Can anyone watch these games and still think our d is the problem?

[rrlbees]

People here still believe that football is being played in the late seventies and early 80's. Barry Switzer is not at Oklahoma anymore!!! I don't know how much college football people watch on this forum. It's much like the hop board where anyone who averages 14 points a game is an NBA lottery pick or first rounder!! I don't know how much NBA basketball people actually watch, probably the same people who try to tell others that LeBron James isn't all that good

I think you're the only one that watches SU. That must be it.

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[rrlbees]

...the fans are part of the problem too.

Which part?

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[rrlbees]

I've never said we were the worst offense in the big east. They're in the bottom quarter in the country. I'm careful about this stuff. I think a lot of dolts on the board that watch the NFL and Syracuse games (and by extension, Big East teams) think "eh the offense is so so". The Big East sucks. who cares if some 100th ranked offense happens to be in our conference

If we're broken on defense, then half the country is broken on defense.

But also as has been pointed out, in relation to the teams on our schedule the defense was a slightly bigger problem that resulted in our record. So yes, nationally our O stats are worse than D stats but it ia reversed against our opponents.

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[kingottoiii]

I've never said we were the worst offense in the big east. They're in the bottom quarter in the country. I'm careful about this stuff. I think a lot of dolts on the board that watch the NFL and Syracuse games (and by extension, Big East teams) think "eh the offense is so so". The Big East sucks. who cares if some 100th ranked offense happens to be in our conference

If we're broken on defense, then half the country is broken on defense.

The D is keeping us from being a Bowl team. The O is keeping us from being a Top 25 team. If any of the teams that played yesterday had our D, they would not have been playing yesterday in the first place.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That is what I don't get. Run your damn system. What he is running now is not working. So why use it? Dumb. If you run a Spread O and take away the zone read because of Nassib, you will still get better results that what we did run. And the kids get to practice and develop in the system. Now they are learning something they won't use. Isn't that the same as firing an OC and hiring a new one? Except you are firing the system?

We also have to be hitting a point of diminishing returns on the offense we're running now (don't laugh). Supposedly this offense is built around Nassib, but every other player on the roster was recruited with a different vision for the offense in mind. So we're jamming a bunch of square pegs into round holes so that the one round peg can fit in the round hole? And we're sure that's a better way to go?

 

[Millhouse]

The D is keeping us from being a Bowl team. The O is keeping us from being a Top 25 team. If any of the teams that played yesterday had our D, they would not have been playing yesterday in the first place.

i pointed out what oklahoma state, oregon and houston's defenses are ranked hoping to curtail idiotic pronouncements such as your post

first you just dismiss any difference in relative performance as "eh everything is broken" and then you move to "the defense is why we didn't go to a bowl"

 

[kingottoiii]

i pointed out what oklahoma state, oregon and houston's defenses are ranked hoping to curtail idiotic pronouncements such as your post

first you just dismiss any difference in relative performance as "eh everything is broken" and then you move to "the defense is why we didn't go to a bowl"

If we had Okie St's D this year we make a Bowl. Simple enough?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If we had Okie St's D this year we make a Bowl. Simple enough?

And if we have Houston's O this year we make a bowl.

We're running in circles, man.

 

[Millhouse]

If we had Okie St's D this year we make a Bowl. Simple enough?

you're nothing if not simple. do you think that maybe, just maybe, if the offense wasn't in the bottom quartile that they could have won another game?

 

[SWC75]

There's plenty of blame to go around. That UConn game shows it. Coach P ran it straight at his former star linebacker's guys b/c he knew that they couldn't stop a lightly recruited UConn young QB. Think about that.

And, there are plenty here who thought that last season we should've gone all out spread / fast break whatever you want to call it. And we clearly had the talent for next to none of that.

Nassib completed 22 in a row when we were in that mode at the end of the Rhode Island game and the beginning of the USC game. The next week Hackett excitedly told a reporter "We're gonna play Doug Marrone football- we're gonna run the ball!" Nassib was never as good again.

