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Buddy Boeheim such a great kid

I totally agree. I also know how fans are. 2 1st round exits sandwiching a championship and the knee jerk fans will focus on the bread.
Stumpy, this UVA team in my mind gets a pass for Covid crap at the worst time possible. I hope the worst kneejerk UVA fans would be understanding. Your question however was valid with our worst Syracuse.com types in mind.
 
The criticism of Jimmy has been justified to this point. If we look at the body of work over the last five or seasons it has been mediocre at best. Only one really nice FF run has kept it from being a disaster, at least by Cuse standards. If we end up losing to WV and going out in the second round then nothing has really changed. whatever happens in this tourney, good or bad, is to small a sample size to make any conclusions. Jimmy will definitely be back next season. Let’s see if he is able to build on this run, improve recruiting, and compete near the top of the ACC. If he can do those things, then I will be more than happy to get on the Jimmy bandwagon and say he has turned the corner to get us back on track.
I can see you wait with great expectation for a Syracuse loss today so you can come on here and continue your unfounded, emotionally based attack on Boeheim. Well, that's not going to happen. We are too strong, too proud and too ORANGE to lose to the West Virginia Mountaineers today. Our team is going to bring it to them today for 40 minutes. You can mark that down.
 
The criticism of Jimmy has been justified to this point. If we look at the body of work over the last five or seasons it has been mediocre at best. Only one really nice FF run has kept it from being a disaster, at least by Cuse standards. If we end up losing to WV and going out in the second round then nothing has really changed. whatever happens in this tourney, good or bad, is to small a sample size to make any conclusions. Jimmy will definitely be back next season. Let’s see if he is able to build on this run, improve recruiting, and compete near the top of the ACC. If he can do those things, then I will be more than happy to get on the Jimmy bandwagon and say he has turned the corner to get us back on track.

Sweet 16's don't count?

What's your definition of "Non-Mediocre"? Elite Eight or above? Final Four or bust? Checkered Flag or crash?
 
I can see you wait with great expectation for a Syracuse loss today so you can come on here and continue your unfounded, emotionally based attack on Boeheim. Well, that's not going to happen. We are too strong, too proud and too ORANGE to lose to the West Virginia Mountaineers today. Our team is going to bring it to them today for 40 minutes. You can mark that down.
You have just made an awful post. I have no expectation for a syracuse loss. You have no basis to make that statement. My statement that we have been mediocre for five years or so is an emotionally charged attack on Boeheim ? OK, what is your definition of mediocre ? As somebody very famous (Parcells) once said, " you are what your record says your are."
 
I'm a UVA fan. Now that UVA has lost i will be rooting for Syracuse. Buddy and his Hall of Fame dad are experiencing a memory that will last forever. What a great story. And, Buddy is not only a great basketball player but just a great kid. Not hard to root for at all. GO ORANGE !!!
I’m sorry that you unknowingly walked into a Jerry Springer episode with your very polite post.
 
I said preseason that I thought this years team could be the more “typical” Syracuse team: top 4 in the ACC, top 4-5 seed, ranked, sweet 16.

Things didn’t come together nearly early enough for most of that to happen. But I do think we’re playing at that level now. Hopefully it will be enough to do the sweet 16 part. And then hopefully we can build off of our strong end of season play and be “Syracuse” all season next year.
 
Your post is an example of the negativity I am talking about.

I have no problem saying a team played bad. I have a problem jumping from a bad performance to conspiracy theories about how our coaches don't know who the best players are, and have stopped even trying to recruit better players.

The part I bolded seems to infer that maybe we aren't better because the coaches helped the players improve over the course of the season and that maybe Boeheim just didn't know who is good and who is not (until he suddenly figured it out at the end of the year).

I've seen it expressed a lot more openly than you put it many times on this board.

