Class of 2020 C Frank Anselem (GA) COMMITTED/SIGNED TO SYRACUSE

[Fly Rodder]

Are you saying there's no difference in development among college coaches at all? They are all basically the same?

I think for the most part, yeah - there is so much variability in players from ages 17-22 that it's probably exceptionally hard to quantify what puts them over the top, but being ranked in the consensus top-25 as a recruit is a better predictor of NBA sucesss than most. But even that misses players and is far far from perfect. The NBA game is different from college. Players have physical tools, size, and mental attitude. All that changes over time. Did Matt McMahon "develop" Ja Morant? Would he not have developed elsewhere?

 

[TexanMark]

I’d say:
- Playing Time;
- Talented teammates, including one native Nigerian;
- Style of Play;
- A program that is on the uptick;
- A loyal & enthusiastic - if small - fan base.

I was surprised Frank placed WKU in his Final 19, let alone his Final 6. Now his Final 4.

I have lived in Charlotte for 34 years; used to live in San Antonio. Been a Hilltopper fan regardless of where I have lived.

I've lived in SA for nearly 20 years. Owned houses in Alamo Heights, Stone Oak, Schertz and Wimberley. Great area...just wish it was closer to the east coast.

 

[20plus]

Is this based on anything other than hope?

Much more than Hope!!

Stay tuned!

 

[EastCoast2]

I'll be honest, I have no idea, I am not going to run the exact numbers, but I am just pushing back against the idea that every single NBA star that went to Kentucky was destined to be a star regardless of where they went to school. If that was the case, Devin Booker for instance should've been in everyone's top 5 instead of #25.

Are you saying there's no difference in development among college coaches at all? They are all basically the same?

Calipari has the advantage of having so many 5-stars come through his program, he has the numbers to point at in the NBA and tell kids "this will be you"... I think most fanbases have completely forgotten about Quade Green aside from UK/SU/UW... would he have been in the NBA now if he went to SU or Villanova? Very unlikely.

There's definitely development variability between coaches and programs... Spending 3-4 years at Duke or Kentucky practicing vs. other NBA prospects as opposed to playing at Colgate will impact a player's development. However, I don't think spending 6 months at Kentucky absolutely makes them better players than spending 6 months at Florida State, for example.

 

[JLine]

I think college coaches obviously do help develop kids. Some better than others. But, for the kids that only stay in school one year, and are already talented enough to get drafted, the developmental difference between coaches is so minimal that it becomes insignificant.

 

[Briancuse]

Zion was generally considered in the 5-10 range before he played in college. I don't think Duke is the reason he went #1 though; he simply dominated the competition and that likely would have happened no matter where he went to school.

Edit: The DraftExpress guys (now ESPN) for example had him going 7th in their mock before the college season began. BleacherReport had him going 4th. SBNation had him going 5th.

I believe he was 2nd. Top 3 that year was Barrett Zion reddish. Barrett was the guy getting all the hype going in. Then Zion blew up when he got to Duke.

 

[Briancuse]

I think college coaches obviously do help develop kids. Some better than others. But, for the kids that only stay in school one year, and are already talented enough to get drafted, the developmental difference between coaches is so minimal that it becomes insignificant.

Ya some guy are just that good. I could have coached Zion Williamson. Look at a guyike Hughes guy could barely see the court at ecu. He comes here and leads the acc in scoring and could be a first round pick. That's hard work and development.

 

[pearl31]

hey wow I clicked on this thread about a recruit named Frank Anselem

 

[Orangefan1]

WKU has not been a national power in 50 years. In the 1966-67 and 1970-71 seasons, the Hilltoppers were in the AP Top Ten. Since then: usually irrelevant on the national level. I don’t think WKU will ever be “nationally prominent”. But they could reach the less lofty goal of being “nationally relevant”. They are not there yet. Think along the lines of VCU, Butler, Wichita State, Xavier.

I don’t even think of them in the line you mentioned...Butler for example and Wichita State are in my opinion light years ahead of WKU...you just can’t compare WKU with SU it’s not a comparison in my mind...not trying to get people upset just how I’m thinking about it

 

[kszyman]

I've lived in SA for nearly 20 years. Owned houses in Alamo Heights, Stone Oak, Schertz and Wimberley. Great area...just wish it was closer to the east coast.

