Brent vs Jim interview

[sufandu]

If GMac is taller, it’s by like a half inch. You might think he looked quicker, I don’t. Joe is the more athletic one from what I’ve seen. Dunking is hardly the end all and be all of athleticism, but Joe can dunk in ideal circumstances (barely). In ideal circumstances, GMac could not. Not scientific, but at least as good as “idk, I saw GMac move around a lot.”

GMac’s handle was maybe a little better, but not appreciably. Statistically, he didn’t protect the ball any better than Joe does. GMac was not getting by defenders with any regularity and Joe isn’t wholly incapable of dribbling by defenders.

GMac couldn't dunk? So that article I read that said he caught Mike Hopkins' eye at a camp by dunking with two hands during warmups was lying?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Context: None of the arguments about Joe not being a PG have had anything to do with his shooting. His shooting has been knocked, but that’s a separate debate from his ability as a PG.

So, to compare him to GMac as a PG it made sense to strip away shooting (since shooting isn’t in the argument for Joe as a PG). That’s it.

Theoretically, a PG who can’t do PG things well is a SG. That’s the argument for Joe being a SG. If Joe is a SG by that argument, then GMac was a SG. GMac being a better shooter further solidifies the argument that GMac was a SG playing PG.

GMac was a better player than Joe is.

I’m assuming you weren’t following the pages of this garbage debate we’ve all been having

I just don't consider it a valid argument to 'strip away shooting' when you're comparing PGs. Similarly, i wouldn't strip away passing or defense. Both GMac and Joe play(ed) the PG role. "Ability as a PG" includes shooting, with a weight variable that depends on other factors.

 

[dasher]

Given the circumstances, his pass to Devendorf for the game winning layup against Georgetown might be the best pass in SU history?

Wallace to Jason against Ga in the NCAA?

 

[Brooky03]

I just don't consider it a valid argument to 'strip away shooting' when you're comparing PGs. Similarly, i wouldn't strip away passing or defense. Both GMac and Joe play(ed) the PG role. "Ability as a PG" includes shooting, with a weight variable that depends on other factors.

Shooting is a part of all positions in basketball. I’m not comparing the two as players. GMac was the better player, period.

The skills that separate a PG from a SG are the skills I was comparing. They’re the only skills it makes sense to compare in the context of the argument at hand. Those skills specifically, are just about equal.

This argument makes sense: Gerry McNamara was better than Joe Girard because Gerry McNamara shot better.

This argument doesn’t make sense: Gerry McNamara is more of a PG than Joe Girard is because Gerry shot better.

If somebody thinks Joe Girard is a SG and not a PG then they are necessitated to think GMac was a SG and not a PG. If somebody thinks Joe sucks and shouldn’t play, they’re not necessitated to think GMac sucked and couldn’t play.

I would rather have Gerry McNamara as my PG. This is true because he shoots better. It also is unrelated to the debate about Joe Girard being able to play PG.

 

[OrangeDW]

From an old article:

Gerry McNamara fits just about every profile of that overused stereotype of the "overachieving gym rat." Shot jumper after jumper with Dad after practice growing up. Stands in the 6-foot range. Hard-nosed point guard. And, yes, he's a white kid with a buzz cut. Except a couple of things smash that stereotype: McNamara is ridiculously gifted, and basketball hardly is his full-time obsession.

Hopkins likens McNamara's ability to push the ball to that of Chicago Bulls rookie and former Connecticut star Ben Gordon. And anyone who has seen McNamara throw down a reverse alley-oop dunk in practice wouldn't question his hops. He is called a "natural," by both his dad and Hopkins, who uses two movie references to make his point.

"Gerry is like Roy Hobbs," Hopkins says. "Whatever he wants to do, he does. If you taught him pingpong, within a week he'd beat Forrest Gump.

"Other coaches, whenever they sign a 5-11, 6-foot white guy, they'll tell me, 'I think he can be a lot like McNamara,' and I'm like, 'You just don't understand. He's a once-in-a-lifetime player.' "​

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Shooting is a part of all positions in basketball. I’m not comparing the two as players. GMac was the better player, period.

The skills that separate a PG from a SG are the skills I was comparing. They’re the only skills it makes sense to compare in the context those skills specifically, are just about equal. Their 3 point shooting is separated by like 3 percentage points.

This argument makes sense: Gerry McNamara was better than Joe Girard because Gerry McNamara shot better.

This argument doesn’t make sense: Gerry McNamara is more of a PG than Joe Girard is because Gerry shot better.

If somebody thinks Joe Girard is a SG and not a PG then they are necessitated to think GMac was a SG and not a PG. If somebody thinks Joe sucks and shouldn’t play, they’re not necessitates to think GMac sucked and couldn’t play.

It's not that simple that you can isolate one characteristic/factor of the game.

It doesn't matter what position each player is better-suited to play—they both play/ed PG.

Stop putting standardized test statements into forum threads. [Blue is to Color as Circle is to Shape. A Square is a Rectangle, but a Rectangle is not a Square.] They are not fun.

: - /

 

[Brooky03]

GMac couldn't dunk? So that article I read that said he caught Mike Hopkins' eye at a camp by dunking with two hands during warmups was lying?

Maybe? IDK. I know he never dunked in a game and the story I had always heard was that he got stuffed by the rim at practice/warmups.

Send me the article. Maybe he could dunk. RF referenced a picture of him dunking that I would love to frame in my office.

 

[Brooky03]

It's not that simple that you can isolate one characteristic/factor of the game.

It doesn't matter what position each player is better-suited to play—they both play/ed PG.

Stop putting standardized test statements into forum threads. [Blue is to Color as Circle is to Shape. A Square is a Rectangle, but a Rectangle is not a Square.] They are not fun.

