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Watkins is light years ahead of Landry and a great young Wr, he's going to be a star.
I wouldn't say light years, but whatever. Different debate for a different day. Either way, the bigger point is it was a bad trade. Could have stayed where they were and just took Beckham and kept next years first round draft pick. Not like Watkins is clearly far and above better than Beckham. Not like Watkins is Calvin Johnson or AJ Green or that level of WR...he isn't! They gave up two first round picks for a good WR, not a great one
 
Buffalo needs to grab a big TE to pair with Chandler in the red zone. Watkins-Hogan-Woods all have decent size but they refuse to throw jump balls to Watkins and they don't have anyone they can just throw up top to.
 
I wouldn't say light years, but whatever. Different debate for a different day. Either way, the bigger point is it was a bad trade. Could have stayed where they were and just took Beckham and kept next years first round draft pick. Not like Watkins is clearly far and above better than Beckham. Not like Watkins is Calvin Johnson or AJ Green or that level of WR...he isn't! They gave up two first round picks for a good WR, not a great one
I absolutely think Watkins can become AJ Green.
 
longislandcuse said:
Buffalo needs to grab a big TE to pair with Chandler in the red zone. Watkins-Hogan-Woods all have decent size but they refuse to throw jump balls to Watkins and they don't have anyone they can just throw up top to. I think that's a huge problem in the red zone.
Chandler stinks he doesn't need to play any more
 
longislandcuse said:
I absolutely think Watkins can become AJ Green.
They still only go as far as dalton takes them
 
I wouldn't say light years, but whatever. Different debate for a different day. Either way, the bigger point is it was a bad trade. Could have stayed where they were and just took Beckham and kept next years first round draft pick. Not like Watkins is clearly far and above better than Beckham. Not like Watkins is Calvin Johnson or AJ Green or that level of WR...he isn't! They gave up two first round picks for a good WR, not a great one

Watkins will be a stud. I have no problem with it.
 
We need a good HC, a good OC and a good QB. Those are the only 3 spots preventing this team from going to the playoffs. I'm ready to see what Manuel has the rest of the way as Orton proved he's a backup. Hell, I'd love to see Schwartz take over the team so I don't have to watch Hacketts idiotic calls and Marrone looking like he OD'ed on Zoloft.

Just need a good HC there are about 15 or so of those in the world, a good QB again 15 if you are being generous, and a good OC probably more attainable. You guys have a long way to go because you and 8 other teams are a good HC, QB, and OC away from being good
 
Don't mind bad judgement calls

MANUFACTURED bad judgement calls are the reason/symptom that this league is absolutely rigged

Lucy Van Pelt has said since the 60's that the NFL is part of an Eastern Syndicate...you know.
 
I'm so glad I'm a Patriots fan reading this cathartic thread. Warms my heart to have competent ownership, excellent coaching and a transcendent quarterback. It's the ying to my Syracuse rooting yang. I genuinely feel bad for Buffalo fans b/c that is 1980s Patriots football. Doug Marrone is your Ron Meyer. Gotta hope that you find your Raymond Berry and pull yourself back into the playoffs some year.
 
Watkins will be a stud. I have no problem with it.
eric moulds was a stud. andre johnson is a stud. brandon marshall is a stud. none of it matters without a QB and a smart coach

watkins is open, mario williams was dominant, dareus is great and none of it matters because their qb isn't good enough and their coach isn't smart enough
 
How this new Bills owner can keep any of the people in charge of the football operations I would find baffling at this point. They have totally screwed up the last 2 drafts. You draft EJ Manuel in Rd 1...then just bench him after a 2-2 start this year. All young QB's go through rough patches, you ride it out and stick with them. Miami did it with Tannehill for a few years and look at him now, no he isn't a world beater or an elite QB but he is pretty darn good and its beginning to pay off. Jax is doing it with Bortles now. The Raiders with Carr currently. Gotta let the kid take his lumps to see if he is "the guy"...benching him just prolongs the inevitable of finding out whether he can play or not. Then they gave up a future first round pick for Watkins in a draft deep with WR's. Which will hurt them going into next offseason. Brandon/Whaley/Marrone have made some bad decisions the past 2 years and have messed up 2 drafts and are getting no results from their early round picks.
 
I'm pretty close to giving up following football. The two teams I follow most closely don't have a quarterback between them and don't have a head coach either.
 
