Can we talk about the Chino "foul"

[CusefanATL]

 

[MorangeFan]

Officiating has ruined CBB for me. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but the way Cuse was called for fouls yesterday looked like an ACC agenda. They desperately tried to give Wake any chance to stay in that game. Sadly Wake chose not not play D so it was all for naught.

 

[Deano]

I know one thing, Devin Thomas is a huge punk and crier. How he didn't get a T or two yesterday was amazing.

 

[orangefog]

I probably have orange colored glasses on, but for the past couple of years it seems like we get called for fouls that none of the original ACC schools get called for. Raj would get a beat down every game last year.

 

[Orangeman]

I probably have orange colored glasses on, but for the past couple of years it seems like we get called for fouls that none of the original ACC schools get called for. Raj would get a beat down every game last year.

This isn't meant as another of anti-zone posts (as a forever defense anyway, I have plenty of those)...but I think the type of contact that occurs in zone is just treated differently than if you're guarding that man.

It doesn't make sense but I've noticed it for years.

Referee bias against zone contact.

 

[OttoMets]

That's some lousy video; the actual replay showed more contact than that.

Obokoh gave Thomas the same contact that #44 gave Coleman every time we initiated our offense. Foul, probably; consistent, not at all.

 

[realorange]

I was at the game and I agree with everyone's thoughts on the officiating. They were just as bad on many of the fouls called on Wake. Mrs. real said they needed to go back to referee school.

 

[br801]

This isn't meant as another of anti-zone posts (as a forever defense anyway, I have plenty of those)...but I think the type of contact that occurs in zone is just treated differently than if you're guarding that man.

It doesn't make sense but I've noticed it for years.

Referee bias against zone contact.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Personally, I'm glad the game was officiated horribly. Gets us ready for tomorrow when we're going against Duke.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The one that didn't make sense to me was the one where it looked like Malachi drew a charge on the Wake guy, the Wake guy complained, and they called the blocking foul on Malachi.

 

[AZOrange]

The one that didn't make sense to me was the one where it looked like Malachi drew a charge on the Wake guy, the Wake guy complained, and they called the blocking foul on Malachi.

The funny part is that it was right. Yesterday set a new standard for me in bad officiating. Wake shot 42 FTs and lost by 30. I'd bet that has never happened. Ever.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The funny part is that it was right. Yesterday set a new standard for me in bad officiating. Wake shot 42 FTs and lost by 30. I'd bet that has never happened. Ever.

I think it was the right call, I just can't remember a call getting overturned like that because the player argued.

 

[AZOrange]

I think it was the right call, I just can't remember a call getting overturned like that because the player argued.

Didn't they go to the monitor? That was odd. I wish they'd just embed alarms in the shoes, so that when the players step in there the shoes explode. Then we can get back to playing basketball.

 

[urban96]

The one that didn't make sense to me was the one where it looked like Malachi drew a charge on the Wake guy, the Wake guy complained, and they called the blocking foul on Malachi.

I think they showed a replay and Mal had his foot on the line.

The one that made me mad was the missed call on Devin Thomas when he tapped in a missed free throw by blatantly pushing off of lydon

 

[Shermthegeneral]

Ever since we joined the ACC the calls usually go against us. If there are any number crunchers out there, I'd love to see a breakdown of fouls during ACC play SU vs opponents.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I think they showed a replay and Mal had his foot on the line.

The one that made me mad was the missed call on Devin Thomas when he tapped in a missed free throw by blatantly pushing off of lydon

Yeah, I think they did make the right call... eventually. It was just weird to me that the player argued it and it got overturned.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

I thought the Chino call was the worst. It looked like Thomas went right into Chino. And the discussion before it makes it worse.
The second worst goes to the one on DC2 when he was trying to get out of the way.

The one on Mal made no sense. They called a charge. Reviewed it and saw a foot in the circle. But then shouldn't it just be a non-call? If not, that means you could just dribble into anyone inside the circle.

 

[AZOrange]

I thought the Chino call was the worst. It looked like Thomas went right into Chino. And the discussion before it makes it worse.
The second worst goes to the one on DC2 when he was trying to get out of the way.

The one on Mal made no sense. They called a charge. Reviewed it and saw a foot in the circle. But then shouldn't it just be a non-call? If not, that means you could just dribble into anyone inside the circle.

The circle has become the "end all be all" of the block/charge call. They don't even look at positioning anymore

 

[Ghost]

I thought the Chino call was the worst. It looked like Thomas went right into Chino. And the discussion before it makes it worse.
The second worst goes to the one on DC2 when he was trying to get out of the way.

The one on Mal made no sense. They called a charge. Reviewed it and saw a foot in the circle. But then shouldn't it just be a non-call? If not, that means you could just dribble into anyone inside the circle.

Yeah, that's what's bothersome. Thomas clearly intimidated that ref into making that call.

He should have been called for a technical, if anything, for aggressively bouncing the ball and then approaching the ref and eyeballing (mad dog!!!!) for more than a couple seconds. I'm cool with no technical, let him vent if you want....However, you can't let him do that and then REWARD THE IDIOT.

Great message, "get in my face, I'll give you a call."

 

[pfister1]

I think it was the right call, I just can't remember a call getting overturned like that because the player argued.

I don't think it was overturned like your suggesting. If you go back and look at the replay the one ref pointed to the floor where Malachi was standing on the semi-circle almost immediately. I think one ref called the charge, the other ref overturned him and then they went to the monitor to see who was right.

 

[retro44]

Yeah I wanted to punch that ref in the throat twice. Thomas was the aggressor on that one

 

[shandeezy7]

I don't think it was overturned like your suggesting. If you go back and look at the replay the one ref pointed to the floor where Malachi was standing on the semi-circle almost immediately. I think one ref called the charge, the other ref overturned him and then they went to the monitor to see who was right.

I think the announcers actually said that they were going to the monitor because none of the three blind mice were able to identify who they just called the foul on.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

NBA refs take alot of flak, but the greatest difference in quality between college and pro officiating is NBA vs NCAA bball. College bball refs are barely competent. They seem to just make calls to create NBA Jams type momentum swings.

That foul on Chino was one where all Chino does is stand his ground. Thats it. He doesn't let the guy bump him under the basket. It was good, solid defense. Are you supposed to just let the offensive player take your space if they want it?

That fourth foul on Coleman was a thing of beauty. He literally moves out of the way of the player and gets called for a foul.

 

[CusefanATL]

That's some lousy video; the actual replay showed more contact than that.

Obokoh gave Thomas the same contact that #44 gave Coleman every time we initiated our offense. Foul, probably; consistent, not at all.

I honestly cant tell if you are being serious. But that was the actual gameplay. I dont think they ever showed a replay. But you can clearly see what happened.

I filmed it from my cell phone after hitting play on my TV.

 

[SBU72]

Personally, I'm glad the game was officiated horribly. Gets us ready for tomorrow when we're going against Duke.

Like trying to prepare for the SU zone, nothing can prepare a team for playing at Duke or how the refs call the game.