: - /

I’m not even sure what you are trying to convey at this point. Other people argued that Joe can’t play PG. Logically, that means GMac shouldn’t have been playing PG, because there are stats that separate a PG from all other positions and SG, specifically. Shooting is not one of those stats. And Joe and GMac are effectively equal in those stats.

When evaluating a PGs ability as a player, you look at all of the stats, including shooting. When evaluating a player’s ability to play a position you look at the traits specific to that position.

 

[Brooky03]

Player 1: I can’t shoot and I can’t pass.
Coach: You can’t play PG.

Player 2: I can’t shoot but I can pass.
Coach: You can play PG.

Player 3: I can shoot, and I can pass as well as Player 2.
Coach: You’re our starting PG.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I’m not even sure what you are trying to convey at this point. Other people argued that Joe can’t play PG. Logically, that means GMac shouldn’t have been playing PG, because there are stats that separate a PG from all other positions and SG, specifically. Shooting is not one of those stats. And Joe and GMac are effectively equal in those stats.

When evaluating a PGs ability as a player, you look at all of the stats, including shooting. When evaluating a player’s ability to play a position you look at the traits specific to that position.

I'm not discussing what other people are saying. Only the statements that You are making, whether they're in rebuttal to them or not. I just disagree with some of your assertions in your individual posts. It's not personal—i just like debating logic.

But, fuggedaboudit. Have a good weekend.

: )

 

[RF2044]

From an old article:

Gerry McNamara fits just about every profile of that overused stereotype of the "overachieving gym rat." Shot jumper after jumper with Dad after practice growing up. Stands in the 6-foot range. Hard-nosed point guard. And, yes, he's a white kid with a buzz cut. Except a couple of things smash that stereotype: McNamara is ridiculously gifted, and basketball hardly is his full-time obsession.

Hopkins likens McNamara's ability to push the ball to that of Chicago Bulls rookie and former Connecticut star Ben Gordon. And anyone who has seen McNamara throw down a reverse alley-oop dunk in practice wouldn't question his hops. He is called a "natural," by both his dad and Hopkins, who uses two movie references to make his point.

"Gerry is like Roy Hobbs," Hopkins says. "Whatever he wants to do, he does. If you taught him pingpong, within a week he'd beat Forrest Gump.

"Other coaches, whenever they sign a 5-11, 6-foot white guy, they'll tell me, 'I think he can be a lot like McNamara,' and I'm like, 'You just don't understand. He's a once-in-a-lifetime player.' "​

Did the rim stuff his dunk attempts every time? Asking for a friend.

 

[Brooky03]

I'm not discussing what other people are saying. Only the statements that You are making, whether they're in rebuttal to them or not. I just disagree with some of your assertions in your individual posts. It's not personal—i just like debating logic.

But, fuggedaboudit. Have a good weekend.

: )

Nothing taken personally. As you said, fughedaboudit.

 

[Brooky03]

Did the rim stuff his dunk attempts every time? Asking for a friend.

edit: GMac dunked against Siena in ‘04

lol go figure. Nice

Girard is still the better athlete. Looks faster. Might be because of HD though.

 

[RF2044]

edit: GMac dunked against Siena in ‘04

lol go figure. Nice

Girard is still the better athlete. Looks faster. Might be because of HD though.

Well, feel free to update your screensaver.

And you're 100% wrong about Girard being a better athlete. No offense to Joe.

 

[dasher]

“You won’t even call him even though the nepotism point has now be said out loud.”,

what? and who is “you” from above?

The you if I'm not mistaken is Alsacs talking about CR. Not you

 

[Brooky03]

Well, feel free to update your screensaver.

And you're 100% wrong about Girard being a better athlete. No offense to Joe.

No offense to GMac or you, Joe looks like the better athlete.

 

[dasher]

GMac was not nearly as quick as you are suggesting. Joe is not nearly as slow as you are suggesting.

G-mac was quicker than Joe. It really isn't all that close.

 

[dasher]

No offense to GMac or you, Joe looks like the better athlete.

You can make the argument that Joe was a terrific high school qb and you would be right. But I believe G-mac was much quicker.

 

[RF2044]

No offense to GMac or you, Joe looks like the better athlete.

And according to you, anecdotally GMAC got blocked by the riim and couldn't dunk. No offense, but if your eye test sucks, why should I put any stock in your opinion?

I'm seeing a pattern.

 

[dasher]

I have the Texas and kansas games from '03 I have never seen Joe move like Gerry did in those two games.

 

[Brooky03]

G-mac was quicker than Joe. It really isn't all that close.

Joe is quicker than GMac. It really isn’t all that close.

this is fun

 

[OrangeDW]

Joe is quicker than GMac. It really isn’t all that close.

this is fun

lol. It’s everybody against you on that one. Everybody must be wrong though.

 

[Brooky03]

And according to you, anecdotally GMAC got blocked by the riim and couldn't dunk. No offense, but if your eye test sucks, why should I put any stock in your opinion?

I'm seeing a pattern.

Pretty sure I mentioned twice that it was a story relayed to me. I was wrong about Gerry being able to dunk. Sue me, lol.

Leave that other nonsense out. Not a great look.

 

[Brooky03]

lol. It’s everybody against you on that one. Everybody must be wrong though.

Would not be the first time.

 

[RF2044]

Pretty sure I mentioned twice that it was a story relayed to me. I was wrong about Gerry being able to dunk. Sue me, lol.

Leave that other nonsense out. Not a great look.

"Not a great look" to call out completely unsubstantiated BS, and offer the correct information?

You've chosen an odd hill to die on in this thread.