Bye Bye Bo

[Whitey23]

What does this mean? He asked to be fired?

Per sources, Bo felt that change needed to happen for Nebraska football to move forward. He planned to meet with the very top administration to share his feelings and his plan; most importantly he felt that he needed the administration clearly 100% with him, or they needed to go a different direction. It was clear to Pelini that Harvey Perlman (Chancellor) wasn’t giving him any support and that was creating an untenable situation for all. Pelini was willing to go over Perlman’s head (to the Board of Regents) if necessary.

Unfortunately, it appears that the administration agreed with him that change was needed; but didn’t agree with his plan.

http://footballscoop.com/news/nebraska-dismissed-bo-pelini/

 

[Stern]

The school joined the ACC in an effort to raise the football bar - that is reflective of a major commitment to the sport. And, the IPF is a major investment - clearly.

Syracuse joined the ACC for $$$$$$$$$. If football gets helped that is a byproduct of joining the ACC. But moving to the ACC was strictly a money decision not a football only decision.

Also the IPF was a good football investment, no dobut, but its also way late as many other schools have such a thing already and were ahead of Syracuse on it. Not knocking SU , our situation is unique and things take longer to get done here than at other schools. But it's just a fact. We don't invest in football and when we do we are often late to the party

 

[Stern]

There are 2 Florida schools (one with a job opening already and one who might have one open soon) who will be all over Bo. I could see Pelini at Miami or UF. Both would cut off their left arms to have 9 win seasons consistently!

 

[OrangePA]

Syracuse joined the ACC for $$$$$$$$$. If football gets helped that is a byproduct of joining the ACC. But moving to the ACC was strictly a money decision not a football only decision.

Also the IPF was a good football investment, no dobut, but its also way late as many other schools have such a thing already and were ahead of Syracuse on it. Not knocking SU , our situation is unique and things take longer to get done here than at other schools. But it's just a fact. We don't invest in football and when we do we are often late to the party

The decision to join the ACC was a football decision.

The money will flow from the ACC - yes that's true. But if the school had not decided to compete at the highest level - to further invest in the program - it would not have made the move it made.

With the decision to join the ACC, came the school's commitment to set out on a new major investment in football. That is why the IPF was built. And that is why the school will continue to invest in the program at much higher levels than in the past.

If the school had not first decided to escalate its commitment to football, it would not have joined the ACC.

An outsider would not understand the dynamic.

 

[ithacat]

Bo was 67-27. 7 straight 9 win seasons! What would you give for that record at Syracuse? At this point it's hard to see one 9 win season.

Sadly, might not see 9 wins over two seasons.

 

[oldpinepoint]

The decision to join the ACC was a football decision.

The money will flow from the ACC - yes that's true. But if the school had not decided to compete at the highest level - to further invest in the program - it would not have made the move it made.

With the decision to join the ACC, came the school's commitment to set out on a new major investment in football. That is why the IPF was built. And that is why the school will continue to invest in the program at much higher levels than in the past.

If the school had not first decided to escalate its commitment to football, it would not have joined the ACC.

An outsider would not understand the dynamic.

OrangePA is right on this one, The money wont come overnight it will take some time for things to play out. SU just got a new chancellor. I would expect changes to be made to the athletic department over the course of the next two years. HCSS probably has at least another year. Next year is the make or break year for him and his staff i think. I also think the good doctor will be gone in another year. Just a feeling no inside knowledge, but i would fully expect the Chancellor to bring in his own guy.

 

[Stern]

The decision to join the ACC was a football decision.

Yeah I disagree and know for a fact you are 100% wrong. It was a $$$$$$ Decision and a $$$$$$$$ Decision only. Football will be helped no doubt, but the decision had more to do with TV deals and the revenue the ACC brings SU. Money was the first and only factor in making that jump to the ACC.

And you can call me an outsider all you want as a "little job" but I was a season ticket holder for 30+ years and an Orange Pack member for the vast majority of that time. So it doesn't fit and its not getting to me. Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Yeah I disagree and know for a fact you are 100% wrong. It was a $$$$$$ Decision and a $$$$$$$$ Decision only

And you can call me an outsider all you want as a "little job" but I was a season ticket holder for 30+ years. So it doesn't fit and its not getting to me. Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

they are the same thing in my mind. You can have one without the other.

