Boeheim's Army vs We Are D3 Gameday...

[oldpinepoint]

I’m on vacation, didnt even know they played. Now back to vacation.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I’m on vacation, didnt even know they played. Now back to vacation.

This is a healthy mindset.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Also, I’m going to say it. Too much double Boeheim. It never worked when both were here. They are more effective not playing with each other. It’s just what most likely the analytics say.

Jimmy played 17 minutes while Buddy had 35 minutes. Doubt either Boeheim had any effect on the other’s play.

We got killed on the boards. 45-30 and our 2 top rebounders were guards, Gilyard and Buddy, each with 5. Love Elijah but only 1 rebound in 31 minutes and 1 for 3 from the free throw line? Our defense - yuck. Why did McCollough just play 17 minutes? He did decide he was a 3 point shooter, missing both his attempts. SU chucked up way too many 3’s, missing many after the first pass and then not rebounding them - SU had 31 to D3’s 19 three point attempts. Buddy and Gilyard both hit 50% from 3 (9 for 18 combined) while the rest of the team was 1 for 13! Nichols was great for them. Agree with Dick in MI’s post above.

Boeheim’s Army box score vs. We Are D3 in TBT

See the numbers from Boeheim's Army's loss to We Are D3 in the second round of The Basketball Tournament on Monday night.

www.syracuse.com

 

[Irishsecra1]

Don’t worry guys, Coach Griff learned from this and will bring his new knowledge to the real season…

Griffin, making his head coaching debut, said he learned some things during the TBT experience. He can store that knowledge, he said, and extract it during Syracuse’s upcoming season.

He can remind players about the perils of hero ball. He can prod them to stay positive when shots don’t fall. He can tell his players that “regardless of how tough it gets, you guys gotta stay together.” He can instill in them the dangers of not getting up for every opponent.

Nothing to worry about.

As for the article, I was hoping to hear from my than Coach and Jimmy. Oh well.

What is frightening to me is what Griffin said he learned from his head coaching stint.
Frankly, I knew this stuff beforehand and I am certainly no coach.
To admit that you learned these things from your TBT experience, and not as an assistant with SU for years, makes me wonder what he has been doing with SU the last few years. And why the team was pretty bad last year..

Missing from his list was the importance of substitutions and lineups. Using consistent lineups that actually makes sense, that addresses the current situation on the court. Autry failed this last year, and Griffen did as well last night.
Hardly using McCollugh in the second half when he was one or the high scorer in the first half.
Not addressing how to stop Nichols - just hoping his shots would stop falling.
I daresay Jim B would have drawn something up. He must have been just dying of frustration sitting there and not able to do anything.

 

[RF2044]

I can't help but feel like the TBT / Boeheim's Army performances are like a microcosm of the rut our program is mired in.

Good talent, people get excited, and then they generally underachieve because of poor roster construction.

Second round losses to a team of D3 PLAYERS, despite tons of talent and the advantage of playing at home?

Wow.

 

[Newhouser]

I can't help but feel like the TBT / Boeheim's Army performances are like a microcosm of the rut our program is mired in.

Good talent, people get excited, and then they generally underachieve because of poor roster construction.

Second round losses to a team of D3 PLAYERS, despite tons of talent and the advantage of playing at home?

Wow.

I think we overrate our talent both with the real team and TBT.
Both teams lack guys who will grind and do the hard work. Easier to jack threes and not defend.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I can't help but feel like the TBT / Boeheim's Army performances are like a microcosm of the rut our program is mired in.

Good talent, people get excited, and then they generally underachieve because of poor roster construction.

Second round losses to a team of D3 PLAYERS, despite tons of talent and the advantage of playing at home?

Wow.

Eh, maybe. But TBT is a flukey single elim tournament of what basically amount to scrimmages. We have seen that teams with some cohesion do well in this setting. Whereas we had guys step off airplanes, not practice, and then get a lot of minutes.

 

[RF2044]

Eh, maybe. But TBT is a flukey single elim tournament of what basically amount to scrimmages. We have seen that teams with some cohesion do well in this setting. Whereas we had guys step off airplanes, not practice, and then get a lot of minutes.

So... you're saying that coaching matters? That having guys who play well together within a structured offensive concept and have cohesion trumps talent?

That's kind of what I mean about this feeling similar.

Again, D3 players.