How this new Bills owner can keep any of the people in charge of the football operations I would find baffling at this point. They have totally screwed up the last 2 drafts. You draft EJ Manuel in Rd 1...then just bench him after a 2-2 start this year. All young QB's go through rough patches, you ride it out and stick with them. Miami did it with Tannehill for a few years and look at him now, no he isn't a world beater or an elite QB but he is pretty darn good and its beginning to pay off. Jax is doing it with Bortles now. The Raiders with Carr currently. Gotta let the kid take his lumps to see if he is "the guy"...benching him just prolongs the inevitable of finding out whether he can play or not. Then they gave up a future first round pick for Watkins in a draft deep with WR's. Which will hurt them going into next offseason. Brandon/Whaley/Marrone have made some bad decisions the past 2 years and have messed up 2 drafts and are getting no results from their early round picks.

As a Miami fan, I was against the Tannehill draft selection. At the time, he seemed like the third best QB in a draft with two "sure things" at QB in Luck / RGIII [and obviously, Griffin's status is still uncertain]. I thought it was a reach at the time, taken by a team desperate for a starting QB.

Instead, he's looked quite capable from the beginning. He lacked weapons his first year, but despite the natural growing pains / rough patches that you describe, in the main he accorded himself well. Started out great last year [again, without a great running game or tons of receiving talent], but the season got derailed by the OL issues / scandal around mid-season, and he got sacked a TON over the second half of the year. Amazingly, the team somehow rallied and nearly made the playoffs... only to completely sh-t the bed the last two games.

This year, with an upgraded receiving corps and an improved OL, to say nothing of a new offensive concept, Tannehill looks great. I'm not sure that he's elite in the sense that Rogers, Brees, Brady, are elite--but there is no doubt in my mind that he can be a top 10 QB in this league. Especially as they continue to add pieces of the puzzle around what is shaping up to be a good offense.

Sky's the limit from here on out with Tannehill. And I understand the Bills fans' pain all too well--because post-Marino, we went through about 23 ineffectual starting QBs, always trying to catch lightning in a bottle with some washed up veteran. It is a much different situation when you go into a season or a draft knowing that your QB situation is solid, and that you can expect above average play instead of desperately turning over every rock in search of a serviceable alternative.
 
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Chandler stinks he doesn't need to play any more
We need someone with size in the red zone but then again I have no clue what plays we run when we get down there. They either don't work or when they do, the QB screws it up with a bad read
Just need a good HC there are about 15 or so of those in the world, a good QB again 15 if you are being generous, and a good OC probably more attainable. You guys have a long way to go because you and 8 other teams are a good HC, QB, and OC away from being good
I didn't say great. Solid/Good and we don't need all 3. Give me a solid/good HC, OC or QB and the Bills are in the Playoffs.

Or for the love of God bring in a big playmaking Tight End so we don't suck in the Red Zone.
 
i watched usc/cal first half and then switched over to catch miami buffalo second half.
two things i took away from last night.
1. USC's nelson agholor is one helluva receiver. what a weapon!
2. buffalo's qb kyle orton absolutely sucks
 
My only hope for optimism is that I think Buffalo will resign everyone they need to on the defensive side of the ball so this defense will come back next year as it was this year plus Kiko.

I liked Marrone early on and defended Hackett when he had EJ but with 2 QB's the offense has look continuously awful with the same issues game in/game out. Red Zone, it's been an issue all season. We can move the ball all game but can't score TD's. That needs to change and for that reason I would like Hackett to be shown the door and a real OC brought in.

The offensive line seems to be getting better and they are very young so I see some potential there. I like the backfield of Brown/Dixon/FJax so I don't care what happens with Spiller. I like Watkins-Woods-Hogan-Goodwin and they are young and will only get better. The QB situation is what it is Orton/EJ is extremely mediocre but I think they can lead a playoff team given better scheme and playcalling. I dont know if there is a move to be made at QB for next year given our situation.

We NEED to use our second round pick or make a splash in FA on a big playmaking Tight End. We need someone to be a big target in the Red Zone besides Chandler. That, and better red zone playcalling/scheme could be the difference between sitting at 5-5 on the outside looking in or 7-3 in command of a playoff spot.

Next year:
-Resign everyone on defense
-Bring in a big playmaking TE
-Fire Hackett and bring in a real OC
-If there is a move to be made, make it in regards to QB. If not, give Orton/EJ a shot with a real TE and better OC.

