Brent vs Jim interview

[Brooky03]

TS%.

I mean, the difference was enormous. You can’t really just say, well ok other than THAT they were the same.

I’m not comparing them as players... I’m comparing them as PGs. The argument is that Joe is not a PG because he can’t do PG things. I’m pointing out every stat that shows he does PG things as well as Gerry did through his sophomore year.

How did I possibly lose you?

 

[Fat tire 13]

Well, whoever has it needs to send it to me.

 

[Brooky03]

Oh sweet, a play I’ve seen Joe make before (dump off to big man for dunk).

Sooooo, you’re on my side now?

 

[OrangeDW]

I’m not comparing them as players... I’m comparing them as PGs. The argument is that Joe is not a PG because he can’t do PG things. I’m pointing out every stat that shows he does PG things as well as Gerry did through his sophomore year.

Hiw did I possibly lose you?

Why did Hughes bring the ball up against man to man pressure all year last year? Did Carmelo bring the ball up in 03?

 

[Brooky03]

Why did Hughes bring the ball up against man to man pressure all year last year? Did Carmelo bring the ball up in 03?

Hughes was a good ballhandler and being a SG/SF tweener, had the advantage over SFs guarding him.

Yes, Carmelo would bring the ball up, pretty much whenever he felt like doing so. No, GMac didn’t beat full court presses by himself like Superman. We’d often have another ballhandling guard on the court and they’d often beat the press the right way, with passing.

 

[OrangeDW]

Hughes was a good ballhandler and being a SG/SF tweener, had the advantage over SFs guarding him.

Yes, Carmelo would bring the ball up, pretty much whenever he felt like doing so. No, GMac didn’t beat full court presses by himself like Superman. We’d often have another ballhandling guard on the court and they’d often beat the press the right way, with passing.

I wasn’t talking about beating zone presses by passing. I was talking about bringing it up one on one against extended man to man.

We had to have Carmelo bring it up in ‘03?

 

[Brooky03]

I wasn’t talking about beating zone presses by passing. I was talking about bringing it up one on one against extended man to man.

We had to have Carmelo bring it up in ‘03?

We didn’t have to have Carmelo bring it up. We didn’t have to have Eli bring it up.

Eli is a better ballhandler in that setting than Carmelo was. Would Carmelo have been fine in that role? Yeah. He’s Carmelo. But Eli’s advantage dribbling in the open court against SFs was gigantic. From a coaching standpoint, why wouldn’t you use that?

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

Given the circumstances, his pass to Devendorf for the game winning layup against Georgetown might be the best pass in SU history?

That’s certainly up there, but I’m going with Wallace’s cross-court inbound (with a defender in his face) to Cipolla for the corner 3 to send it to OT vs UGA in ‘96. The difficulty & precise timing of that pass aren’t talked about nearly enough.

 

[MikeSU02]

McNamara was a senior in 2006, you dope

Sweet, name calling. I'm sure you're a pillar of the community.

GMac had an RSCI ranking of 38 and was basically a tier below McDonald's level player and was a parade AA. JGIII was not.

GMac, for career averages, scores more per game, assists more per game, has better FG and 3PT%s.

GMac has higher career assist %. Has a higher WS/40. Higher eFG%, higher TS%.

GMac was the more efficient and more productive player. That is what you want at the PG position. This is nothing to say of being a clutch player when it came to big time shots.

GMac is third in career total assists in the history of Syracuse. He is second in total steals.

JGIII is a SG masquerading as a PG. If you're PG is as inefficient as JGIII, you don't have a PG.

If you look at my post history, you will know I'm not some insane GMac fanboy. I would honestly just assume you're trolling at this point just because you're bored.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I can't believe I read all six pages thinking that there was something interesting in here.

I mean it's interesting to watch posters turn into one-dimensional trolls. Well, at least until April when that dimension turns into "there's no way Griffin and Guerrier are ready to go the NBA."

 

[djcon57]

Sweet, name calling. I'm sure you're a pillar of the community.

GMac had an RSCI ranking of 38 and was basically a tier below McDonald's level player and was a parade AA. JGIII was not.

GMac, for career averages, scores more per game, assists more per game, has better FG and 3PT%s.

GMac has higher career assist %. Has a higher WS/40. Higher eFG%, higher TS%.

GMac was the more efficient and more productive player. That is what you want at the PG position. This is nothing to say of being a clutch player when it came to big time shots.

