Buddy Boeheim - 24 shots

[SUFan44]

10 more than the next highest individual total.

How is this OK?

Griffin, Guerrier, Dolezaj, Richmond, they are all better players.

Buddy Boeheim is not the top scorer on a good ACC team. If he continues to try to be, we are not going to be very good.

 

[orangeinnyc]

10 more than the next highest individual total.

How is this OK?

Griffin, Guerrier, Dolezaj, Richmond, they are all better players.

Buddy Boeheim is not the top scorer on a good ACC team. If he continues to try to be, we are not going to be very good.

I think Buddy shot a bit too much and agree with you he needs to cut some of these shots down going forward. However in this game i don't really have a beef with it tbh. Dolezaj is not aggressive at all, i wish he would shoot the ball more but i just think this is who he is at this point in his career. He would be such a better player if he could hit a damn jump shot. I think Quincy needs to shoot more and be more aggressive as well. Rather have Buddy shoot than Alan tonight because AG was taking terrible shots all night until he turned it on with about 8 mins left and helped us win. Thought buddy and kadary were really the ones who were looking for offensive and were aggressive in the mid part of the game. IMO we should judge the shot counts on a game by game basis.

 

[MikeSU02]

10 more than the next highest individual total.

How is this OK?

Griffin, Guerrier, Dolezaj, Richmond, they are all better players.

Buddy Boeheim is not the top scorer on a good ACC team. If he continues to try to be, we are not going to be very good.

Its not ok. The kid has played 68 career games and has less than 40% FG%.

JB has covered for him in back to back pressers, though.

 

[Scooch]

7-17
7-13
1-12
8-24

I like Buddy but needs to shoot less, and make more.

 

[samspann1]

Much offense was created off of those 16 misses, I'm sure.

 

[orangeinnyc]

Its not ok. The kid has played 68 career games and has less than 40% FG%.

JB has covered for him in back to back pressers, though.

The whole argument for career games and below 40% is completely irrelevant though. Quincy shot like 10% from 3 last year but is now knocking them down at a high clip. Buddy had a few bad shots and does need to cut back overall but he was one of the few guys being aggressive the entire game tonight so i don't really think tonight we should be bashing him for this.

 

[orangeinnyc]

7-17
7-13
1-12
8-24

I like Buddy but needs to shoot less, and make more.

I think 15-17 shots should be his sweet spot unless he is on.

 

[Scooch]

I think 15-17 shots should be his sweet spot unless he is on.

I think that may be a few too many if he’s not lights out from 3. I really don’t think I want to see more games where Buddy goes 6-17 while Q goes 6-9.

*edit* I’ll add a caveat, if we actually play with pace then 15-17 shots could be OK. Because then others would get more shots too.

 

[orangeinnyc]

I think that may be a few too many if he’s not lights out from 3. I really don’t think I want to see more games where Buddy goes 6-17 while Q goes 6-9.

I agree with this idea but you really need to look at this specific game, i mean if you take tonight i really didn't have a problem with a lot of the shots because we needed offensive and other guys were off and not aggressive. He had a few stretches were he kept us within striking distance by making shots. I thought he toned it down a bit under 10 mins and played more team friendly once AG showed up

 

[two3zone]

Still better than Joe.

 

[MikeSU02]

The whole argument for career games and below 40% is completely irrelevant though. Quincy shot like 10% from 3 last year but is now knocking them down at a high clip. Buddy had a few bad shots and doesn't need to cut back overall but he was one of the few guys being aggressive the entire game tonight so i don't really think tonight we should be bashing him for this.

Ok. This year he is less than 36% from the field not counting today.

Last year was less than 41%from the field. Year before 38% from the field.

He should not be shooting 24 FGAs in a game, especially one when he’s shooting poorly.

 

[orangeinnyc]

Ok. This year he is less than 36% from the field not counting today.

Last year was less than 41%from the field. Year before 38% from the field.

He should not be shooting 24 FGAs in a game, especially one when he’s shooting poorly.

Well have to agree to disagree then! I stated above i do think 24 is too much but watching this game i think most of them were fine outside a few fading away 2 pointers. I also will say i don't want to see him trying to finish at the rim and in traffic, he really seems to struggle there. His best shot outside of the catch and shoot is his little two dribble pull up over the defender near the free throw line which we saw a lot of tonight since he had a smaller guy on him.

 

[Scott11]

I would not mind if buddy went 0 for 24 if they were all open looks. He is an elite shooter. But at least eight of his shots today and a similar number against Northeastern were off balance, contested and early in the shot clock. There is no reason for that to occur.
Additionally from an analytical point of view the contested long range 2 is the worst shot an offense can take. This isn’t like two years ago when we were struggling to score 50 points a game. We have talented options and there is no reason to do the defense a favor by taking a bad shot.
Also JB is apparently blind to buddy’s shot selection in a way we have never seen with other players and that can’t help in the locker room. JB killed AG for only caring about his scoring, when was the last time you saw a buddy make a good pass?