Those moves, I believe make us a playoff contender. However its a crapshoot, we're a playoff caliber team this year and are sitting at 5-5 in an extremely strong AFC.
 
My only hope for optimism is that I think Buffalo will resign everyone they need to on the defensive side of the ball so this defense will come back next year as it was this year plus Kiko.

I liked Marrone early on and defended Hackett when he had EJ but with 2 QB's the offense has look continuously awful with the same issues game in/game out. Red Zone, it's been an issue all season. We can move the ball all game but can't score TD's. That needs to change and for that reason I would like Hackett to be shown the door and a real OC brought in.

The offensive line seems to be getting better and they are very young so I see some potential there. I like the backfield of Brown/Dixon/FJax so I don't care what happens with Spiller. I like Watkins-Woods-Hogan-Goodwin and they are young and will only get better. The QB situation is what it is Orton/EJ is extremely mediocre but I think they can lead a playoff team given better scheme and playcalling. I dont know if there is a move to be made at QB for next year given our situation.

We NEED to use our second round pick or make a splash in FA on a big playmaking Tight End. We need someone to be a big target in the Red Zone besides Chandler. That, and better red zone playcalling/scheme could be the difference between sitting at 5-5 on the outside looking in or 7-3 in command of a playoff spot.

Next year:
-Resign everyone on defense
-Bring in a big playmaking TE
-Fire Hackett and bring in a real OC
-If there is a move to be made, make it in regards to QB. If not, give Orton/EJ a shot with a real TE and better OC.

Those moves, I believe make us a playoff contender. However its a crapshoot, we're a playoff caliber team this year and are sitting at 5-5 in an extremely strong AFC.

Good post agree with pretty much everything you said. Right now I think Marrone is 50/50 on whether the Pegula's bring him back. A good finish or at least a strong performance will probably give him another year but I dont see anyway that Hackett survives. Really hope we spend the $ necessary to bring back most of the D they really good right now and really just need an infusion of a CB and or Safety to take it to an elite level.

The lack of a 1st round pick next year is WAY overblown. Buffalo has had a first round pick nearly every year of the 15+ year playoff drought so how much can not having one really hurt? I believe we will have an extra 3rd or 4th round pick from the Stevie Johnson trade so we should have the ability to get a few high end guys despite the lack of a 1st round pick. Going to be critical Buffalo gets a TE, CB/Safety, and depending on CJ and Fred a young RB wouldnt hurt either. Obviously a QB would be great but not sure theres goign to be much left by the second round and at that point your almost always better off filling a need elsewhere.
 
Good post agree with pretty much everything you said. Right now I think Marrone is 50/50 on whether the Pegula's bring him back. A good finish or at least a strong performance will probably give him another year but I dont see anyway that Hackett survives. Really hope we spend the $ necessary to bring back most of the D they really good right now and really just need an infusion of a CB and or Safety to take it to an elite level.

The lack of a 1st round pick next year is WAY overblown. Buffalo has had a first round pick nearly every year of the 15+ year playoff drought so how much can not having one really hurt? I believe we will have an extra 3rd or 4th round pick from the Stevie Johnson trade so we should have the ability to get a few high end guys despite the lack of a 1st round pick. Going to be critical Buffalo gets a TE, CB/Safety, and depending on CJ and Fred a young RB wouldnt hurt either. Obviously a QB would be great but not sure theres goign to be much left by the second round and at that point your almost always better off filling a need elsewhere.
they have been too stupid to use them on QBs. pegula is smart enough to let Manuel scare them off from doing it again. it would be different this time around but brandon let them give up everything for a catcher
 
I'm so glad I'm a Patriots fan reading this cathartic thread. Warms my heart to have competent ownership, excellent coaching and a transcendent quarterback. It's the ying to my Syracuse rooting yang. I genuinely feel bad for Buffalo fans b/c that is 1980s Patriots football. Doug Marrone is your Ron Meyer. Gotta hope that you find your Raymond Berry and pull yourself back into the playoffs some year.

Enjoy it while it lasts. Brady is not immortal and the clock's ticking.

We'll see how warm your heart is in 4 years when a younger QB is asked to do what Brady has been asked to do with lesser talent.
 