GMac is third in career total assists in the history of Syracuse. He is second in total steals.

JGIII is a SG masquerading as a PG. If you're PG is as inefficient as JGIII, you don't have a PG.

If you look at my post history, you will know I'm not some insane GMac fanboy. I would honestly just assume you're trolling at this point just because you're bored.

But can he dunk?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Huh?? Where?

I’ve never seen that.
Link?

We only ever saw Andy Rautins dunk in a game that one time (and it was basically on a dare/bet w a teammate).

Can Buddy dunk?
He’s certainly tall enough.

Major.
Hops.

 

[Brooky03]

Sweet, name calling. I'm sure you're a pillar of the community.

GMac had an RSCI ranking of 38 and was basically a tier below McDonald's level player and was a parade AA. JGIII was not.

GMac, for career averages, scores more per game, assists more per game, has better FG and 3PT%s.

GMac has higher career assist %. Has a higher WS/40. Higher eFG%, higher TS%.

GMac was the more efficient and more productive player. That is what you want at the PG position. This is nothing to say of being a clutch player when it came to big time shots.

GMac is third in career total assists in the history of Syracuse. He is second in total steals.

JGIII is a SG masquerading as a PG. If you're PG is as inefficient as JGIII, you don't have a PG.

If you look at my post history, you will know I'm not some insane GMac fanboy. I would honestly just assume you're trolling at this point just because you're bored.

GMac, per the numbers, was as much a PG as Joe is. Both are/were SGs masquerading as PGs, which was sort of my point. Comparing GMac’s career numbers, which obviously includes his upperclassman numbers, to Joe’s numbers as a freshman and sophomore is obviously not apples to apples. Upperclassmen tend to be better than underclassmen.

GMac’s shooting is irrelevant to the argument of PG skills. Joe is considered not to be a PG because he supposedly lacks PG skills, not because he can’t shoot. In fact, the argument that he’s more of a SG is because of the idea that all he can do is catch and shoot.

Your move... butt head (am I a delinquent now for saying butt head?)

 

[SWC75]

I think you need to go rewatch some GMac. I did the other day when that 03 ND game was on. He was all over the court, and could go by people.

IMO he at least looked a little taller than Joe. Definitely quicker, better handle, and basically at least moderately better at probably every skill.

You’re talking about probably a top 5 SU PG of all time like he’s the same as Girard? Cmon.

Gerry, Trevor and Joe | Syracusefan.com

 

[SWC75]

My kingdom for a baby hook, and a kick out off a double down low.

Or a two man game between the bigs.

 

[Brooky03]

Gerry, Trevor and Joe | Syracusefan.com

Amen

... and Awoman

 

[MikeSU02]

GMac, per the numbers, was as much a PG as Joe is. Both are/were SGs masquerading as PGs, which was sort of my point. Comparing GMac’s career numbers, which obviously includes his upperclassman numbers, to Joe’s numbers as a freshman and sophomore is obviously not apples to apples. Upperclassmen tend to be better than underclassmen.

GMac’s shooting is irrelevant to the argument of PG skills. Joe is considered not to be a PG because he supposedly lacks PG skills, not because he can’t shoot. In fact, the argument that he’s more of a SG is because of the idea that all he can do is catch and shoot.

Your move... butt head (am I a delinquent now for saying butt head?)

If you can send me JGIII's NBA scouting report to compare notes on the two that would be great.

GMac was more efficient his early years because JB asked him to carry a heavier load in his later years, especially his senior year, when it probably should have been DNic as our #1 scoring option and not GMac.

"per the numbers" means nothing in the way you use it. You have no numbers. Show me and we can talk. I had numbers.

Shooting is not irrelevant to the PG position.

The numbers, both normal and advanced, go for GMac. The evaluation before they ever set foot in a college basketball game favor GMac.

JGIII has never been, is not now and will never be at the level of GMac at PG. Or at SG for that matter. Or, in general, on a basketball court.

GMac may not have been an NBA player, but he is way better than JGIII.

Do you think if you called and asked JB if we had GMac on this team, would GMac or JGIII start, his true answer would be "you know, it's a push". Of course not.

 

[SWC75]

gotta assume Fab, Rak, and DaJuan Coleman all had “you’ll start as a freshman” recruiting promises made to them, because they were all token starters that first year.

