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[grepal]

Um, no. Not in any way shape or form in the late 90's. Super boring football

I am a coach P fan. I live right near where he he lived in CT. He is a very good man, a real straight shooter, high character person. If my son played Football he would be what I would look for as a mentor in terms of building character. He just does not have the "it" factor Coach Mac had and Dino has. I agree Dino may need help with in game adjustments but I think one needs to bring passion to recruit good players to SU. The weather is no help and compared to our peers the facilities are not top of the charts. Hoping for an exciting year with a full "new" Dome to bring the fans back in droves. It can be done here, I am again excited by the prospects. Of course I have been excited by the hope and prospects even is the Schafer and Maloney eras so I just may be an old fanboy.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I'm fine with 2 more years regardless considering the world was turned upside down recently and how good 2018 was.

Can't believe we haven't recruited a D1 wide receiver other than Taj Harris though across what 6 cycles?!?!

That said we are a pickem W1 and if we lose that and don't beat Rutgers at home and are 0-2 you might have to consider handing things off to Tony White.

 

[BrooklynCuse]

90’s boring?

I think Coach P had THREE 10 win seasons, finished in the top 25 like 7 out of 14 years, only had 1 losing season and had 7 first round NFL draft picks.

No way that was boring football.

I think if Dino wins 6 and loses a bowl game he’s fine. If he wins 5 it might be a tough call. Hopefully he’ll win 10 and we won’t have to worry about it

 

[elimunelson]

90’s boring?

I think Coach P had THREE 10 win seasons, finished in the top 25 like 7 out of 14 years, only had 1 losing season and had 7 first round NFL draft picks.

No way that was boring football.

I think if Dino wins 6 and loses a bowl game he’s fine. If he wins 5 it might be a tough call. Hopefully he’ll win 10 and we won’t have to worry about it

People are dumb if they think the 90s Syracuse football program was boring because Paul Pasqualoni conducted himself in a very serious/professional manner. I guess Syracuse basketball is boring too because Jim Boeheim is picking his nose and looking like he is squinting to read a small menu.

It's a statement on society that we love shiny toys vs productive ones. Give me the 90s back with all the underachieving that some like to point out. To underachieve one has to have expectations and talent. We had massive talent in the 90s on the Hill. An SEC amount of it actually.

Scooch said it best, Dino isn't hotter on the seat because we are a loser program now. We are essentially Rutgers 1995 at this point. It's kinda pathetic but that's where we are. Hopefully Dino can turn it around but those of us that experienced the good ole days really pine for it. and i'd love to rekindle it with a "boring" HC running the show

 

[TheCusian]

People are dumb if they think the 90s Syracuse football program was boring because Paul Pasqualoni conducted himself in a very serious/professional manner. I guess Syracuse basketball is boring too because Jim Boeheim is picking his nose and looking like he is squinting to read a small menu.

It's a statement on society that we love shiny toys vs productive ones. Give me the 90s back with all the underachieving that some like to point out. To underachieve one has to have expectations and talent. We had massive talent in the 90s on the Hill. An SEC amount of it actually.

Scooch said it best, Dino isn't hotter on the seat because we are a loser program now. We are essentially Rutgers 1995 at this point. It's kinda pathetic but that's where we are. Hopefully Dino can turn it around but those of us that experienced the good ole days really pine for it. and i'd love to rekindle it with a "boring" HC running the show

I wouldn't categorize it as boring. But I think you can look at the way we see the recent mens CBB teams. There's a certain level you attain and then maintain that is stuck between ok and good that looks and feels ... consistent. Good enough to win 7-8 games but not great enough to win the New Years bowl. Like you're always about 3/4 of the way up the mountain long enough and fans get restless and unhappy with this consistency.

Obviously, this is way, way better than the wilderness we've been in the past 20+ years. But at the time? I could see (and probably) was taking the success for granted and that can feel boring. And yes, that sounds great to us now.

EDIT: And I think comparing us to Rutgers 1995 is malpractice. They'd *die* for our 2018.

 

[Chip]

People are dumb if they think the 90s Syracuse football program was boring because Paul Pasqualoni conducted himself in a very serious/professional manner.

I thought he was saying it more based on the fact that we had a run based offense.

It wasn't a boring offense though (ok, yeah, the 1996 Liberty Bowl win was a bit snoozy, but we still rushed for 400 yards and won).

Waiting to see what Graves or McNabb would do next (or even Mason in the first 7 games of 1994 anyway) was anything but boring. We often took deep shots down the field. Had exciting players all over the offense.

But then competitors rose up around us, we allowed things to get stale, didn't spend any money to keep up, and we just couldn't recruit the same player pool overall (grabbed a few good ones here and there but not enough).

 

[orangecuse]

3’s generous considering we may be a dog on the road vs a mac program to start the year

"As the coach at Syracuse, if you play Akron 1000 times, how many times do you expect to win?"


Greg Robinson:


"I don't know. I.. that is...we expect to win a lot more than we lose."


Same question from Schwartz to SU Athletic Director Daryl Gross:


Gross:


"I expect a thousand. We're Syracuse. We should beat Akron. It's that simple."

That was 2008! 13 years later and being dogs in this game really makes this saying ring true: 'The more things change the more they stay the same.'

