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I’ve never been fully sold on that. Christmas developed as much as anyone we’ve had and we didn’t have a “big man coach” that played in the paint.

The guys that haven’t developed just weren’t very talented IMO. And I’m talking offensively as I assume most are when they discuss this topic.

I can’t think of one stiff we’ve had that really developed. Stiffs are gonna be stiffs no matter what position the guy coaching them played 20 years ago. You can’t get blood from a stone. You just hope they improve a bit and play smart out there and can clog the paint and get some rebounds. And the guys who I can think of that developed were not a surprise because they either showed some offensive aptitude early and were just raw or caught behind someone better, or were super athletic.(Christmas, AO, Jackson, Melo, Watkins, Etan, Hill come to mind).

Also, I think Chukwu improved a lot in his time at SU. The first time I saw him play he looked Sean Williams level. He became a solid defensive player who occasionally could be effective on offense - much moreso than he used to, at least. Improved greatly at the FT line. Had a few monster games. I think you could have him be coached by the greatest big man coach in the history of the world for 4 years, and he would maybe be very minimally better. He’s just limited in terms of physical talent, beyond being tall. Hard worker and tough kid though whose overall basketball awareness really came along.
Recent examples - Keita was one player we developed (turned him into a monster on D). Christmas is another. I also think you're right about Chukwu ... who I concede was not a well-oiled offensive machine when he left but improved A LOT at SU. There are other examples - I was going to include Lydon (forward), who went from barely top 100 to 1st round. He struggled in the NBA but he really developed well at SU even to have a shot (we didn't help him much by playing him out of position).

The flip side of it is recruiting. We lost our best center prospect in at least 10 years to Hop. No doubt, part of that was relationship, but IMO some of it was the rep' Hop has with bigs ... worked with them at the Pics and was respected for his ability to develop guys. Some of it is perception .. come here and we have a guy that will work with you. It doesn't have to be a former big, although clearly that helps in recruiting bigs (Manning, Ewing, etc..). All our assistants are former guards. I just think balance would help with player development and recruiting.
 
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Keita was one example of a player we developed IMO. Christmas is another. And I think you're right about Chukwu ... who I concede was not a well-oiled offensive machine when he left but improved A LOT after transferring.

The other side of it is recruiting. We lost our best center prospect in at least 10 years to Hop. SOme of that was relationship, some was that Hop was great with bigs ... worked with them at the Pics and was respected for his ability to develop guys. Some of it is perception .. come here and we have a guy that will work with you. It doesn't have to be a former big, although clearly that helps in recruiting bigs (Manning, Ewing, etc..).
Christmas definitely developed...but he had the capacity to do so. He was strong, athletic, and coordinated right from day 1. He had 8 points in a big NCAA tourney game when he got a chance to play as a freshman. He showed the capacity to be a scorer, he just needed experience and time and reps to become a big scorer.

Contrast that with Keita...I think he developed and maxed out what he could do as well. He was a key player. He just didn’t have the capacity to ever be a scorer. Poor hands, not real strong or smooth. Him not ever being a scorer is nobody’s fault, he just wasn’t gifted in that area.

Just how I see it.
 

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I’ve never been fully sold on that. Christmas developed as much as anyone we’ve had and we didn’t have a “big man coach” that played in the paint.

The guys that haven’t developed just weren’t very talented IMO. And I’m talking offensively as I assume most are when they discuss this topic.

I can’t think of one stiff we’ve had that really developed. Stiffs are gonna be stiffs no matter what position the guy coaching them played 20 years ago. You can’t get blood from a stone. You just hope they improve a bit and play smart out there and can clog the paint and get some rebounds. And the guys who I can think of that developed were not a surprise because they either showed some offensive aptitude early and were just raw or caught behind someone better, or were super athletic.(Christmas, AO, Jackson, Melo, Watkins, Etan, Hill come to mind).

Also, I think Chukwu improved a lot in his time at SU. The first time I saw him play he looked Sean Williams level. He became a solid defensive player who occasionally could be effective on offense - much moreso than he used to, at least. Improved greatly at the FT line. Had a few monster games. I think you could have him be coached by the greatest big man coach in the history of the world for 4 years, and he would maybe be very minimally better. He’s just limited in terms of physical talent, beyond being tall. Hard worker and tough kid though whose overall basketball awareness really came along.
Agree with this completely. You can't teach kids to catch or not trip over their own feet. The biggest problem with bigs is that they are in limited supply, so you typically have to lower the bar on talent and athleticism in direct proportion to height...the taller a prospect is the more you overlook the fact that they can't walk and chew gum at the same time because they can rescue cats from trees without a ladder.

If you get a guy who is tall, talented and athletic most good coaches can develop him or refine his talent having very little to do with how tall the coach is.
 

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