 

[Stern]

they are the same thing in my mind. You can have one without the other.

I disagree. I don't see it as the same. The jump was for the overall pot of money being in the ACC brings the school. We didn't jump to strictly help the football program.

It's neither here nor there at this point. Old news. But I just don't see it the same way as you

 

[oldpinepoint]

I disagree. I don't see it as the same. The jump was for the overall pot of money being in the ACC brings the school. We didn't jump to strictly help the football program.

It's neither here nor there at this point. Old news. But I just don't see it the same way as you

I understand your point Stern, no doubt we jumped because of the money the ACC brings. I agree with you that the jump wasnt to help the football program only. I think The reason we were able to jump was because of the football program and to the lesser extent the bball program. I think they are connected in some way.

 

[money3189]

What if Grob never happened? http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/31/sports/ncaafootball/31cuse.html?_r=0

 

[MSOrange]

The name that pops out for me is Kansas.

Same recruiting area - Midwest culture.

Bo would be an interesting choice for the Jayhawks.

Whether that program is big enough for him or as committed as he is, is an interesting question.

Interesting theory about Kansas. They did just build an 80,000 square foot football complex in 2008. It's not an indoor practice facility, more of a football operations center. But that hasn't seemed to help. Granted Weis was a horrible hire. But I don't think the football commitment is there at KU to the point that Pelini would be happy. Plus, whether it should or not, the way Mangino was let go might still still play a factor in hiring somebody with Pelini's reputation.

 

[oldpinepoint]

What if Grob never happened? http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/31/sports/ncaafootball/31cuse.html?_r=0

you see that and it really makes you wonder What happened.

 

[money3189]

you see that and it really makes you wonder What happened.

I will take 9-3 in a heart beat. Yes he probably would have takened a bigger job after the success here but we wouldnt had been in the whole Grob put us in either.

 

[Eric15]

Pelini is a good coach and will land on his feet somewhere, but at the end of the day he never won a conference championship and never went to a BCS game at a program that demands those things.

He came extraordinarily close in the 2009 Big 12 Title game losing to Texas on a long field goal as time expired.

 

[orange79]

The decision to join the ACC was a football decision.

The money will flow from the ACC - yes that's true. But if the school had not decided to compete at the highest level - to further invest in the program - it would not have made the move it made.

With the decision to join the ACC, came the school's commitment to set out on a new major investment in football. That is why the IPF was built. And that is why the school will continue to invest in the program at much higher levels than in the past.

If the school had not first decided to escalate its commitment to football, it would not have joined the ACC.

An outsider would not understand the dynamic.

The decision by SU to join the ACC was an Athletic Department decision, not just a football decision. The ACC provided a safe haven for ALL of the university's sports, not just football. And it provided a significant increase in revenue while assuring the future (something that was most definitely not a sure thing while languishing in the Big East). Was the ACC's decision to invite SU a football decision? In part, yes. Probably more than SU's decision to accept the invitation.

 

[OrangePA]

Yeah I disagree and know for a fact you are 100% wrong. It was a $$$$$$ Decision and a $$$$$$$$ Decision only. Football will be helped no doubt, but the decision had more to do with TV deals and the revenue the ACC brings SU. Money was the first and only factor in making that jump to the ACC.

And you can call me an outsider all you want as a "little job" but I was a season ticket holder for 30+ years and an Orange Pack member for the vast majority of that time. So it doesn't fit and its not getting to me. Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

The move to the ACC will bring greatly enhanced revenue - on the basis of football TV revenue.

The decision to go ACC was a football decision.

Before it could make the decision to join the ACC, the University had to first decide whether it wanted to remain a major football program. It had to decide whether it was willing to make the kind of enhanced financial investment needed to compete at a major, big-time college level.

In joining the ACC, the school agreed to make that financial commitment to the football program - infrastructure, coaching salaries and the like.

