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Class of 2020 C Quincy Ballard (NY) Portal from Wichita St

If you are talking about JJ, he is not a PG - he makes nobody else better. He should be able to improve his game IF we get a true PG to get him the ball in the right spots.

I agree with all of that, but which of the three options that I laid out seems most likely? JJ at PG, JJ as 6th man or small ball? Because it has to be one of those, in my mind. Kiyan and Sadiq didn't come here to not start.
 
I agree with all of that, but which of the three options that I laid out seems most likely? JJ at PG, JJ as 6th man or small ball? Because it has to be one of those, in my mind. Kiyan and Sadiq didn't come here to not start.
I'm working under the assumption now that neither Kiyan nor Sadiq will start. They will get solid minutes off the bench. If I'm wrong, Red's a goner.
 
I'm working under the assumption now that neither Kiyan nor Sadiq will start. They will get solid minutes off the bench. If I'm wrong, Red's a goner.

I'd be interested to know how many top 30 recruits in the last 5 years came off the bench their freshmen year. I'd have to assume that number is close to zero.
 
PG1 is top priority, cant think about $ 1.5 M for a center unless enough $$$ for both.

I’m not sure we don’t have the money for what we need - Ballard is one of the most polished and productive options at the 5 in the portal. If we want to compete we have to pony up and hopefully we can
 
I’m not sure we don’t have the money for what we need - Ballard is one of the most polished and productive options at the 5 in the portal. If we want to compete we have to pony up and hopefully we can
Go all in on the Kansas kid.
 
I'd be interested to know how many top 30 recruits in the last 5 years came off the bench their freshmen year. I'd have to assume that number is close to zero.
These guys are both around 30 I think with Kiyan a bit higher. Definitely not Top 10-15 who would start. Without looking into I would think a lot of freshmen ranked in the 30-40 range are coming off the bench right now especially with the portal. Starting multiple four star freshmen isn't the model right now. Coaches want older guys to start.

Either way, if they're both starting, we're not in good shape. No offense to them as I love these recruits.
 
These guys are both around 30 I think with Kiyan a bit higher. Definitely not Top 10-15 who would start. Without looking into I would think a lot of freshmen ranked in the 30-40 range are coming off the bench right now especially with the portal. Starting multiple four star freshmen isn't the model right now. Coaches want older guys to start.

Either way, if they're both starting, we're not in good shape. No offense to them as I love these recruits.

I suppose you're right, but I guess I'm not overly confident in us being able to completely overhaul our roster through the portal in a way that brings in better players than those two. I know that we hopefully have better mechanisms in place to address the portal this year, but last year was disastrous, which doesn't leave me feeling great about this year, when we need even more pieces.
 
I suppose you're right, but I guess I'm not overly confident in us being able to completely overhaul our roster through the portal in a way that brings in better players than those two. I know that we hopefully have better mechanisms in place to address the portal this year, but last year was disastrous, which doesn't leave me feeling great about this year, when we need even more pieces.
Isn't that one of the reasons why they brought in Kline? Plus, it's been reported that money isn't as much of an issue as it was last year. That's no guarantee that the situation will be better, but at least they're attempting to plug some holes.
 
Isn't that one of the reasons why they brought in Kline? Plus, it's been reported that money isn't as much of an issue as it was last year. That's no guarantee that the situation will be better, but at least they're attempting to plug some holes.

I know, that's why I said that we have new mechanisms in place to address last year's disaster, but I guess I'm an "I'll believe it when I see it" kinda guy here in terms of actually getting the results from the investment.
 
I'd be interested to know how many top 30 recruits in the last 5 years came off the bench their freshmen year. I'd have to assume that number is close to zero.

Half the top 50 of the 2024 class barely registered starts, if any.