The Bills seriously get jobbed every week.
It's not like they're the only team that gets called for phantom PI - it happens.
But how does Mike Carey have the balls to insult everyone's intelligence like he's speaking to a British audience? If that's the right call then you also have to acknowledge there are fifty grounding calls missed every single Sunday. That call is never made.

Week 1 - offensive holding flag picked up on Chicago (never seen this before?)
Week 4 - Robert Woods is mugged 20yds downfield on game-ending int on what would've been routine PI in 1971.
Week 5 - A combo of the first two in Detroit; Watkins mugged, flag mysteriously picked up.
Week 6 - Successive phantom OPI's vs NE when it's a 9pt game.
Week 7 - Orton somehow throws for ~150yds on game-winning drive vs Vikes (maybe some of those penalties were legit?)
Week 10 - Chandler phantom OPI, one play later Hogan is destroyed by KC DB 17yds out of bounds on Bills bench, no flag.

Is this real life? If refs are human and screw every team, what calls have the Bills gotten this year? Only two plays of significance I can think of are the Vick taunting flag @NJ and Sammy's TD in the 1st Miami game may not have been & wasn't reviewed. But JFC.

On the plus side this seals Saint Doug's fate. I hope the Pegulas won't be discouraged from hiring a college coach; just need one that isn't stuck in 1973. Or Harbaugh would work too.
 
Reliving last night's misery reading this thread. O-line completely fell apart as the game went on; have to put a lot of that on Marrone. The punt inside the 50 was pathetic and it's even worse that everyone knew it was coming. Those 2 calls were ridiculous and had a big impact on the result.
 
they have been too stupid to use them on QBs. pegula is smart enough to let Manuel scare them off from doing it again. it would be different this time around but brandon let them give up everything for a catcher

They only lost 1 first round pick, you act like Buffalo wont have a 1st round pick for the next decade. I know you hate Manuel but they have finally assembled competent talent at most positions, the LB core is good the D line is great with good depth, ditto the Wr's and even the O line is finally coming around. They gave up a 1st round pick for an elite WR lets see how it plays out over the next couple of years.
 
The Bills seriously get jobbed every week.
It's not like they're the only team that gets called for phantom PI - it happens.
But how does Mike Carey have the balls to insult everyone's intelligence like he's speaking to a British audience? If that's the right call then you also have to acknowledge there are fifty grounding calls missed every single Sunday. That call is never made.

Week 1 - offensive holding flag picked up on Chicago (never seen this before?)
Week 4 - Robert Woods is mugged 20yds downfield on game-ending int on what would've been routine PI in 1971.
Week 5 - A combo of the first two in Detroit; Watkins mugged, flag mysteriously picked up.
Week 6 - Successive phantom OPI's vs NE when it's a 9pt game.
Week 7 - Orton somehow throws for ~150yds on game-winning drive vs Vikes (maybe some of those penalties were legit?)
Week 10 - Chandler phantom OPI, one play later Hogan is destroyed by KC DB 17yds out of bounds on Bills bench, no flag.

Is this real life? If refs are human and screw every team, what calls have the Bills gotten this year? Only two plays of significance I can think of are the Vick taunting flag @NJ and Sammy's TD in the 1st Miami game may not have been & wasn't reviewed. But JFC.

On the plus side this seals Saint Doug's fate. I hope the Pegulas won't be discouraged from hiring a college coach; just need one that isn't stuck in 1973. Or Harbaugh would work too.
I went from just being annoyed at officiating to going fullblown tinfoil hat and thinking they are actually corrupt.

Every controversial call in every game goes against us. It's not just something that should be ignored.
 
They only lost 1 first round pick, you act like Buffalo wont have a 1st round pick for the next decade. I know you hate Manuel but they have finally assembled competent talent at most positions, the LB core is good the D line is great with good depth, ditto the Wr's and even the O line is finally coming around. They gave up a 1st round pick for an elite WR lets see how it plays out over the next couple of years.
all that stuff is worthless without a QB

they'll draft one in 2016. then maybe by 2017 or 2018 he'll be good. at which point a lot of their current talent will be old
 
Should we start EJ or try to win the next two games with Orton and let the chips fall where they may if we somehow end up 7-5?

The way Orton has been playing, I don't think EJ can be any worse. Orton looked fantastic in his first few games but these last two have been horrific. That overthrow to Watkins in the 4th was the icing on the cake after missing TD after TD against KC and sucking again vs Miami.
 

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