It could have taken a different path. It could have decided to de-emphasize football. It could have decided to go to the American Conference or stay in the Big East while competing as a football independent. Those moves would not have hurt the BB program. The Big East Conference has certainly not hurt Villanova BB.

Many on this board were not around when the studies of football de-emphasis were undertaken in the past. The studies were very serious.

The 1970 study undertaken by John Corbally truly hurt Schwartzwalder's ability to recruit and was very much responsible for the ensuing problems that the program had.

So, the move to the ACC, though certainly helpful to the other sports, was not a basketball decision or a soccer decision or a field hockey decision. It was a football decision.

Coach Boeheim has made that clear on many occasions.

In other words, the premise of the original post - that Syracuse University is "just another school that happens to play football" - is both inaccurate historically and inaccurate from a contemporary financial and competitive standpoint and is reflective of a fundamental misunderstanding of the school and its thinking over the years.

 

[Stern]

The decision by SU to join the ACC was an Athletic Department decision, not just a football decision. The ACC provided a safe haven for ALL of the university's sports, not just football. And it provided a significant increase in revenue while assuring the future (something that was most definitely not a sure thing while languishing in the Big East). Was the ACC's decision to invite SU a football decision? In part, yes. Probably more that SU's decision to accept the invitation.

Exactly!!!! OrangePa doesn't understand that and is living in a bubble. He doesn't understand the landscape of modern college sports and is stuck in a different era!

 

[OrangePA]

The decision by SU to join the ACC was an Athletic Department decision, not just a football decision. The ACC provided a safe haven for ALL of the university's sports, not just football. And it provided a significant increase in revenue while assuring the future (something that was most definitely not a sure thing while languishing in the Big East). Was the ACC's decision to invite SU a football decision? In part, yes. Probably more that SU's decision to accept the invitation.

Well, the Big East provided a safe haven for basketball and the Olympic sports.

Had SU remained in the Big East, SU BB and the other SU Olympic sports would have done just fine.

The move to the ACC was a football move - driven by football TV revenue. The decision to seek that revenue required a true commitment to big time college football.

That's the point of the discussion - that SU is now fully committed to major college football.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Well, the Big East provided a safe haven for basketball and the Olympic sports.

Had SU remained in the Big East, SU BB and the other SU Olympic sports would have done just fine.

The move to the ACC was a football move - driven by football TV revenue. The decision to seek that revenue required a true commitment to big time college football.

That's the point of the discussion - that SU is now fully committed to major college football.

I'm not convinced at all that SU is committed to major college football. I'm taking a wait and see approach with the new chancellor.

 

[OrangePA]

Exactly!!!! OrangePa doesn't understand that and is living in a bubble. He doesn't understand the landscape of modern college sports and is stuck in a different era!

The move to the ACC was not for the purpose of protecting BB and the other sports.

As for why conference expansion is happening, Boeheim said. "This audience knows why we are doing this. There's two reasons: Money and football."

It was a football decision based upon TV revenue generated by football.

 

[OrangePA]

I'm not convinced at all that SU is committed to major college football. I'm taking a wait and see approach with the new chancellor.

Well, the school is spending $17 million or so on the IPF.

That means something.

 

[will6786]

good ole Barney Cotton will be Nebraska’s interim coach for bowl game and there AD said this was best move for the school

 

[orange79]

Well, the Big East provided a safe haven for basketball and the Olympic sports.

Had SU remained in the Big East, SU BB and the other SU Olympic sports would have done just fine.

The move to the ACC was a football move - driven by football TV revenue. The decision to seek that revenue required a true commitment to big time college football.

That's the point of the discussion - that SU is now fully committed to major college football.

No, it did not. Saying today that everything would be fine is 20-20 hindsight. At the time, there were great worries that the league would fall apart/be raided again/etc. Huge worries. If the Big East had totally fallen apart (something that was inherently possible), cobbling together a league of leftovers would not have provided the safe haven you believe it would. The move to accept the ACC's invitation was one that fit the University's profile, and that assured the entire athletic department's future, not just football.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Well, the school is spending $17 million or so on the IPF.

That means something.

Well it does mean something however it was started before he was brought on wasn't it? To be honest we know nothing of his commitment really