In San Antonio, we lived on the SE side in a 1930’s-40’s neighborhood called Highland Park. Sort of a “poor man’s Alamo Heights”.

 

[Melancer46]

<insert Frank Anselem's name here>

FWIW, I just did the math. Dating back to the 2011 recruiting class:

Kentucky's put 40.5% of their 4 & 5 star prospects into the NBA Lottery (41.9% of their 5 stars).

Compared to some peers:

• Syracuse: 5.9% and 20% respectively
• Kansas: 19% and 33.3% respectively
• Duke: 31% and 50% respectively
• Arizona: 14.8% and 21.4% respectively
• UNC: 0%

In terms of turning 4 & 5 star prospects into long-term starters in the NBA:

• Kentucky: 48.6%
• Syracuse: 17.6%
• Kansas: 33.3%
• Duke: 58.6%
• Arizona: 25.9%
• UNC: 11.8%

In terms of reaching the NBA (aka appearing in at least one game):

• Kentucky: 78.4%
• Syracuse: 47.1%
• Kansas: 47.6%
• Duke: 72.4%
• Arizona: 40.7%
• UNC: 41.2%

There was some cases of players going to a school, transferring away, and then reaching the NBA that slightly skew the numbers but it would be too much work for me to track everyone down. Some examples: BJ Johnson technically is a Syracuse recruit that made it to the NBA. Gbinije is technically a Duke recruit. Andrew White is technically a Kansas recruit. And Semi Ojeleye is technically a Duke recruit. But all in all, I think the numbers are pretty clear.

I would also point out that every recruit is different. For example, Tyler Ulis was a 5 star PG but nobody viewed him as a good NBA prospect due to his size. His draft stock almost certainly improved during his time at Kentucky to eventually become a 2nd round pick. The same is true to different extents for guys like Tyus Jones, Tyler Ennis, and more extreme, Dajuan Coleman. But again, those guys are all included because they are what they are and it would be too difficult for me to go back through hundreds of recruits and try to figure out what their draft stock looked like before they arrived on campus.

TLDR: Kentucky and Duke turn out NBA talent at a significantly better rate than anyone else even if you focus specifically on the 5 stars that every school gets. After that it seems relatively even though it can vary depending on how exactly you want to slice and dice it.

Also, Frank Anselem.

 

[kszyman]

I don’t even think of them in the line you mentioned...Butler for example and Wichita State are in my opinion light years ahead of WKU...you just can’t compare WKU with SU it’s not a comparison in my mind...not trying to get people upset just how I’m thinking about it

As I said, “they are not there yet” (national relevance). They hope to be like Butler and Wichita, perhaps someday.

 

[EastCoast2]

<insert Frank Anselem's name here>

FWIW, I just did the math. Dating back to the 2011 recruiting class:

Kentucky's put 40.5% of their 4 & 5 star prospects into the NBA Lottery (41.9% of their 5 stars).

Compared to some peers:

• Syracuse: 5.9% and 20% respectively
• Kansas: 19% and 33.3% respectively
• Duke: 31% and 50% respectively
• Arizona: 14.8% and 21.4% respectively
• UNC: 0%

In terms of turning 4 & 5 star prospects into long-term starters in the NBA:

• Kentucky: 48.6%
• Syracuse: 17.6%
• Kansas: 33.3%
• Duke: 58.6%
• Arizona: 25.9%
• UNC: 11.8%

In terms of reaching the NBA (aka appearing in at least one game):

• Kentucky: 78.4%
• Syracuse: 47.1%
• Kansas: 47.6%
• Duke: 72.4%
• Arizona: 40.7%
• UNC: 41.2%

There was some cases of players going to a school, transferring away, and then reaching the NBA that slightly skew the numbers but it would be too much work for me to track everyone down. Some examples: BJ Johnson technically is a Syracuse recruit that made it to the NBA. Gbinije is technically a Duke recruit. Andrew White is technically a Kansas recruit. And Semi Ojeleye is technically a Duke recruit. But all in all, I think the numbers are pretty clear.

I would also point out that every recruit is different. For example, Tyler Ulis was a 5 star PG but nobody viewed him as a good NBA prospect due to his size. His draft stock almost certainly improved during his time at Kentucky to eventually become a 2nd round pick. The same is true to different extents for guys like Tyus Jones, Tyler Ennis, and more extreme, Dajuan Coleman. But again, those guys are all included because they are what they are and it would be too difficult for me to go back through hundreds of recruits and try to figure out what their draft stock looked like before they arrived on campus.