 

[SWC75]

I am doubtful that without a much larger comittment from Syracuse University that we will every be competitive at that level. It's like paying for a honda civic and expecting to hang in a race with a Roush mustang. we can talk about assistants, scheme, etc etc, the problems are everywhere with this program. money, direction, coaching, players, scheme, etc etc.

Why is Oklahoma St, Oregon, Wisconsin, even Stanford good? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Phil Knight and T Boone Pickens went to sleep with smiles on their faces last night. Unfortunately we don't have a Knight or a Pickens so we have to find something else.

 

[SWC75]

And if we have Houston's O this year we make a bowl.

We're running in circles, man.

The announcers kept saying of Okie State was that they were a "tempo" team. When they played fast, they scored. When they played slow, they didn't. Of course they have more talent than we do but maybe some of that is that players want to come there to play that style. If we were famous for our wide open offesne on the fast track of the Carrier Dome, I would think we'd have a lot more speed and talent on the team than we do.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If we were famous for our wide open offesne on the fast track of the Carrier Dome, I would think we'd have a more speed and talent on the team than we do.

Boom. Spot on.

 

[kingottoiii]

you're nothing if not simple. do you think that maybe, just maybe, if the offense wasn't in the bottom quartile that they could have won another game?

Of course. But you are the simpleton. You think it is all O. No the D couldn't have won us one more game. No the STs could not have won us one more game. It is all the O.

Admins when are we going to get the ignore feature back so we can weed out the morons?

 

[Millhouse]

Nassib completed 22 in a row when we were in that mode at the end of the Rhode Island game and the beginning of the USC game. The next week Hackett excitedly told a reporter "We're gonna play Doug Marrone football- we're gonna run the ball!" Nassib was never as good again.

you should disregard URI. nassib does well against FCS teams regardless of what Hackett says to reporters.

 

[Scooch]

I'm beginning to wonder if 2010 didn't do more harm than good, speaking from a purely football "philosophy" perspective. Of course getting to a bowl was great from a fanbase and recruiting perspective. But slogging our way to 6 D1-A wins in the manner that we did seems to have sentMarrone into this strategic shift whereby the goal is to slog our way to being within a score late in the 4th quarter, and then try to win it.

Knowing that we were going to have a below average D, knowing that Nassib seemed to be best when we were uptempo, and yet still insisting week after week that we were going to pound the ball on the ground appears to me to have been influenced by our 2010 "success".

Totally understand that we don't have the horses, presumably, to be an Oregon or a Houston on offense. But we should be better than we are. Teams with less experience and similar-to-worse talent are better than us consistently on offense.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm beginning to wonder of 2010 didn't do more harm than good, speaking from a purely football "philosophy" perspective. of course getting to a bowl was great from a fanbase and recruiting perspective. But slogging our way to 6 D1-A wins in the manner that we did seems to have send Marrone into this strategic shift whereby the goal is to slog our way to being within a score late in the 4th quarter, and then try to win it.

Knowing that we were going to have a below average D, knowing that Nassib seemed to be best when we were uptempo, and yet still insisting week after week that we were going to pound the ball on the ground appears to me to have been influenced by our 2010 "success".

Totally understand that we don't have the horses, presumably, to be an Oregon or a Houston on offense. But we should be better than we are. Teams with less experience and similar-to-worse talent are better than us consistently on offense.

I live in terror that you're right.

 

[Millhouse]

Of course. But you are the simpleton. You think it is all O. No the D couldn't have won us one more game. No the STs could not have won us one more game. It is all the O.

Admins when are we going to get the ignore feature back so we can weed out the morons?

i never said it's all o. i have consistently said that the offense was worse than the defense. this doesn't imply that i thought the defense was good. i think it's easier for most teams to sustain a good offense than it is to sustain a good defense. when the defense is good, fantastic. but it's not something we can expect to carry crappy offenses year in year out considering how much other good teams struggle to have defensive consistency.

You are the one that said the defense cost us the bowl.

 

[rosconey]

offense is a total clusterf#$@-one week we hear that we run a new orleans style offense the next week we are told its a ground pounder style we want to run(complete opposite of new orleans) -

if the staff has no idea what identity it wants for offense how the hell can the players?

