Brown Postgame Thoughts…

[hoopsupstate]

Bennie is trying too hard to get playing time because Coach doesn't let him play though any mistakes ... why his play has regressed as the season has gone on...the starters can shoot 3 for 20 or grab 2 rebounds in two games and still play 38 min ...

It’s not even about the mistakes. He doesn’t do anything when he’s on the floor.

 

[orangemass]

It’s not even about the mistakes. He doesn’t do anything when he’s on the floor.

This ^^^... He's floating out there... he's one step behind everything...

 

[wiCuse]

Bennie is trying too hard to get playing time because Coach doesn't let him play though any mistakes ... why his play has regressed as the season has gone on...the starters can shoot 3 for 20 or grab 2 rebounds in two games and still play 38 min ...

Disagree. Outside of the Georgetown game Benny's minutes have been on spot or generous given his production. Benny is the best all around athlete on team, but he never tries to sprint out on a break to get easy points and attack the rim. He doesn't move well without the ball and his rebounding needs to be better. Benny is a major key to our success in the ACC. I was hoping for big strides during this layoff. He'll breakout at some point...

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Disagree. Outside of the Georgetown game Benny's minutes have been on spot or generous given his production. Benny is the best all around athlete on team, but he never tries to sprint out on a break to get easy points and attack the rim. He doesn't move well without the ball and his rebounding needs to be better. Benny is a major key to our success in the ACC. I was hoping for big strides during this layoff. He'll breakout at some point...

I'm curious if his athleticism really shows during practice/scrimmages/pick up at the Melo Center.

 

[wiCuse]

I'm curious if his athleticism really shows during practice/scrimmages/pick up at the Melo Center.

Let's hope Benny gives Jimmy & Cole problems during practices, ha. I really think Benny's issues are between his ears. Benny was confident during the exhibition games and wanted the ball. We need that Benny back asap.

 

[NorSyr66]

Benny needs to be better if he wants more time. He missed a couple of rebounds on defense he needed to get. 17 minutes with just two rebounds is not good enough for someone with his athleticism. I was particularly disappointed when he grabbed the ball and stepped out of bounds.

Totally agree that Benny needs to improve. I keep scratching my head on him being a 5 star recruit but not seeming to jell to this point. I sure hope it all clicks and soon. Regarding the rebound where he stepped out of bounds, if I recall he had a rather solid nudge from the opposing player?

 

[NorSyr66]

Neither Bennie nor Torrence had a better looking shot after all the practice time they had. Sy made a shot but it wasn’t good form.Gmac please work harder with both players.

The time off between Georgetown and Brown resulted in only a few practice days per JB. Then the question has to be how available for practice was Benny and Symir plus was Gmac available?

 

[NorSyr66]

I think Benny literally has the Yips .. he had a suddenness of movement and explosion in the first few games that are just gone .. you don’t lose athletic ability in a few weeks at his age

Several good posts here regarding Benny's recent lack of results. I agree with all of them. He is not that bad but rather appears like a project under construction, except it is more like changing a tire on an auto racing car while it is moving. Hopefully there is a master plan and it will come together this season. I love his smile and team support from the bench when he is not on the floor. I think we would all be more comfortable if we seen some signs of improvement. He is still getting reasonable floor time so he must be showing some results in practice. LGO!!!

 

[DoctorBombay]

I mean here comes debbie downer but guys, it was Brown. Yes they made a game with UNC but they havent beaten anyone. They arent very good

“You play today. You win today. Das it”! -Mariano Duncan-

 

[Jake]

I’m just happy we got our Covid pause completed. It’s going to hit every team. Rather now than Mid-January.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I do think our 5 starters are all capable of logging 40 minutes credit to them for their conditioning. Of course its not ideal but then again you always want your best players to play if possible.

could not agree less.

the team has faded HARD in second halves this season...imo precisely bc the starters are not capable of playing 40mins

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

could not agree less.

the team has faded HARD in second halves this season...imo precisely bc the starters are not capable of playing 40mins

No other option.