 

[HoustonCuse]

You have to acknowledge though that this year, and this game in particular are much higher possession games thatn we've been used to seeing. I do hate bad shots though, it's probably the "easiest" way to improve any team is to eliminate some of the bad shots. This is JG3's biggest problem. He does have a penchant for taking absurd shots. Some of them go in, but that only encourages the behavior!

 

[Scooch]

I would not mind if buddy went 0 for 24 if they were all open looks. He is an elite shooter. But at least eight of his shots today and a similar number against Northeastern were off balance, contested and early in the shot clock. There is no reason for that to occur.
Additionally from an analytical point of view the contested long range 2 is the worst shot an offense can take. This isn’t like two years ago when we were struggling to score 50 points a game. We have talented options and there is no reason to do the defense a favor by taking a bad shot.
Also JB is apparently blind to buddy’s shot selection in a way we have never seen with other players and that can’t help in the locker room. JB killed AG for only caring about his scoring, when was the last time you saw a buddy make a good pass?

He’s not an elite shooter. He’s a good shooter who sometimes goes off. My opinion, anyway.

 

[Wrinkle]

There is absolutely no doubt he was forcing things tonight. He's trying to be an all around scorer and it doesn't work. Ball should be in Kadary's hands all the time. We have the pieces (including Buddy) to be a very good offensive team, but unlocking that all starts with Kadary as far as I'm concerned. He is the playmaker we have long sought

 

[SUFan44]

Well have to agree to disagree then! I stated above i do think 24 is too much but watching this game i think most of them were fine outside a few fading away 2 pointers. I also will say i don't want to see him trying to finish at the rim and in traffic, he really seems to struggle there. His best shot outside of the catch and shoot is his little two dribble pull up over the defender near the free throw line which we saw a lot of tonight since he had a smaller guy on him.

The two dribble pull up is a contested shot 100% of the time for Boeheim. He might make 40-45% of them. It's a TERRIBLE play, when looking at the overall efficiency a team would like to have.

Griffin, Guerrier & Dolezaj need to shoot more than Boeheim. Every single game, unless he is wide open from three-point range.

 

[OrangeDW]

10 more than the next highest individual total.

How is this OK?

Griffin, Guerrier, Dolezaj, Richmond, they are all better players.

Buddy Boeheim is not the top scorer on a good ACC team. If he continues to try to be, we are not going to be very good.

Agreed! Want to see us look for Guerrier first, in most situations. Marek against zones in the high post and when he has mismatches, which he will at times when he’s at the 5. And I’d like to see Kadary looking to create more. That one drive and kick to the opposite corner(Griffin I think?) for a 3 was a thing of beauty. Would like to see Kadary take the reigns more...think ultimately that will lead to more clean looks for Buddy and others.

I like that Buddy is more aggressive going to the hoop and with that midrange stuff. I think that will ultimately help him get more space for his 3’s too. But he/we have to learn when to apply it. We go in spurts of looking incredibly smooth, and looking all out of whack, which I guess is normal for the 7th game of the year.

 

[orangeinnyc]

The two dribble pull up is a contested shot 100% of the time for Boeheim. He might make 40-45% of them. It's a TERRIBLE play, when looking at the overall efficiency a team would like to have.

Griffin, Guerrier & Dolezaj need to shoot more than Boeheim. Every single game, unless he is wide open from three-point range.

I am going to disagree with you on this, i think Buddy has proved he can make this shot at a good clip, and when he has a smaller defender on him i think its a pretty good shot if he can get around the foul line area. Anything outside that i don't want. I also do think AG, MD and QG should shoot more than him but aside from AG i don't see the aggressiveness from the other guys, especially marek. Quincy def needs to shoot the ball more than 13 times, he is turning into a monster for us.

 

[DaCuse]

Buddy is not an elite player, shooter or anything else.

 

[eatmatsroe]

i don't care if we came back to win, this game was a hot mess for most everyone other than quincy.

bubby looked like cooney tonight

 

[OrangeDW]

Buddy is not an elite player, shooter or anything else.

Kid led the ACC in 3’s made last year. He’s an elite shooter. We’re not an elite offense at creating clean looks, but I think we have the pieces to get better there...especially when Kadary fully gets the keys to run point full time.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Not going to kill him. He will have more efficient games later in the season. He always seems to start out slow.

 

[djcon57]

i don't care if we came back to win, this game was a hot mess for most everyone other than quincy.

bubby looked like cooney tonight

if you believe this, you don’t know much about basketball.

 

[Brooky03]

You shoot when you’re open. If he was forcing shots, fine, be mad about it. But if he was open for most of them, his job is to shoot. If he doesn’t shoot, he’s not doing his job.