 

[Chip]

I'm beginning to wonder if 2010 didn't do more harm than good, speaking from a purely football "philosophy" perspective. Of course getting to a bowl was great from a fanbase and recruiting perspective. But slogging our way to 6 D1-A wins in the manner that we did seems to have sentMarrone into this strategic shift whereby the goal is to slog our way to being within a score late in the 4th quarter, and then try to win it.

Knowing that we were going to have a below average D, knowing that Nassib seemed to be best when we were uptempo, and yet still insisting week after week that we were going to pound the ball on the ground appears to me to have been influenced by our 2010 "success".

Totally understand that we don't have the horses, presumably, to be an Oregon or a Houston on offense. But we should be better than we are. Teams with less experience and similar-to-worse talent are better than us consistently on offense.

I think you're probably right. But I also think that 2011 made him realize, ok I guess there are flaws in that logic. Hoping anyway. He could also be thinking, just wait 2 years from now until that D grows up, this 5-7 becomes 7-5 and we rule the world.

Really really really hope it was a fear of personnel on offense, and a fear to get the young guys out there too early. Getting a guy like Kobena on the field more would be so helpful to this offense, provided he can catch a football. And need to hope that the development of 4 year offensive linemen will be more productive than the plugging in of JUCO lineman.

God I hate hoping sometimes, all Presidential politics aside.

 

[Millhouse]

I think you're probably right. But I also think that 2011 made him realize, ok I guess there are flaws in that logic. Hoping anyway. He could also be thinking, just wait 2 years from now until that D grows up, this 5-7 becomes 7-5 and we rule the world.

Really really really hope it was a fear of personnel on offense, and a fear to get the young guys out there too early. Getting a guy like Kobena on the field more would be so helpful to this offense, provided he can catch a football. And need to hope that the development of 4 year offensive linemen will be more productive than the plugging in of JUCO lineman.

God I hate hoping sometimes, all Presidential politics aside.

his job is safe, doesn't need to whiteknuckle so much. take the lumps next year, install something useful on offense and build something for 2013

 

[rosconey]

his job is safe, doesn't need to whiteknuckle so much. take the lumps next year, install something useful on offense and build something for 2013

program cant weather another disaster like this season -at some point he has to be responsible for the lack of a on field product-

the way special teams was handled you really have to wonder if he is head coach material- a crappy head coach understands how much special teams can help a poor team and he couldn't-

 

[Millhouse]

program cant weather another disaster like this season -at some point he has to be responsible for the lack of a on field product-

the way special teams was handled you really have to wonder if he is head coach material- a crappy head coach understands how much special teams can help a poor team and he couldn't-

programs can weather 5 win seasons. won't be the end of the world to start thinking further out

 

[Rocco]

It really is amazing what the difference is between 5-7 and 6-6 or 7-5 is. 1 or 2 ing games. marrone isn't ballsy enough to take the deep shots or run the risky offense. sure he doesn't have the playmakers, but someone on the team has to be capable of making big plays. if not, marrone's recruiting is terrible. this power running isn't going to cut it. 3 and outs kill the D, which is alot of the reason they got burned so bad alot of times this year. they had no legs.

it starts with the O, which eventually affects the D after they get stuck on the field because the O can't get a first down. ST is in left field. cant wait to see how marrone untangles this web, but i still believe he is the man for the job.

 

[kingottoiii]

It really is amazing what the difference is between 5-7 and 6-6 or 7-5 is. 1 or 2 ******* games. marrone isn't ballsy enough to take the deep shots or run the risky offense. sure he doesn't have the playmakers, but someone on the team has to be capable of making big plays. if not, marrone's recruiting is terrible. this power running isn't going to cut it. 3 and outs kill the D, which is alot of the reason they got burned so bad alot of times this year. they had no legs.

it starts with the O, which eventually affects the D after they get stuck on the field because the O can't get a first down. ST is in left field. cant wait to see how marrone untangles this web, but i still believe he is the man for the job.

So falling behind early by two scores (which happened just about every game the last 5) was because the D was tired? Continually giving up 3rd and long conversions and long drive after long drive is because of the O? And where are all these 3 and outs you speak of?