TLDR: Kentucky and Duke turn out NBA talent at a significantly better rate than anyone else even if you focus specifically on the 5 stars that every school gets. After that it seems relatively even though it can vary depending on how exactly you want to slice and dice it.

Also, Frank Anselem.

What are the numbers for Syracuse? I'm kind of shocked to see only 5.9% of our 4-stars make the league... that's only 1 in 17.

Tyler Lydon
Malachi Richardson
Michael Carter-Williams
Rakeem Christmas
Jerami Grant
Chris McCullough
Tyler Ennis
Oshae Brissett
Michael Gbinije

There are all guys I would count as Syraucse recruits that have had at least a cup of coffee in the NBA... Gbinije defnitely developed at SU so I'll take credit for him, but not for BJ Johnson.

 

[CDNCuse]

There's definitely development variability between coaches and programs... Spending 3-4 years at Duke or Kentucky practicing vs. other NBA prospects as opposed to playing at Colgate will impact a player's development. However, I don't think spending 6 months at Kentucky absolutely makes them better players than spending 6 months at Florida State, for example.

This is not entirely correct. Cal designs his program with 1 and dones in mind not for players that need more development. Whereas other schools would look at a longer term plan to develop players.

 

[orange79]

Hi everyone! Since Frank Anselem is the title of this thread, let's talk about him. OK?

Not Kentucky, not NBA draft picks, not nuthin' but Frank Anselem.

Thanks.

 

[EastCoast2]

This is not entirely correct. Cal designs his program with 1 and dones in mind not for players that need more development. Whereas other schools would look at a longer term plan to develop players.

I think in general, the goal of most coaches is to improve and develop players as soon as possible... I don't think any coach brings in a recruit thinking hey lets starting working this kid when hes a junior.

... That said, I think Anselem would make a great prospect for Syracuse, and I hope he chooses SU. A 7'5 wingspan, I think I saw earlier, is excellent in the zone.

 

[Nicknack]

Hi everyone! Since Frank Anselem is the title of this thread, let's talk about him. OK?

Not Kentucky, not NBA draft picks, not nuthin' but Frank Anselem.

Thanks.

FRANK... STOP THIS INSANITY ALREADY <please>. Be an ORANGEMAN!

 

[20plus]

Looking real strong, I would say 90% and soon as of 530 pm !!

 

[Cusesky8214]

hopefully this guy doesnt know anything.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

All these numbers being cited... How relevant are they? Coaches getting kids into the NBA is like going to a casino. The guy who goes with $100 and comes out with $500 is either good or lucky, or some combination of the two, but he's still irrelevant. The guy who goes in with $100,000 in chips and comes out with $150,000 is going to be looked at as the 'better player.' A coach needs to create an atmosphere/culture that self-promotes, and Cal and K do that very well. Perception is as important—if not more—than reality, if/when they diverge.

 

[Cusesky8214]

Looking real strong, I would say 90% and soon as of 530 pm !!

I'm rolling with you my man! LGO! Idc what the Twitterverse says. It's all been back and forth garbage anyways and I've got my ORANGE shades on...we have the most to offer! Come on down Franky!!!

 

[Nicknack]

Looking real strong, I would say 90% and soon as of 530 pm !!

I REALLY hope you're right! This guy isn't likely a program changer but could be a vital piece in us returning to our Cuse ways which is what seed we are in the tourney versus bubble talk. I'm so over the annual bubble talk convos.

 

[nyucuse]

Looking real strong, I would say 90% and soon as of 530 pm !!

Is this speculation or is there some source here? Indication of where this is coming from would be appreciated

 

[Nicknack]

Is this speculation or is there some source here? Indication of where this is coming from would be appreciated

No, let's not do this again please. This is a source obviously of some sort. This kind of inquiry is why we have lost a lot of inside knowledge over time here. I don't mean to call you out, nyucuse, but I'm tired of losing insider info because people press or complain and crucify when things change and don't come to fruition.

 

[All4SU]

I am really at the point where I want to see SU build a team of guys ranked 20 - 100 and develop them as a group that will mostly be around for four years. Too much instability with top 10 guys.