

I don’t have an issue with him. I have an issue with the wizards who thought THAT skill set is what we need

I guess, but I also don’t know who you take with that pick. I know some were high on Worthy, but not me. Don’t think he fits what we needed either. I suppose you could’ve tried to make a move up for a Brian Thomas or something. But who else was realistic for that spot that would definitively be a better fit?

 

[SUFan44]

I guess, but I also don’t know who you take with that pick. I know some were high on Worthy, but not me. Don’t think he fits what we needed either. I suppose you could’ve tried to make a move up for a Brian Thomas or something. But who else was realistic for that spot that would definitively be a better fit?

So you trade back and get a different guy. Don't force it.

Coleman has been OK. But he's not a starting #1 WR day one. That much is clear.

Samuel is the bigger question mark, and black eye on the staff. He was hand selected. $9M cap hit next year. Terrible.

Also, the usage and production of Kincaid is a problem.

 

[shandeezy7]

So you trade back and get a different guy. Don't force it.

Coleman has been OK. But he's not a starting #1 WR day one. That much is clear.

Samuel is the bigger question mark, and black eye on the staff. He was hand selected. $9M cap hit next year. Terrible.

Also, the usage and production of Kincaid is a problem.

I mean, we already did trade back to take Coleman. And I don’t think he was drafted with the expectation of being the day 1 number 1. Agreed that the Samuel signing appears to be the bigger issue. Coleman as the #3 or even #4 option (behind Kincaid) would be more reasonable, but he’s basically being forced to be the second option. And I feel like he’s been ok, more or less. Way too early to pile on that pick, IMO.

 

[SUFan44]

I mean, we already did trade back to take Coleman. And I don’t think he was drafted with the expectation of being the day 1 number 1. Agreed that the Samuel signing appears to be the bigger issue. Coleman as the #3 or even #4 option (behind Kincaid) would be more reasonable, but he’s basically being forced to be the second option. And I feel like he’s been ok, more or less. Way too early to pile on that pick, IMO.

I don't think I'm piling on. The guy had a ball hit him in the back of the head, right on time and right on target. That's a fact.

He made a play today. Not many did. He also got benched for a quarter for showing up late. And has had a few false start penalties through 5 games as a WR.

 

[Millhouse]

So you trade back and get a different guy. Don't force it.

Coleman has been OK. But he's not a starting #1 WR day one. That much is clear.

Samuel is the bigger question mark, and black eye on the staff. He was hand selected. $9M cap hit next year. Terrible.

Also, the usage and production of Kincaid is a problem.

Coleman is terrible

 

[SUFan44]

Coleman is terrible

I don't think he'll be anything more than below average starting WR. Not sure if he's terrible, but he's certainly not a second round WR from the looks.

He can certainly improve. But separation usually doesn't get better with age.

 

[NineOneSeven]

We seem to forget to throw to Kincaid as the game goes on. With this team it’s a joke he doesn’t see 10 targets consistently. I’m serious.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Why were our safeties standing in Austin, TX on this play? We defending a Hail Mary? Said this live too

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[shandeezy7]

Why were our safeties standing in Austin, TX on this play? We defending a Hail Mary? Said this live too

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Yeah that was laughable. What did we think the Texans were going to do? It’s like McDermott sees less than a certain amount of time on the clock and just instinctively presses the prevent defense button automatically.

 

[shandeezy7]

I don't think I'm piling on. The guy had a ball hit him in the back of the head, right on time and right on target. That's a fact.

He made a play today. Not many did. He also got benched for a quarter for showing up late. And has had a few false start penalties through 5 games as a WR.

Yeah on what I assume was supposed to be a run that Josh audibled out of and the rookie WR playing his 5th career NFL game missed. If he catches it, it’s a two yard gain. Big whoop.

 

[Toga]

Has our highly paid TE even caught a pass this season?

 

[STEVEHOLT]

He is an idiot, he is nothing without Allen

This is why we ultimately have no chance. In navigating the playoffs, in all likelihood you are going to end up in at least one game where the result is up in the air to the very end.

With this clown, we are waging two wars.
1. The opponent
2. Idiotic game decisions of the coach

Allen can overcome one of these himself but not both.

Now today Ryans also Shat himself with that pass play to the RB that went incomplete and stopped the clock. Their penultimate drive was so mismanaged that against almost any other coach , it would be suicide . But in rushes the Code team lead by McNugget to perform CPR on the Texans

 

[STEVEHOLT]

SVP said tonight that Bills were 1st team in FORTY FIVE years to pass three straight times starting a drive tied or ahead inside their own 5 with less than a minute left

 

[NineOneSeven]

This is why we ultimately have no chance. In navigating the playoffs, in all likelihood you are going to end up in at least one game where the result is up in the air to the very end.

With this clown, we are waging two wars.
1. The opponent
2. Idiotic game decisions of the coach

Allen can overcome one of these himself but not both.

