Bob Knight Rips John Wooden

[Townie72]

He's not wrong, but whats worse cheating or physically abusing your players?

By "not wrong" do you mean he was right?



Not sure which is worse or even why that would matter in this discussion.

How much so-called "abuse" was there?

How much cheating and of what type went on?

Does that fact that someone put his hands on a player's neck at practice offset years of outrageous showering of gifts of cars and clothes and paying for abortions?

Who has the official scales of justice so that we can weigh there two things and determine which is worse?

 

[Townie72]

I'm not sure some of our posters realize what a force in college basketball Knight was.

Bobby Knight won 902 D-1 men's college basketball games, the most all-time at the time of his retirement and currently second all-time, behind his former player and assistant coach Mike Krzyzewski. Knight is best known as the head coach of the Indiana Hoosiers (1971-2000) and at Army (1965-1971) and Texas Tech (2001-2008)

While at Indiana, Knight led his teams to three NCAA Championships and One NIT Championship. His 1975-76 team went the entire season and 1976 NCAA Tournament without a single loss and remains the only team to accomplish such a feat since. Knight received National Coach of the Year honors four times and Big Ten Coach of the Year honors eight times. In 1984, he coached the USA men’s basketball Olympic Team to USA to a gold medal (Pre-Dream Team era), becoming one of only three basketball coaches to win an NCAA title, NIT title, and an Olympic gold medal.

Knight was one of college basketball's most successful and innovative coaches, having perfected and popularized the motion offense. He has also been praised for running clean programs (none of his teams was ever sanctioned by the NCAA for recruiting violations) and graduating most of his players.

However, Knight has also attracted controversy; he famously threw a chair across the court during a game, was once arrested for assault and regularly displayed a combative nature during encounters with members of the press. Knight remains "the object of near fanatical devotion" from many of his former players and Indiana fans.

By the way, nobody was hurt in the chair-throwing incident (which was completely over-played by the sports media). You can watch it on YouTube.

 

[Briancuse]

By "not wrong" do you mean he was right?



Not sure which is worse or even why that would matter in this discussion.

How much so-called "abuse" was there?

How much cheating and of what type went on?

Does that fact that someone put his hands on a player's neck at practice offset years of outrageous showering of gifts of cars and clothes and paying for abortions?

Who has the official scales of justice so that we can weigh there two things and determine which is worse?

Yes he was right, we only know about the abuse that was made public, but who knows how much went on, we all know how bad his temper was.

 

[Townie72]

Yes he was right, we only know about the abuse that was made public, but who knows how much went on, we all know how bad his temper was.

So since you don't know, it leaves you free to speculate that a lot went on based on your perception of his behavior?

Can you see how flimsy that is as an argument?

In fact, let me go beyond "flimsy". To accuse someone of something that you think he might have done is scurrilous.

 

[Briancuse]

So since you don't know, it leaves you free to speculate that a lot went on based on your perception of his behavior?

Can you see how flimsy that is as an argument?

I know what former players said about him, I believe them.

 

[Townie72]

I know what former players said about him, I believe them.

You mean the druggie, Jadlow, who wrote a book and who now says he supports Bobby Knight?

Good source.

Knight is still qualified to tell the truth about the UCLA program.

That you don't agree is of little consequence.

 

[Briancuse]

You mean the druggie, Jadlow, who wrote a book and who now says he supports Bobby Knight?

Good source.

Knight is still qualified to tell the truth about the UCLA program.

That you don't agree is of little consequence.

Neil Reid?

 

[Townie72]

Neil Reid?

Knight is still qualified to tell the truth about the UCLA program.

That you don't agree is of little consequence.

 

[BuffOrange]

Amazing! You guys have made up a scenario about a imaginary shoe store and you have amnesia over what transpired at UCLA. This was wholesale cheating. Gilbert brought players clothes, cars and even paid for abortions for the girlfriends of players.

Quote from Bill Walton, ""If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny Jerry Tarkanian and his players have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national titles and be on probation for the next 100 years."

Jerry Tarkanian quipped, "The only team with a higher payroll was the Lakers."

The NCAA didn't take action until 1981, by which point Wooden and his ten titles had been retired for six years.

Francessa on Friday said or intimated that Wooden actually stuck the ncaa dogs on Tark because God forbid there be another good team out West. Not sure if that's common knowledge or even right [I realize Mike F. is friends with the Knight/Parcells camp] but really pathetic if that's true.

 

[Townie72]

Francessa on Friday said or intimated that Wooden actually stuck the ncaa dogs on Tark because God forbid there be another good team out West. Not sure if that's common knowledge or even right [I realize Mike . is friends with the Knight/Parcells camp] but really pathetic if that's true.

That's like the Philly Mob telling the FBI that the Jersey Mob needs to be watched.

I think too often that the public equates the NCAA to the FBI.

The FBI is a federal law enforcement agency staffed by professionals with tremendous resources and expertise operating under the US laws.

The NCAA is a bunch of semi-pros attempting to investigate things professionally but operating under a set of rules that no one really seems to understand and that appear to be unevenly applied.

SU gets slammed for a 10-page paper written by an admin aide and UNC can offer entire no-work courses that a lot of athletes took advantage of and this is not a violation of NCAA rules.

It's crazy!

In what Bizarro World does the NCAA have to be told that a basketball program operating in LAS VEGAS (!) run by TARKANIAN (!) needs to be watched.????!

(Sputtering with outrage) I mean the whole freaking State has one principle product ... GAMBLING. For years the Casinos were connected to the Mafia.

In the movie Casablanca it's suggested to the Chief of Police that there just might be some illicit games of chance being played in some of the joints. His (famous) response was, "What? Gambling in Casablanca? I'm shocked!"

I you have never seen the clip it must be on YouTube somewhere. (I think the actor's name was Claude Raines.) Everybody should watch it at least once.