Board Administrator Email To The Athletic Department

[rrlbees]

No one under the age of 25 even cares/knows about this. Although I see what you are saying.

Not all casual fans are under 25.


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[skurey]

the important ones are

 

[OttoMets]

I think some diehard fan were upset about the chancellor saying "get a life". I don't think the casual fans cared at all. That's why they are casual fans.



Not sure if it makes me a lackluster fan but I didn't lose any sleep over it.

The Shaw comment was outstanding. The only sort of person who would be offended by that is exactly the sort of person it was intended for - someone who really does need to get a life.

 

[Scooch]

The Shaw comment was outstanding. The only sort of person who would be offended by that is exactly the sort of person it was intended for - someone who really does need to get a life.

The statement was OK, until the last line. Just a stupid gaffe. But people should have been a LOT more angry at the idiotic accounting rules Buzz enforced that totally 'ed the program. Sadly most SU fans aren't savvy enough to realize that.

 

[rrlbees]

The Shaw comment was outstanding. The only sort of person who would be offended by that is exactly the sort of person it was intended for - someone who really does need to get a life.

Except there were fans who left. And your comment reinforces that they were right in their feelings.


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[Ottoble]

But people should have been a LOT more angry at the idiotic accounting rules Buzz enforced that totally 'ed the program. Sadly most SU fans aren't savvy enough to realize that.

Interesting please expound.

 

[Scooch]

Interesting please expound.

Others closer to the program know more details than me, but SU had a bizarre accounting situation for years that saw the Athletic Department have to give substantial money that it earned back to the university to be diverted to non-athletic endeavors. An anecdotal example, there's a lecture hall in Newhouse that was funded by money we earned from the 1993 Fiesta Bowl. SU fell far behind it's peer schools in terms of facilities beginning in the late 90s and that strange accounting method was a driver of that, from what I've been told.

 

[OttoMets]

Except there were fans who left. And your comment reinforces that they were right in their feelings.

I don't know that that's a bad thing, for them or for us.

 

[OttoMets]

Others closer to the program know more details than me, but SU had a bizarre accounting situation for years that saw the Athletic Department have to give substantial money that it earned back to the university to be diverted to non-athletic endeavors. An anecdotal example, there's a lecture hall in Newhouse that was funded by money we earned from the 1993 Fiesta Bowl. SU fell far behind it's peer schools in terms of facilities beginning in the late 90s and that strange accounting method was a driver of that, from what I've been told.

Yeah, that's true. Pasqualoni's bowl teams were funding a lot of non-athletic projects.

For example, the athletic department was wishing and hoping for replacement of the Manley track for five or six years in the late '90s. Each winter they thought it would be taken care of the following summer. The millions kept being funneled elsewhere.

 

[rrlbees]

I don't know that that's a bad thing, for them or for us.

Bad for us. That's not how you treat your customer unless you want them to go away. I'm sure there weren't many but all the little things add up. The amount of silver supports that.


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[OttoMets]

Bad for us. That's not how you treat your customer unless you want them to go away. I'm sure there weren't many but all the little things add up. The amount of silver supports that.

Everything adds up. And I don't like our customer service any more than you do - it stinks.

As for people abandoning the football program because of that quote by Shaw, however, that reflects worse on them than it does on the university.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Others closer to the program know more details than me, but SU had a bizarre accounting situation for years that saw the Athletic Department have to give substantial money that it earned back to the university to be diverted to non-athletic endeavors. An anecdotal example, there's a lecture hall in Newhouse that was funded by money we earned from the 1993 Fiesta Bowl. SU fell far behind it's peer schools in terms of facilities beginning in the late 90s and that strange accounting method was a driver of that, from what I've been told.

Bowl revenue went into the general fund, not to the athletic department. Even parking and concessions revenue went to the general fund, not the ath dept.

During our great bowl run from 1987 to 1998, a great opportunity to reinvest money back into our athletic facilities was lost.

 

[xc84]

Bowl revenue went into the general fund, not to the athletic department. Even parking and concessions revenue went to the general fund, not the ath dept.