It's true we will never know for sure, but, D1 coaching is a highly competitive job that pays millions. I have always inferred because of this fact that every coach who reaches this level can at least do the basics of the job -like evaluate who the best players are and put together a good recruiting pitch.

Jumping to the conclusion that the second winningest coach ever to do this highly competitive job can't do the basics of the job and recognize who his best players are seems over the top negative to me. Especially when there are other good reasons for our struggles this year, like our starting center playing 4 total minutes and our best player having to miss 7 weeks in-season due to covid protocols.
If you see my post as being negative, you only view the most orange tinged posts as being positive. Anyone that pays attention to my posting can attest that I'm one of the more even posters on the board. If you see the part you bolded as being negative, I don't know what to say. I simply said we don't know.

You seem to indicate that the staff is infallible. I don't agree. Regardless of how many wins a coach has or how much he is paid, he can still make mistakes. As with most of us, my opinions are based on my time watching the team. In my case that's a bit over 30 years. I know in the past I have seen a few guys that got no playing time play well when suddenly forced into action due to the injury of another player. Did those players suddenly develop over the course of a few practices? Did they play better because they didn't have to look over their shoulders? Did they always have it but were not given the opportunity to show it? I would guess it's some sort of combination.

Right now we have some guys that have played big minutes all year playing better than they did earlier in the season. We have some guys getting more time than they did earlier in the season that are making key contributions. I believe that those are not attributable to simply one circumstance and is more likely the combination I mentioned in my previous post. I won't apologize if you think that's a negative take.
 
There is a reason other fans are coming here in record numbers complimenting our team. This might be the most likable, fun to watch, team we've ever had.

If we make a deep run we will become media darlings in a way no Syracuse team has ever been before.

Now think about how much our own "fans" hated on this team (especially Buddy). Might be a good time for the this board to rethink the culture here so we're not our own worst enemy all the time.
Wasn’t the Carmelo/Gerry team a media darling as well? I remember we were the youngest team in the tourney, and many said that’s why we wouldn’t win it. But I think fans all over the country loved us.

This team is also likable. Buddy won my cranky elitist Duke brother over.
 
I'm a UVA fan. Now that UVA has lost i will be rooting for Syracuse. Buddy and his Hall of Fame dad are experiencing a memory that will last forever. What a great story. And, Buddy is not only a great basketball player but just a great kid. Not hard to root for at all. GO ORANGE !!!
Thanks Hoo, we’ll take it! Tony was so so gracious in defeat yesterday. A real class act as always.
 
You have just made an awful post. I have no expectation for a syracuse loss. You have no basis to make that statement. My statement that we have been mediocre for five years or so is an emotionally charged attack on Boeheim ? OK, what is your definition of mediocre ? As somebody very famous (Parcells) once said, " you are what your record says your are."
Most programs that undergo NCAA investigation and penalties fall into total mediocrity and failure, that's what it is intended to do. This program didn't have a losing season and went on deep runs in the NCAAT under those conditions and is now in the 2nd year of full scholarship availability and has a lot of nice players in development. This season was a wreck early on because of covid stops and Sidibe's injury. Jesse couldn't come back from Holland because of travel restrictions and when he did get back was on a qteen. Then the team had 2 covid beaks and lost a month of practice time, which further stemmed his development. If the season had gone as normal, Sidibe would have played most of the minuted and Jesse would have developed more and they, would be 2 quality deep at center. Somehow these facts escape your perceptive vision.
 
Wasn’t the Carmelo/Gerry team a media darling as well? I remember we were the youngest team in the tourney, and many said that’s why we wouldn’t win it. But I think fans all over the country loved us.

This team is also likable. Buddy won my cranky elitist Duke brother over.
And the 2010 team was one of the most fun teams to watch and very likeable.
 
And the 2010 team was one of the most fun teams to watch and very likeable.
I feel like we’ve generally always been fun to watch (except for the combo guard and LENGTH rock fight era) and likable. Easily the most fun to watch team in the original Big East’s heyday.
 