No starts or limited starts (single digits):

Flory Bidunga Kansas, 6 starts
Derrion Reed Bama, 3 starts
Tahaad Pettiford Auburn, 1 start
Carter Bryant, Arizona, 5 starts
Bryson Tucker, Indiana, 0 starts
Aiden Sherrell, Bama, 0 starts
Jamari Phillips, Oregon, 0 starts
Isaiah Evans, Duke, 3 starts
Rakease Passmore, Kansas, 0 starts
Patrick Ngongba, Duke, 0 starts
Billy Richmond, Arkansas, 0 starts
Khani Rooths, Louisville, 0 starts
Trent Perry, UCLA, 0 starts
Morez Johnson, Illinois, 8 starts
Cam Scott, South Carolina, 0 starts
Isaiah Elohim, USC, 1 start
Darren Harris, Duke, 0 starts
Somto Cyril, Georgia, 0 starts
Mercy Miller, Houston, 0 starts
Ahmad Nowell, UConn, 0 starts
Tyler Betsey, Cincy, 0 starts
Austin Swartz, Miami, 7 starts
Jason Asemota, Baylor, 0 starts
Kur Teng, Michigan State, 0 starts
Naasir Cunningham, Bama, Redshirted
 
I have nothing against Ballard at all and think he will have a fine last year of college I just hope we can get a different type of player. I want to start looking at bigs more like William Kyle who are more athletic freak types that can get out and run and jump out of the gym, or that are more modern day bigs that can stretch out to the 3-point line. Again not putting down Ballard as a player at all, but just want to get more athletic and get away from the centers like Lampkin, Ballard, McLeod etc.
Cliff Omoruyi is the prototype
 
Half the top 50 of the 2024 class barely registered starts, if any.

No starts or limited starts (single digits):

Flory Bidunga Kansas, 6 starts
Derrion Reed Bama, 3 starts
Tahaad Pettiford Auburn, 1 start
Carter Bryant, Arizona, 5 starts
Bryson Tucker, Indiana, 0 starts
Aiden Sherrell, Bama, 0 starts
Jamari Phillips, Oregon, 0 starts
Isaiah Evans, Duke, 3 starts
Rakease Passmore, Kansas, 0 starts
Patrick Ngongba, Duke, 0 starts
Billy Richmond, Arkansas, 0 starts
Khani Rooths, Louisville, 0 starts
Trent Perry, UCLA, 0 starts
Morez Johnson, Illinois, 8 starts
Cam Scott, South Carolina, 0 starts
Isaiah Elohim, USC, 1 start
Darren Harris, Duke, 0 starts
Somto Cyril, Georgia, 0 starts
Mercy Miller, Houston, 0 starts
Ahmad Nowell, UConn, 0 starts
Tyler Betsey, Cincy, 0 starts
Austin Swartz, Miami, 7 starts
Jason Asemota, Baylor, 0 starts
Kur Teng, Michigan State, 0 starts
Naasir Cunningham, Bama, Redshirted
To some, starting isn't the end all be all of the college choice. Making an obvious pick here, I don't think
Pettiford is all that upset about not starting given where his team is. He's behind 3 seniors, but he still
plays 25 mins/game, and all 4 Gs are within 1.5ppg of each other in scoring.

Previous point, no way in hell do I want Kiyan and JJ starting together; that team will rival the
Girard/Buddy backcourt in awful defense, no one else on the team will get shots, and you have
no true ball handler. I suppose you won't have to worry about turnovers, because they are going
to shoot so much they won't get the chance to turn it over. :)

To original topic, get Ballard. Just get him. A statline of 10 pts, 10 rebs, 2 blks works. Fill in the
offense around him, but IF you're getting centers who hit 70% FGA, at least get them shots, ok? Why
bother if you aren't going to feed the post? I hate offenses that are built around crappy shooters
from deep. Just score. If you can score 80ppg and almost all of it is via points in the point and
midrange 2s, who cares. Gimme the points, AND the ability to stop somebody, and you'll be fine.
You don't need a lineup of shooters that can't stop anybody. That team goes nowhere.

