Bring on the Dazzler

[kcsu]

He is a great offensive line coach. He needs. Passing Game coordinator as help. He does get to bowl games and his teams are tough. One issue is fan support. Will fans pay $$ to see a more 1970's-80's style O...even with bowl games? Thiere is entertainment factor...you are trying to fill seats

Well looks like we've got plenty to fill.

 

[kcsu]

Marrone or bust

If we are going the meat head route you cant get any more beef than the big bologna

 

[kcsu]

Arr
Marrone strikes me as strictly an NFL guy. Lousy personality. Lousy recruiter. Type of guy who family and friends probably dislike. Just looks miserable. Probably bullies his dog.

You need to recruit. Marrone is not a people person. If you aren't a good recruiter...a problem for Dino too...college coaching is a really tough gig. Dino has the personality whick makes recruiting failures puzzling. But it is clear he can't recruit well.

Hes not the solution.

I would be all in on Moorhead.

Dinos back next year as SU isn't going to eat the buyout especially with Dino showing progress.
The play at this point is to retain White, Swag, and Schmidt. Recruit the heck out of our key players, hit the portal hard for difference makers at WR, DT, and Punter.
Hire a full time ST coach and roll with Dino.
Next season if he gets to 7 extend him on better terms.
If not cut him loose.

 

[dollarbill44]

Our next head coach

 

[tep624]

If this is our aspiration then that's pretty sad. I don't want us to be 1-11 but I also don't want us to be mediocre for 7 years either lol.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Of course it was, but the only way to get around recruiting deficencies is to run an offense that presents challenges to defensive cocordinators and makes us difficult to prepare for. If Dino's offense was not enough to attract wide receivers and QB's we have to run something different. That's why the O has done better with GS.

I agree. I think it's essential that SU has someone who is a great OL coach.

We are not ever going to get the best line prospects, but we have shown that if we recruit players who fit the body profile, they can be coached up and made into a good unit.

We are not a program that is ever going to thrive where we have to rely on one-on-one match-ups at the skills positions to beat opponents. We are a team that - back in the days when we knocked off a bunch of SEC teams - we played smash mouth football, and we hit people hard. That's northeastern football.

The spread is a terrible idea when you can't get a couple 4 star WRs on the outside. We've been doing well with the DBs, but if we can't recruit better, we need to play better schemes if we want to win more games.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Hes not the solution.

I would be all in on Moorhead.

Dinos back next year as SU isn't going to eat the buyout especially with Dino showing progress.
The play at this point is to retain White, Swag, and Schmidt. Recruit the heck out of our key players, hit the portal hard for difference makers at WR, DT, and Punter.
Hire a full time ST coach and roll with Dino.
Next season if he gets to 7 extend him on better terms.
If not cut him loose.

Yep. Perfect summation.

 

[dollarbill44]

I agree. I think it's essential that SU has someone who is a great OL coach.

We are not ever going to get the best line prospects, but we have shown that if we recruit players who fit the body profile, they can be coached up and made into a good unit.

We are not a program that is ever going to thrive where we have to rely on one-on-one match-ups at the skills positions to beat opponents. We are a team that - back in the days when we knocked off a bunch of SEC teams - we played smash mouth football, and we hit people hard. That's northeastern football.

The spread is a terrible idea when you can't get a couple 4 star WRs on the outside. We've been doing well with the DBs, but if we can't recruit better, we need to play better schemes if we want to win more games.

Why is smashmouth football particularly northeastern?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Why is smashmouth football particularly northeastern?

It's not.

It's trying to put a fancy name on not being all that talented and and playing a style that limits yourself but often enough limits your opponent too.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Why is smashmouth football particularly northeastern?

Seems like it has been the identity of a lot of great northeastern teams, from college to the pros. Teams like Penn State, Syracuse, BC, the Giants, the Redskins and even the early Patriot teams. Going back to ancient times, it's Army, Fordham, etc.

 

[dollarbill44]

Seems like it has been the identity of a lot of great northeastern teams, from college to the pros. Teams like Penn State, Syracuse, BC, the Giants, the Redskins and even the early Patriot teams. Going back to ancient times, it's Army, Fordham, etc.

I guess the point is that everyone was playing that same style when the teams you mentioned were good, not just teams in the northeast. NDs four horsemen ring a bell? Alabama, Nebraska, Wisconsin...
Was the forward pass even legal when Fordham was relevant?
I don't know anyone who considers Washington D.C. to be in the northeast.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I guess the point is that everyone was playing that same style when the teams you mentioned were good, not just teams in the northeast. NDs four horsemen ring a bell? Alabama, Nebraska, Wisconsin...
Was the forward pass even legal when Fordham was relevant?
I don't know anyone who considers Washington D.C. to be in the northeast.