I wondered if starting a big who wasn't actually ready and then pulling them was a way of making sure they got playing time to help their development. It may be too late in the season to do that now as they are all basically 'must wins', but why not do that to begin the season?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

GMac, per the numbers, was as much a PG as Joe is. Both are/were SGs masquerading as PGs, which was sort of my point. Comparing GMac’s career numbers, which obviously includes his upperclassman numbers, to Joe’s numbers as a freshman and sophomore is obviously not apples to apples. Upperclassmen tend to be better than underclassmen.

GMac’s shooting is irrelevant to the argument of PG skills. Joe is considered not to be a PG because he supposedly lacks PG skills, not because he can’t shoot. In fact, the argument that he’s more of a SG is because of the idea that all he can do is catch and shoot.

Your move... butt head (am I a delinquent now for saying butt head?)

Kinda relies, though, on Joe's trajectory trending upward through the end of his collegiate career. But, last year may have been the peak.

 

[Brooky03]

If you can send me JGIII's NBA scouting report to compare notes on the two that would be great.

GMac was more efficient his early years because JB asked him to carry a heavier load in his later years, especially his senior year, when it probably should have been DNic as our #1 scoring option and not GMac.

"per the numbers" means nothing in the way you use it. You have no numbers. Show me and we can talk. I had numbers.

Shooting is not irrelevant to the PG position.

The numbers, both normal and advanced, go for GMac. The evaluation before they ever set foot in a college basketball game favor GMac.

JGIII has never been, is not now and will never be at the level of GMac at PG. Or at SG for that matter. Or, in general, on a basketball court.

GMac may not have been an NBA player, but he is way better than JGIII.

Do you think if you called and asked JB if we had GMac on this team, would GMac or JGIII start, his true answer would be "you know, it's a push". Of course not.

I posted the numbers. Assists, turnovers, steals, per 40.

You keep resorting back to who is the better player (your final 2 paragraphs). The argument was not at any point about Joe being as good a player as GMac. Literally nobody on Earth has made that argument.

As PGs through their sophomore year, the numbers show there is practically no difference (stripping away 3pt shooting).

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I'm curious. Two hypothetical teams:

[Sidibe is still out.]

A: Current starters, current lineup, current minutes for the backups, including Kadary.
B: PG Kadary, SG Griffin, SF Woody, PF Quincy, SFC Marek, + Buddy and JG3 playing the same minutes as current Kadary and Braswell.

Head to head, which team wins?

 

[Brooky03]

I'm curious. Two hypothetical teams:

[Sidibe is still out.]

A: Current starters, current lineup, current minutes for the backups, including Kadary.
B: PG Kadary, SG Griffin, SF Woody, PF Quincy, SFC Marek, + Buddy and JG3 playing the same minutes as current Kadary and Braswell.

Head to head, which team wins?

A

Team B Kadary would only benefit from 5 minutes of Kadary vs. ‘not Kadary’ and would be at a disadvantage with a turnover prone SG. Kadary on D vs Buddy results in Buddy picking up his dribble and getting rid of the ball. Kadary on D vs Griffin results in a steal and dunk. Team A Griffin would have a good offensive matchup vs Team B Woody. Team B Woody would need to be hot from 3.

 

[FloridaFan]

I'm curious. Two hypothetical teams:

[Sidibe is still out.]

A: Current starters, current lineup, current minutes for the backups, including Kadary.
B: PG Kadary, SG Griffin, SF Woody, PF Quincy, SFC Marek, + Buddy and JG3 playing the same minutes as current Kadary and Braswell.

Head to head, which team wins?

Clearly Joe and buddy light it up on Team B. They have the spacing!

 

[Brooky03]

I wondered if starting a big who wasn't actually ready and then pulling them was a way of making sure they got playing time to help their development. It may be too late in the season to do that now as they are all basically 'must wins', but why not do that to begin the season?

I think it’s safer to start them when they’re not ready than to bring them in later. Teams often need a few possessions to get acclimated to the zone. Better to give the bigs a chance against an offense trying to feel things out than an offense that’s settled in with a better understanding of how to attack. Same thing happens to start the second half because we make adjustments and the zone becomes a different thing, a lot of times.

That’s my guess.

Edit: Contrast this with Guard, where I think the opposite is true. Start with the more experienced and presumably steadier guys. Bring the young gun in later as a spark against tired defenders.

 

[GoCuse14]

What exactly is this thread even about? is this Joe Vs Gmac?