Bing best guard ever at SU.

[baggerbob]

Yea that was a big mistake but part of his “persona”. Other than DC, Smith and Tommy Stundis are the toughest players we’ve had.

Jon Cincebox is right there with that group, undersized, but a bull around the boards.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Here's a nice interview / career retrospective on Dave Bing. Takes about 4 minutes or so before you start seeing highlights. He had a game that would still translate today. Watch the way he drives the lane with big athletic strides, can dish or score off the glass. Such an athlete! Twenty years ahead of his time.

That was sooooo cool.

My father always told me he played pickup against him in DC as kids. And Bing, post-NBA looks so much like my father, they could have been brothers.

Bing was much stronger and more athletic than I expected. I didn’t remember him being on the Celtics (#44!).

I got to see him play a couple of times, but only late in his career, when he came to play against the 76ers. Wish I had seen him in his greatness. Amazing, those stories about two eye injuries.

 

[rrlbees]

Did Smith punch a referee or a player?

I remember he was suspended during his junior year for punching somebody

A ref at a game in West Virginia after his 5th foul.

 

[Cheriehoop]

A ref at a game in West Virginia after his 5th foul.

He always claimed that the ref slapped him - imagine if it happened it would have been on tape.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Best is a debate but greatest talent was Dion

So weird, but I have very little memory of Dion playing for us. I have more memory of Chris McCullough or… those two guys who transferred out mid-season.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Very right Dick. And I agree with your last point. Some of the great players like Kohl’s and Smith are all but forgotten since it was so long ago. I’m glad I got to see them play.

Denny Duval, too.

 

[two3zone]

That was sooooo cool.

My father always told me he played pickup against him in DC as kids. And Bing, post-NBA looks so much like my father, they could have been brothers.

Bing was much stronger and more athletic than I expected. I didn’t remember him being on the Celtics (#44!).

I got to see him play a couple of times, but only late in his career, when he came to play against the 76ers. Wish I had seen him in his greatness. Amazing, those stories about two eye injuries.

Could your dad defend the corner three?

 

[Eric15]

Bing was much stronger and more athletic than I expected. I didn’t remember him being on the Celtics (#44!).

He averaged 11 rebounds per game one season which is amazing considering he was 6'3" 180.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Could your dad defend the corner three?

My dad was 6’0”, not particularly fleet of foot, and not a leaper.

 

[two3zone]

My dad was 6’0”, not particularly fleet of foot, and not a leaper.

As a slow man, I empathize.

 

[RF2044]

Here's a different question that ties to this thread -- I've always viewed Bing as the greatest player in program history [with DC being second]. That viewpoint is supported not just by his production at SU, but also by him going on to be an NBA HOF'er.

My question is: now that he's at the finish line, does Carmelo warrant consideration to challenge for the top spot, based upon both HIS career accomplishments at SU and how his NBA career unfolded, being solidly in the top 10 all time leading scorer list, etc.?

It's at least a discussion, right?

 

[rrlbees]

Here's a different question that ties to this thread -- I've always viewed Bing as the greatest player in program history [with DC being second]. That viewpoint is supported not just by his production at SU, but also by him going on to be an NBA HOF'er.

My question is: now that he's at the finish line, does Carmelo warrant consideration to challenge for the top spot, based upon both HIS career accomplishments at SU and how his NBA career unfolded, being solidly in the top 10 all time leading scorer list, etc.?

It's at least a discussion, right?

Tough call. But those are the 3 best imo. I think I would go Bing, Melo, DC. But I wouldn’t be able to argue against any ranking of them.

 

[two3zone]

Here's a different question that ties to this thread -- I've always viewed Bing as the greatest player in program history [with DC being second]. That viewpoint is supported not just by his production at SU, but also by him going on to be an NBA HOF'er.

My question is: now that he's at the finish line, does Carmelo warrant consideration to challenge for the top spot, based upon both HIS career accomplishments at SU and how his NBA career unfolded, being solidly in the top 10 all time leading scorer list, etc.?

It's at least a discussion, right?

Melo did in one year what every single person named in this tried to do and failed. He has to be #1, no disrespect to Bing, DC or anyone else.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Melo did in one year what every single person named in this tried to do and failed. He has to be #1, no disrespect to Bing, DC or anyone else.

It's so contextual. Put Melo on this year's team, he doesn't win a championship. Put DC on one of our later teams that was really good, maybe they do. Same with Pearl and Bing.

A championship team is a formula.

Same argument when you show that Luc Longley has three championships and Ewing and Barkley don't have any.

Also kinda hard for me to determine a player isn't 'championship level' based on whether or not a player on the other team hits a shot or doesn't. DC is a Keith Smart 'coin flip' away.

 

[grepal]

My list starts mid-late 80’s

Pearl
The General
Poetry in Moten
McNamara
Flynn
MCW
Waiters
Devendorf
Rautins
Judah Mintz (let’s hope)

I am taking Buddy over Andy. Bing has to be on top of the list. Dennis Duval. Jimmy Lee. SU has had some great guards

Bees and I mention him a couple of times a year all by ourselves. Am I right, Rick?

I think I posted once about being in a pickup game when I was a student and The Kid was on the other team. Seeing his skill up close was even more amazing than watching from the seats in Manley. Thankfully I wasn’t covering him.

It is true though that great guys like Kohls and Bill Smith who came from the Roy Danforth years are all but forgotten now and never known at all by many fans.

 

[cuseallday]

I'm not saying he's in any way, shape or form a top-10 guard in SU program history, but I loved Brandon Triche. Maybe because, in his four years, Syracuse went 121-26. I miss that.

 

[two3zone]

It's so contextual. Put Melo on this year's team, he doesn't win a championship. Put DC on one of our later teams that was really good, maybe they do. Same with Pearl and Bing.

A championship team is a formula.

Same argument when you show that Luc Longley has three championships and Ewing and Barkley don't have any.

Also kinda hard for me to determine a player isn't 'championship level' based on whether or not a player on the other team hits a shot or doesn't. DC is a Keith Smart 'coin flip' away.

Not sure that team wins 20 without Melo though.