Well, if you really look at that old history, you'll find offensive innovations like the wing-T, the Power I, the wishbone. Those offenses differed from basic smash mouth, at least in my mind.

I think that when the Redskins had John Riggins behind the Hogs, that was smash mouth. The Giants, when they had that awesome defense, and a great running game, led my Joe Morris, Otis Anderson, Rodney Hampton. Those are my modern Smash Mouth teams.

Our freeze option in the 80s and 90s were outstanding. When we had a power running back, a quick back who could get to the corner, an RPO QB and some good receivers who could get separation.

It shocks me that Kevin Rogers is as old as he is now, because if there was one guy who I've really liked in my years as an SU fan, it might be Kevin Rogers.

 

[dollarbill44]

Well, if you really look at that old history, you'll find offensive innovations like the wing-T, the Power I, the wishbone. Those offenses differed from basic smash mouth, at least in my mind.

I think that when the Redskins had John Riggins behind the Hogs, that was smash mouth. The Giants, when they had that awesome defense, and a great running game, led my Joe Morris, Otis Anderson, Rodney Hampton. Those are my modern Smash Mouth teams.

Our freeze option in the 80s and 90s were outstanding. When we had a power running back, a quick back who could get to the corner, an RPO QB and some good receivers who could get separation.

It shocks me that Kevin Rogers is as old as he is now, because if there was one guy who I've really liked in my years as an SU fan, it might be Kevin Rogers.

I don't have a problem with smashmouth football, just that you called it northeast football. It's not a particularly northeast style.
And your insistence on citing Washington proves this. D.C. is NOT a northeastern city.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't have a problem with smashmouth football, just that you called it northeast football. It's not a particularly northeast style.
And your insistence on citing Washington proves this. D.C. is NOT a northeastern city.

That's fine. We disagree. Good life to you, sir.

 

[RandomGuy]

I don't have a problem with smashmouth football, just that you called it northeast football. It's not a particularly northeast style.
And your insistence on citing Washington proves this. D.C. is NOT a northeastern city.

Wasn't there an old cliche, that you could recruit size from the North? For the Continental US, all but 2 of our oline are PA and North.

 

[dollarbill44]

That's fine. We disagree. Good life to you, sir.

Good life? So, that's it? You're done with me over a geography argument?
You can't quit me that easily.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Good life? So, that's it? You're done with me over a geography argument?
You can't quit me that easily.

No, I'm just not here to argue with people.
I'm trying to be nice and end the discussion.

I'm not looking to block you. I'm just tired of s. Not saying you're one, but fine, we disagree. OK?

 

[RandomGuy]

I highly recommend any Syracuse fan reads this article(Bottom). It's FANTASTIC. Excerpt:

"McPherson and others said Babers hasn’t been able to find consistent success in part because high school teams in the northeast don’t typically use schemes similar to Babers’. This is due largely to the weather that prevents players from playing football year round, McPherson said.

“Dino came in going ‘Orange is the new fast.’ Problem is, the northeast is not that fast,” McPherson said."

At least in MY area? (Greater Boston)This is true.

The rise and fall of Syracuse’s northeast recruiting base

“(Syracuse) really did well in our area getting recruits, things of that nature, then they had a change. There was just this really big, stark difference.”

dailyorange.com

 

[bothsocksup]

Fantastic article

 

[SUbear]

I also want a new coach, but there’s about 100 coaches i’d want before steve.

I will not pretend to know who our next coach should be.. I do know I have had it with Dino, and we need to cut and change sooner rather than later.

 

[orangemass]

Dazzle me

 

[David321]

Why is smashmouth football particularly northeastern?

Because it is the original style of football and football comes from the northeast.

 

[TheCusian]

I find it really really odd that this thread about a meathead coach who lost games and his job for not developing a modern passing offense pops after our run-centric offense gets stuffed and we can't pass

Dino may or may not be the answer but if you liked Sat you should def be all in on the Dazzler lol

 

[David321]

I don’t think the Louisville game was an inditement on our read option scheme, but rather one on a poorly coached team that wasn’t ready to play football.

 

[TheCusian]

I don’t think the Louisville game was an inditement on our read option scheme, but rather one on a poorly coached team that wasn’t ready to play football.

Bit of both, IMO