But we'll play our zone and take 15 seconds off the clock every trip up the floor.

Trying to stay positive I don't want to post that every time we go into halftime up 10 we are probably going to fold at the under 8 and lose by 10.

 

[althea]

Benny is the best all around athlete on team

I think we need an argument about this.
Benny has shown flashes of hi-level athletic ability at times, and it's easy to see why he was highly recruited. With that being said, "the best athlete" on the team has to be able to use his natural skills in a way that he can positively influence the game. Benny is a freshman and currently a long way from that, but I believe he will get there. He seems ready willing and able to put in the work.

 

[CardiacCuse]

No other option.

But we'll play our zone and take 15 seconds off the clock every trip up the floor.

Trying to stay positive I don't want to post that every time we go into halftime up 10 we are probably going to fold at the under 8 and lose by 10.

the only option is developing the bench...its the only hope of having a fully functional team

 

[wiCuse]

I think we need an argument about this.
Benny has shown flashes of hi-level athletic ability at times, and it's easy to see why he was highly recruited. With that being said, "the best athlete" on the team has to be able to use his natural skills in a way that he can positively influence the game. Benny is a freshman and currently a long way from that, but I believe he will get there. He seems ready willing and able to put in the work.

I think we're both describing Benny's potential in different ways. I wish there was an honest argument about athletic ability on the current team or we wouldn't be 6-5. Frank is an excellent athlete and the list drops off a lot after these two guys. I'd say Symir is above average. Athleticism is an upgrade in next recruiting class.

 

[kcsu]

I think Benny literally has the Yips .. he had a suddenness of movement and explosion in the first few games that are just gone .. you don’t lose athletic ability in a few weeks at his age

Jims approach tends to make guys tight.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Jims approach tends to make guys tight.

Benny has played more minutes than Frank and Symir. They both look better than Benny right now and are continuously improving since the start of the season.

Frank played 11 minutes and got 5 boards. Symir played 17 and had 7 assists. Their limited minutes did not affect how they play. I think we like to make excuses for guys and blame JB when too much when guys who get limited minutes don't play well.

At the beginning of the season a few of us had concerns regarding the form on Benny’s shot. That’s played out so far.

And I get being tight on offense if you’re trying to avoid the hook, but I’ve never seen that with defense or rebounding. That just takes effort and awareness with his athletic ability. It’s the main thing we need him for and he got 2 rebounds in 17 minutes. I don't want to kill the kid, but he's underperformed expectations by quite a bit.

 

[kcsu]

Benny has played more minutes than Frank and Symir. They both look better than Benny right now and are continuously improving since the start of the season.

Frank played 11 minutes and got 5 boards. Symir played 17 and had 7 assists. Their limited minutes did not affect how they play. I think we like to make excuses for guys and blame JB when too much when guys who get limited minutes don't play well.

At the beginning of the season a few of us had concerns regarding the form on Benny’s shot. That’s played out so far.

And I get being tight on offense if you’re trying to avoid the hook, but I’ve never seen that with defense or rebounding. That just takes effort and awareness with his athletic ability. It’s the main thing we need him for and he got 2 rebounds in 17 minutes. I don't want to kill the kid, but he's underperformed expectations by quite a bit.

They are not first year frosh

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Benny has played more minutes than Frank and Symir. They both look better than Benny right now and are continuously improving since the start of the season.

Frank played 11 minutes and got 5 boards. Symir played 17 and had 7 assists. Their limited minutes did not affect how they play. I think we like to make excuses for guys and blame JB when too much when guys who get limited minutes don't play well.

At the beginning of the season a few of us had concerns regarding the form on Benny’s shot. That’s played out so far.

And I get being tight on offense if you’re trying to avoid the hook, but I’ve never seen that with defense or rebounding. That just takes effort and awareness with his athletic ability. It’s the main thing we need him for and he got 2 rebounds in 17 minutes. I don't want to kill the kid, but he's underperformed expectations by quite a bit.