Now today Ryans also Shat himself with that pass play to the RB that went incomplete and stopped the clock. Their penultimate drive was so mismanaged that against almost any other coach , it would be suicide . But in rushes the Code team lead by McNugget to perform CPR on the Texans

Yeah Ryans totally blew that. Got bailed out.

It’s a weird spot for us because overall the success of Sean as HC cannot be thrown out. We’ve largely won usually by a lot for nfl standards. I mean we just had a streak of what 42 games without losing by >6? It’s SOME of the losses though that are rough (and other teams have these same ones don’t be fooled… this game does that).

Idk…. Who do you find that is better? The Hail Mary d from the safeties on that last pre FG play, thinking more on it, is insane stuff.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Has our highly paid TE even caught a pass this season?

A few. Way too few. But…. That was the risk.

 

[Cusefan0307]

How did the NFL allow Allen back in the game. He was definitely concussed. Would not be at all surprised to see him end up on concussion protocol this week.

 

[BuffOrange]

In seeing the Sneaky Joe tweet of the 2nd down bomb to Hollins, it's on Allen not taking the easy short completion underneath I was asking for. Such a dumb decision.

I say this as a JA apologist who wanted McD gone after :13. We were accused of "overreacting" and not being grateful enough that we were no longer irrelevant, or even being bandwagon fans (a hilarious accusation for such a miserable franchise).

Now as the years go by all of those even keel heroes from 2021 want to blame him for every L. Whatever. This whole timeline was all so predictable. Every part of it.
We needed to move on after the grossest coaching incompetence in the history of pro sports ruining the most clutch QB play in playoff history. Especially when it's an actual desirable job unlike circa 2010. But here we are.

 

[shandeezy7]

SVP said tonight that Bills were 1st team in FORTY FIVE years to pass three straight times starting a drive tied or ahead inside their own 5 with less than a minute left

For context's sake, I'd be interested to know how many of the opponents in that situation had all three timeouts left, because that does change the equation a bit. The bigger issue wasn't that we passed the ball three times, but where those passes went.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

For context's sake, I'd be interested to know how many of the opponents in that situation had all three timeouts left, because that does change the equation a bit. The bigger issue wasn't that we passed the ball three times, but where those passes went.

well given the time frame is 45 years I’m willing to bet it was a large number of opponents had 3 TO

There is this assumption that you can’t move the ball if you run it and they think you’re running it. We just assume they get stuffed three times and we punt?

How crazy is it that you pass three times? Arguable

How crazy is it that those are the 3 passes? Less arguable

How crazy to go empty backfield so they KNOW you are passing: not arguable

 

[STEVEHOLT]

We can blame Stu Feiner for Josh getting hurt

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[Melancer46]

If the Bills beat the Jets next week, they’ll have the inside track towards winning the division. The AFC East looked brutal at the beginning of the year but suddenly it’s not that scary at all.

But yes, the decision not to take knees and send it to OT is just inexcusable and Dino-esque.

We most likely needed a 1st down to avoid losing in regulation. All kneeling would have done is back us up even more and give the Texans more time to get into more reasonable FG range.

I can't believe we didn't try a QB draw there but maybe they're still worried about Allen taking hits with that left hand of his.

I don't mind throwing the ball in that situation personally; with Houston having three timeouts, we needed to move the ball more than we needed them to use the timeouts IMO. That deep ball to Hollins we had multiple open receivers underneath too; Josh was just looking for Hollins the whole way for some reason. Maybe the concussion that he played through.

 

[Melancer46]

I don't see how the WR room gets better as the season goes on.

Shakir comes back, sure. But that doesn't help with Coleman getting zero separation or getting clocked in the head by a perfectly thrown ball.

Or MVS dropping a ball because he's too weak to catch. Or Kincaid being a first rounder that is a 45% snap guy.

It's incredible how terrible this team is at getting WR's. They've had 100 chances.

Seemed like a run play that Allen aborted but idk. Coleman at least obviously thought it was a run.

 

[Melancer46]

I guess, but I also don’t know who you take with that pick. I know some were high on Worthy, but not me. Don’t think he fits what we needed either. I suppose you could’ve tried to make a move up for a Brian Thomas or something. But who else was realistic for that spot that would definitively be a better fit?

Yeah, I think trading up for Thomas was the play. After him, I had Coleman as the next best option anyways. McConkey has been really good for the Chargers so far but I think there's a lot of overlap between him and Shakir so not surprised we went with Coleman instead.

 

[NineOneSeven]

We most likely needed a 1st down to avoid losing in regulation. All kneeling would have done is back us up even more and give the Texans more time to get into more reasonable FG range.

I can't believe we didn't try a QB draw there but maybe they're still worried about Allen taking hits with that left hand of his.

I don't mind throwing the ball in that situation personally; with Houston having three timeouts, we needed to move the ball more than we needed them to use the timeouts IMO. That deep ball to Hollins we had multiple open receivers underneath too; Josh was just looking for Hollins the whole way for some reason. Maybe the concussion that he played through.

If you’re going to throw, do something that actually has a shot