Did I say anything about fireable? Why are you attempting to escalate things beyond a rational exchange of opinions? I mean, beyond the fact that's your M.O.
Because all season long I've had to witness and endure a vicious and unending attack on the program, the coach and his son, and it really has been ugly.
 
Oh, stop.

“Play Kadary and Edwards more”, was not a vicious attack you wannabe victim.
And Kadary's had some tendinitis to deal with. Who would of knew, the coaching staff, that's who.
 
Oh. I thought it was “he can’t shoot, and teams play off him and it hurts the offense.” Guess that narrative was abandoned?
I think the world of Kadary at point guard. I'm sure the coaching staff does as well. I leave it up to the paid professionals to direct his development.
 
Sweet 16's don't count?

What's your definition of "Non-Mediocre"? Elite Eight or above? Final Four or bust? Checkered Flag or crash?
Getting ranked again and not being on the bubble year after year. Not that translates to long runs in the tourney.
Watching the game on Friday was fun to watch. Not that all games will be blow outs but going into games expecting to win rather then hoping to pull out a win would be nice. Seems like lately it is the latter.
 
I feel like we’ve generally always been fun to watch (except for the combo guard and LENGTH rock fight era) and likable. Easily the most fun to watch team in the original Big East’s heyday.
There have been times that we were frustrating, maybe because we were accustomed to previously elite teams. I remember some of the late '90's teams that had trouble scoring early in games. There was discussion about whether the clapping until the first score tradition should end because it may have been putting too much pressure on the team to score. Those were tough to watch at times. The dysfuction of 2002 with bad team chemistry was tough to watch.

By and large we have been a fun team. The last few yeara have been more difficult as we trudge through seasons hoping we can make the tournament and put things together for a good run, rather than competing for regular season and conference tournament championships while eagerly anticipating how high we'll be seeded.
 
There have been times that we were frustrating, maybe because we were accustomed to previously elite teams. I remember some of the late '90's teams that had trouble scoring early in games. There was discussion about whether the clapping until the first score tradition should end because it may have been putting too much pressure on the team to score. Those were tough to watch at times. The dysfuction of 2002 with bad team chemistry was tough to watch.

By and large we have been a fun team. The last few yeara have been more difficult as we trudge through seasons hoping we can make the tournament and put things together for a good run, rather than competing for regular season and conference tournament championships while eagerly anticipating how high we'll be seeded.
Yeah, there have been stretches. But it seems like you hear of a lot of Syracuse fans who got on board in the 80’s, that have no connection to the school or area. They just liked watching Cuse play. The Pearl through Owens years in particular.
 
I think the world of Kadary at point guard. I'm sure the coaching staff does as well. I leave it up to the paid professionals to direct his development.
As does the university. Why do you come to a sports message board? Are you expecting to come here to only see everyone kiss the feet of the players and staff? It's not as if critiquing players and coaches is a new thing. Whole industries are based on it.
 
Buddy is the “anti-Devo” in terms of on court persona.

They both are intense competitors, but Buddy kills you with a smile.
Haven’t seen him taunt or trash talk an opponent yet.

I’d imagine that it’s hard for opposing fans to hate him.

(Which I always thought odd about GMac - he was DESPISED by most other fans)
 
Yeah, there have been stretches. But it seems like you hear of a lot of Syracuse fans who got on board in the 80’s, that have no connection to the school or area. They just liked watching Cuse play. The Pearl through Owens years in particular.
Sure. That's me. That's when I was a kid. I grew up on those teams. But that's how most teams grow a fanbase. They have an era of success. I doubt the Pittsburgh Steelers had much of a fanbase prior to the 70's superbowl era. The New Orleans Saints had few fans at one point and the ones they had wore paperbags on their heads at the games. The Chicago Bulls were a laughing stock pre Jordan. That's sports.

Edit: I'm connected to the area. I grew up in CNY.
 

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