 

[RedtheGOB]

People here are crazy making comparisons as if there is some sort of connection to what ifs with this team, the players and Griff. Isn't Griff the guy we're sending all over the world and putting on the road traveling 80% of his time watching recruits? Every team needs a guy willing to do that. This gig for him was just that a 2 week gig, someone threw him a bone for doing alot of grinding on the road.

And maybe for once can we just read a puff piece from Syracuse.com without turning it into some big indictment of the program, CNY and everything that went wrong over the last decade.

In case people are wondering why Donna Ditota gets the scoops faster on important things when it matters, it's because she's writing puff pieces right now in July on crap like this that doesn't matter.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I can't help but feel like the TBT / Boeheim's Army performances are like a microcosm of the rut our program is mired in.

Good talent, people get excited, and then they generally underachieve because of poor roster construction.

Second round losses to a team of D3 PLAYERS, despite tons of talent and the advantage of playing at home?

Wow.

Program has stunk for the better part of a decade. Half the TBT team was players off crappy SU squads with a couple well beyond their prime. Result was completely expected.

 

[RyanCuse44]

Too much one-on-one.

That's SU's offense since JB has been there, so why change it smh.

 

[RyanCuse44]

Should have gone old school box and one

And the hair bob

Probably wouldn't have been even better if JB was out there coaching as he would have stayed in the 2-3 zone and let that dude kill us too.

 

[Orangezoo]

People here are crazy making comparisons as if there is some sort of connection to what ifs with this team, the players and Griff. Isn't Griff the guy we're sending all over the world and putting on the road traveling 80% of his time watching recruits? Every team needs a guy willing to do that. This gig for him was just that a 2 week gig, someone threw him a bone for doing alot of grinding on the road.

And maybe for once can we just read a puff piece from Syracuse.com without turning it into some big indictment of the program, CNY and everything that went wrong over the last decade.

In case people are wondering why Donna Ditota gets the scoops faster on important things when it matters, it's because she's writing puff pieces right now in July on crap like this that doesn't matter.

Straughn has been the guy all over the globe this summer I thought . Griff mentioned watching recruits play from his couch on the latest radio interview when talking about taking on this gig.

 

[RyanCuse44]

Griffin is overrated and so is the whole coaching staff. They have accomplished nothing in there whole careers combined coaching mens basketball. Pay up for a real coach and we will finally see change.

The only one I would keep is BS, the other three can go kick rocks.

 

[Orangezoo]

The only one I would keep is BS, the other three can go kick rocks.

DE has been like the man behind the curtain. Has he ever even spoke to a media member or had an article speaking to what he’s doing ? We see him in pictures and mentioned in traveling on recruiting trips but other than that nothing.

 

[23Zone]

Probably wouldn't have been even better if JB was out there coaching as he would have stayed in the 2-3 zone and let that dude kill us too.

What a debacle in every facet of the game. Devo must have been sick to his stomach watching the softness

 

[RF2044]

Program has stunk for the better part of a decade. Half the TBT team was players off crappy SU squads with a couple well beyond their prime. Result was completely expected.

You expected them to lose in the second round, playing at home, to a team comprised of D3 players?

I didn't.

Which is probably more on me than anything. Happy to own that.

I'm just tired of the program [and the broader program, extending to TBT, even if it is peripheral] underachieving to an alarming degree. It's been a LENGTHY decline to this point.

 

[Orangezoo]

You expected them to lose in the second round, playing at home, to a team comprised of D3 players?

I didn't.

Which is probably more on me than anything. Happy to own that.

I'm just tired of the program [and the broader program, extending to TBT, even if it is peripheral] underachieving to an alarming degree. It's been a LENGTHY decline to this point.

This year needs to be the turnaround year. If we fall on our faces again it’s going to be tough to have any reason to jump back into donating money to and paying much attention to the program. Not to mention the fact it’s possible that football is up against it with a brutal schedule and a slight transition with the current roster as Fran keeps building. Hoops needs to step it up and do its part to building more interest and excitement around all the major sports programs.

 

[Hopkins16]

I don’t invest myself in TBT like I once did. The real season wears me down and I can’t afford to get emotionally involved with what is supposed to be a fun get together and a chance to see some old faces. So, since we won a few years ago, that was enough and I’ve stepped back.

I didn’t watch any of the games this year, but I’ve noticed from years past that the tournament is really serious and means a lot to certain players/teams. They come to play and get attention and are really after the money and little known guys want to be able to say they beat some former big name college players. Some guys, whether they play pro overseas or rec leagues locally just seem to have the drive and intensity to win. I recall the early years when Overseas Elite was like a fine well oiled machine that was unstoppable.