Great points and I agree with all of that. I’ll only counterbalance by saying this is Benny’s first year in college but frank and symir have done this before.

 

[Cusefan0307]

They are not first year frosh

That means he's just not as ready as everyone thought, including myself. Per 40 minutes he's the worst rebounder on the team right now. Buddy is grabbing more boards per minute than Benny. I don't know how that is possible with his athleticism.

 

[Cuseball]

Jims approach tends to make guys tight.

I agree. Players have to know this when being recruited but you really can see Benny being wound up so tight like someone who doesn’t want to be yelled at. Jimmy is who he is and some players can handle it a bit better. Those 17 minutes against Brown were a step in the right direction even if not perfect. Playing through some mistakes and feeling like one of the team has to be good. Hope for some incremental improvement against Cornell tonight.

Cuse!

 

[CuseFaninVT]

You all are talking about allowing players to play through mistakes and I just can't let this opportunity to go by without sharing this story from the Burlington Free Press about a new kid at UVM.

'Unstoppable' Deloney breaks out with career-high effort to ignite UVM basketball's win

Bench player Aaron Deloney scores career-high 18 points as UVM pulls away from Colgate 78-68 in its nonconference finale at Patrick Gym on Wednesday.

www.burlingtonfreepress.com

The money quote in that article is here - (John Becker is the UVM HMBC)

In the post-game, Becker called Deloney the difference in the win.

"I’ve had a short leash with some guys, with him being one of them and I let him play the first couple minutes there and play through a couple mistakes," Becker said. "It’s really not fair when you do that as a coach. Guys can’t get into the rhythm of the game and not even break a sweat really. I gave him a chance to break a sweat (Wednesday) and it paid off big time."

Not really about Becker, but more about coaches know they do this to kids, and many of them do it consistently. I'm sure JB knows this as well. Hopefully he gives Benny a few more opportunities to break a sweat, and Benny warms up and performs accordingly.

 

[rrlbees]

You all are talking about allowing players to play through mistakes and I just can't let this opportunity to go by without sharing this story from the Burlington Free Press about a new kid at UVM.

'Unstoppable' Deloney breaks out with career-high effort to ignite UVM basketball's win

Bench player Aaron Deloney scores career-high 18 points as UVM pulls away from Colgate 78-68 in its nonconference finale at Patrick Gym on Wednesday.

www.burlingtonfreepress.com

The money quote in that article is here - (John Becker is the UVM HMBC)

In the post-game, Becker called Deloney the difference in the win.

"I’ve had a short leash with some guys, with him being one of them and I let him play the first couple minutes there and play through a couple mistakes," Becker said. "It’s really not fair when you do that as a coach. Guys can’t get into the rhythm of the game and not even break a sweat really. I gave him a chance to break a sweat (Wednesday) and it paid off big time."

Not really about Becker, but more about coaches know they do this to kids, and many of them do it consistently. I'm sure JB knows this as well. Hopefully he gives Benny a few more opportunities to break a sweat, and Benny warms up and performs accordingly.

I can’t remember a game where Benny played 2-3 minutes, made a mistake, and got pulled. I didn’t think he gets the quick hook.

 

[br801]

I can’t remember a game where Benny played 2-3 minutes, made a mistake, and got pulled. I didn’t think he gets the quick hook.

I also don't think he "gets yelled at" disproportionately compared to past first year players or others on the current team. He's just struggling to do things on the court that used to come naturally to him. He'll get it eventually, but he probably won't be a consistent contributor this season.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I can’t remember a game where Benny played 2-3 minutes, made a mistake, and got pulled. I didn’t think he gets the quick hook.

My post was more about JBs performance in the past than anything about Benny. And if you don't concur that JB has yanked guys for making a mistake right away in the past, then I have no more to say.