Kev
 
I'd be interested to know how many top 30 recruits in the last 5 years came off the bench their freshmen year. I'd have to assume that number is close to zero.
On3's industry ranking has Sadiq at #30 and Kiyan at #33, so for the sake of expanding the range a little, let's look at 25-40 the last few years. From 2021-2024, we had 63 players go to college in that range (one went to G-League Ignite so I excluded them). Among the 63, they averaged 10 starts in their freshmen season. 36/63 started at least one game. The median number of minutes per game for this group was 14.9 (I'm an idiot and didn't write down total games played so I couldn't properly calculate an average so this is the best you're getting lol). The median for starts was 5. So based on this, I feel like people's expectations are pretty reasonable; Sadiq and Kiyan will likely play a pretty good amount but based purely on their ranking as a recruit, aren't likely to be a full-time starter.

Having said that, it does seem like the sons of famous NBA players that ended up ranked in Kiyan's range as a recruit all played at least half the minutes in their freshmen seasons (rounding Bronny's 19 up here). That is admittedly a very small sample of players though (Jett Howard, Andrej Stojakovic, Bronny, and Jase Richardson).
 
On3 has him as the 9th ranked transfer center and 70th player overall.

I’m not sure the margins between what he could give us and the guys 1-8 above are all that much either maybe with the exception of Freeman.
 
To some, starting isn't the end all be all of the college choice. Making an obvious pick here, I don't think
Pettiford is all that upset about not starting given where his team is. He's behind 3 seniors, but he still
plays 25 mins/game, and all 4 Gs are within 1.5ppg of each other in scoring.

Previous point, no way in hell do I want Kiyan and JJ starting together; that team will rival the
Girard/Buddy backcourt in awful defense, no one else on the team will get shots, and you have
no true ball handler. I suppose you won't have to worry about turnovers, because they are going
to shoot so much they won't get the chance to turn it over. :)

To original topic, get Ballard. Just get him. A statline of 10 pts, 10 rebs, 2 blks works. Fill in the
offense around him, but IF you're getting centers who hit 70% FGA, at least get them shots, ok? Why
bother if you aren't going to feed the post? I hate offenses that are built around crappy shooters
from deep. Just score. If you can score 80ppg and almost all of it is via points in the point and
midrange 2s, who cares. Gimme the points, AND the ability to stop somebody, and you'll be fine.
You don't need a lineup of shooters that can't stop anybody. That team goes nowhere.

Kev
I want players who can force teams to play fast like we used to. The dunk highlight reels didn't come during the 2/3 zone years they came when JB actually played man and trapped to speed up the game, not slow it down.
 
These guys are both around 30 I think with Kiyan a bit higher. Definitely not Top 10-15 who would start. Without looking into I would think a lot of freshmen ranked in the 30-40 range are coming off the bench right now especially with the portal. Starting multiple four star freshmen isn't the model right now. Coaches want older guys to start.

Either way, if they're both starting, we're not in good shape. No offense to them as I love these recruits.
Halfway through the year I could easily see white and Freeman as a two forward combo starting, especially if Freeman is hitting threes. It could be a team like Warwick and Melo, Fair and Joseph where the traditional small forward role is played by a bigger player with multiple skills.

if that happens, Kayan comes off the bench at the two or the three. (And we still need another 3)
 
Halfway through the year I could easily see white and Freeman as a two forward combo starting, especially if Freeman is hitting threes. It could be a team like Warwick and Melo, Fair and Joseph where the traditional small forward role is played by a bigger player with multiple skills.

if that happens, Kayan comes off the bench at the two or the three. (And we still need another 3)
Hakim Warwick and Kayan Anthony, do you work for the ACC Network?
 
I agree with all of that, but which of the three options that I laid out seems most likely? JJ at PG, JJ as 6th man or small ball? Because it has to be one of those, in my mind. Kiyan and Sadiq didn't come here to not start.
I don't believe either of those two guys will start. JJ will play some 1 but a lot more 2.
 
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