During our great bowl run from 1987 to 1998, a great opportunity to reinvest money back into our athletic facilities was lost.

While that may be true and unfortunate, it's not a "bizarre accounting situation"

 

[Ottoble]

Others closer to the program know more details than me, but SU had a bizarre accounting situation for years that saw the Athletic Department have to give substantial money that it earned back to the university to be diverted to non-athletic endeavors. An anecdotal example, there's a lecture hall in Newhouse that was funded by money we earned from the 1993 Fiesta Bowl. SU fell far behind it's peer schools in terms of facilities beginning in the late 90s and that strange accounting method was a driver of that, from what I've been told.

Bowl revenue went into the general fund, not to the athletic department. Even parking and concessions revenue went to the general fund, not the ath dept.

During our great bowl run from 1987 to 1998, a great opportunity to reinvest money back into our athletic facilities was lost.

Thanks guys, good info. I didn't realize that was how it was set up then but I do recall (being a somewhat more recent grad) some lecture halls being a result of certain bowl wins etc. including I believe the large lecture hall in engineering. I do have to say, based on the history of improvement in how well respected and academically ranked SU was from the 80's up until the early 2000's, if the unusual accounting helped the improvement there may be something to be said for it. However it appears that system went too far ending up giving us lean years where the university may have gotten nothing from or had to pay into the athletics program due to the football program floundering. I don't know the details but perhaps if the percentage required to give to academics had been lower originally a more consistent slower improvement could have been made to athletics, improving athletic revenue by winning more and providing eventually the same dollar amount to academic improvements over the long haul while avoiding the athletic facilities tipping point. (10pts for using a buzzword outside my professional area)

I believe that almost every school athletics program "donates" the remainder of its profit to their university at year end and the university keeps an account of those donations for possible future investments in athletics, are we still on a set percentage that SUATH needs to meet or have those days gone by the wayside in favor of a net profit approach?

 

[Scooch]

While that may be true and unfortunate, it's not a "bizarre accounting situation"

Well, IMHO it is when you allow that revenue generator to sputter due to lack of investment.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

No one under the age of 25 even cares/knows about this. Although I see what you are saying.

Maybe not,but the people who might have brought those under 25s to games and encouraged them to be SU football fans when they were children just might.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

But people should have been a LOT more angry at the idiotic accounting rules Buzz enforced that totally 'ed the program.

Things like this led a lot of fans to believe SU didn't really care about FB,IMO.The get a life thing was just the last straw for many.

 

[xc84]

Well, IMHO it is when you allow that revenue generator to sputter due to lack of investment.

My only point was that, if it happened, while you may not like the investment decision, it was not some sort "bizarre" accounting transaction like at e.g. Enron used to fool people. The SU thing was not an "idiotic accounting rule"... it was an investment/funding decision that really had nothing to do with accounting. The accounting part was simply proper accounting after they made the decision of what to do with the money.

 

[RandygoCuse]

What if we started going for it on most 4th downs? We get known for something and it doesn't require additional funding. Plus, I think from a metrics perspective it actually works.

 

[anomander]

Others closer to the program know more details than me, but SU had a bizarre accounting situation for years that saw the Athletic Department have to give substantial money that it earned back to the university to be diverted to non-athletic endeavors. An anecdotal example, there's a lecture hall in Newhouse that was funded by money we earned from the 1993 Fiesta Bowl. SU fell far behind it's peer schools in terms of facilities beginning in the late 90s and that strange accounting method was a driver of that, from what I've been told.

good so start building the damn IPF already. Private donors or not get it done

 

[Ozcuse]

How about this for identity-

1 center, 3 dual threat qbs in the backfield, H back in the slot, 6 wide receivers split wide every damn play.

Never punt, never kick a field goal, always go for 2.

Every kick off is an onside kick- actually scratch that, if the other team wants the ball after we score they need to pry it from our cold bloody hands.

On defense we will only play 6 men but each one holds a chainsaw.

Rename the carrier dome to The Thunderdome.

How about that for identity?