The last few times I’ve seen Rak play, he appeared to be in good shape but does he even play much anymore? Malachi when I saw him, seemed out of shape and not very good. Anyway, Griff can now get back early to focusing on the real team this summer with what little he learned from this TBT experience.

 

[Irishsecra1]

What a debacle in every facet of the game. Devo must have been sick to his stomach watching the softness

Actually Devo acted like he was in a daze.
No encouraging the players, no pumping them up.
Most of the time in timeouts and breaks, he just stood there by himself staring into space.
I was in the first row in the stands right behind the bench so I was able to see a lot.
Devo acted like he wanted to find a couch and take a nap.

 

[Dinkyspond]

I wonder what the attendance will be like for the remaining games in Syracuse? Are we talking crickets?

 

[Consigliere]

I can't help but feel like the TBT / Boeheim's Army performances are like a microcosm of the rut our program is mired in.

Good talent, people get excited, and then they generally underachieve because of poor roster construction.

Second round losses to a team of D3 PLAYERS, despite tons of talent and the advantage of playing at home?

Wow.

No longer D3 players. Several with high level European professional experience including Nichols who averaged over 20ppg in FIBA EuroBasket Champions league. Also a couple with D League experience. Not saying they are the Thunder but a solid team with decent talent. They lost to the defending champions in last year’s TBT 70-68 after Nichols went out with an injury in the middle of the third. Really thought Pride was the only defender that gave Nichols trouble and wish we would have saw more of that in the second half.

All in all TBT provides a pleasant diversion for some of us during the summer doldrums. Not going to read anything more into it than that.

 

[RF2044]

No longer D3 players. Several with high level European professional experience including Nichols who averaged over 20ppg in FIBA EuroBasket Champions league. Also a couple with D League experience. Not saying they are the Thunder but a solid team with decent talent. They lost to the defending champions in last year’s TBT 70-68 after Nichols went out with an injury in the middle of the third. Really thought Pride was the only defender that gave Nichols trouble and wish we would have saw more of that in the second half.

All in all TBT provides a pleasant diversion for some of us during the summer doldrums. Not going to read anything more into it than that.

Nichols [just going off the guy you brought up in your post] was formerly a D3 player. And I do not mean that with disrespect to him [he's obviously out-punted the coverage to carve out a professional career], only to point out that their M.I.P. was a D3 guy, who our players couldn't slow down.

Not much of a diversion when you lose in the second round.

Which has happened with frequency, despite the advantage of playing at home.

But thanks for the roster clarification. That almost makes me feel "better" about blowing a double digit second half lead in the loss.

Not asking anyone to read anything into TBT, but the parallel to the program's performance seems apt [to me, anyway].

 

[Eric15]

No longer D3 players. Several with high level European professional experience including Nichols who averaged over 20ppg in FIBA EuroBasket Champions league. Also a couple with D League experience. Not saying they are the Thunder but a solid team with decent talent. They lost to the defending champions in last year’s TBT 70-68 after Nichols went out with an injury in the middle of the third. Really thought Pride was the only defender that gave Nichols trouble and wish we would have saw more of that in the second half.

All in all TBT provides a pleasant diversion for some of us during the summer doldrums. Not going to read anything more into it than that.

Yeah the more I think about it (and this will be my last TBT thought for at least a year) I agree with you. I think the D3 label, while embarrassing on the surface, isnt a particularly meaningful branding of how good the rosters actually are.

 

[Orangezoo]

Not much of a diversion when you lose in the second round.

Which has happened with frequency, despite the advantage of playing at home.

But thanks for the roster clarification. That almost makes me feel "better" about blowing a double digit second half lead in the loss.

Not asking anyone to read anything into TBT, but the parallel seems pretty clear to me.

The Silencer: The story behind the guy who eliminated Boeheim’s Army from the TBT

Ty Nichols, a 6-3 guard who played college ball at D-III Keene (NH) State, scored 36 points to lead We Are D3 past Boeheim's Army.

www.syracuse.com

This is paywalled but one thing that stuck out I’ll share is Nichols said we looked lackadaisical with our perimeter defense and that they could attack that. That’s a cringe comment given what we’ve seen from the actual team even if the connection is purely former players and Griff with basically no practice time.