 

[Deleted member 8116]

Lol - give me the most boring team in the nation if it means...

95: 9-3, Gator Bowl
96: 9-3, Liberty Bowl
97: 9-4, Fiesta Bowl
98: 8-4, Orange Bowl
99: 7-5, Music City Bowl

This is the problem with a lot of Cuse fans. 42 wins in 5 years was BORING FOOTBALL. C'mon man!

Exactly. Give me boring with a tons of W’s over exciting at 1-10…

 

[Orangeman]

2 things

1. Every single one of those teams underachieved based on the talent
2. Note the trend of those years.

That G-Rob hire really set us back in immeasurable ways :|

No, the schedules were ridiculous. Underachieved is not accurate. In today's world those teams were 10-2 or 11-1

 

[JeffCuse]

No, the schedules were ridiculous. Underachieved is not accurate. In today's world those teams were 10-2 or

No, the schedules were ridiculous. Underachieved is not accurate. In today's world those teams were 10-2 or 11-1

11-1

Eh...they lost plenty of games they had no business losing as a top 25 team. ECU...NCSt... Minn...no arguing they were much better of course. But most years there was at least one headscratching loss, often early season, they quickly derailed any chance of a truly elite season.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Eh...they lost plenty of games they had no business losing as a top 25 team. ECU...NCSt... Minn...no arguing they were much better of course. But most years there was at least one headscratching loss, often early season, they quickly derailed any chance of a truly elite season.

Top 25 teams do lose games like that. Those Syracuse teams were excellent. We wanted them to be elite, but they just weren’t.

 

[JeffCuse]

Top 25 teams do lose games like that. Those Syracuse teams were excellent. We wanted them to be elite, but they just weren’t.

I think in some cases the players were. But I digress, I'll move on.

 

[donniesyracuse]

I think in some cases the players were.

Many of the players were, just not enough.

 

[elimunelson]

Top 25 teams do lose games like that. Those Syracuse teams were excellent. We wanted them to be elite, but they just weren’t.

I think the issue from the mid 90s era was people thought (rightfully so) that those teams could compete for a major bowl and/or be in the discussion for the title. May be crazy but if things broke one way or the other we COULD get involved. I think our avatar was Va Tech who did break through and got to a title game. It was possible and our peer school, at the time, did it.

Of course looking back they did fine with some perspective now

 

[JeffCuse]

Many of the players were, just not enough.

I just had a discussion with someone about the offensive playcalling prior to the field goal that put us up by 2 towards the end of that 1998 Tennessee game. Borderline NFL HOF QB and we are running into the line on 3rd and 4 from the 5 yard line w 3 minutes to go.

I can't get back into these weeds.

I'm gonna leave it alone...

 

[Orangeman]

Eh...they lost plenty of games they had no business losing as a top 25 team. ECU...NCSt... Minn...no arguing they were much better of course. But most years there was at least one headscratching loss, often early season, they quickly derailed any chance of a truly elite season.

You're not wrong, at all, I'm just providing some perspective

TENNESSEE
@ Michigan
@NC State
plus
Miami
BC
VT
WV
etc etc
It just doesn't happen anymore.

But you're not wrong.

 

[kcsu]

Ps twice the coach of Dino. It's not even close.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

You're not wrong, at all, I'm just providing some perspective

TENNESSEE
@ Michigan
@NC State
plus
Miami
BC
VT
WV
etc etc
It just doesn't happen anymore.

But you're not wrong.

I was just reflecting on our non-conference schedule in 1998. A razor thin loss to eventual National Champion Tennessee and a beat down of defending National Champion Michigan in the Big House.

Now we are debating how many wins we can get out of a non-conference schedule consisting of Ohio, Albany, Rutgers, and Liberty.

 

[TheCusian]

I was just reflecting on our non-conference schedule in 1998. A razor thin loss to eventual National Champion Tennessee and a beat down of defending National Champion Michigan in the Big House.

Now we are debating how many wins we can get out of a non-conference schedule consisting of Ohio, Albany, Rutgers, and Liberty.

The difference now is that we play that Tenn team every year in our division so we don’t have to load up in OOC

 

[orangencpolice]

This, to me, is going to be the biggest issue.

I don't know what the current buy out is, but I'd imagine it's still pretty high. Also, when does the buy out decrease. If the buyout doesn't go down until after the season is over, don't expect any change before then because SU won't want to eat that chunk of change, even if that's what's best for the program.

In full disclosure, I'm hoping that Dino rights the ship this year and gets to 6 wins and a bowl game. I think he represents SU really well during press conferences and in front of the national media.

I agree with all of the great things everyone here is saying about HCDB, however his game coaching has been questionable and his players have made some really boneheaded moves as of lately. I just want some consistency along with some wins.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

The difference now is that we play that Tenn team every year in our division so we don’t have to load up in OOC

That wasn’t really my point. The point is that we are NOT loading up OOC and yet I’m reading here that many fans are worried about how many of these juggernauts we can actually defeat. That was not the case against our OOC schedule in the year I referenced.

Don't get me wrong; if it takes scheduling a bunch of teams that barely have a pulse in order to get our mojo back, count me in. I just find it depressing that those very same teams might think that we are the ones who barely have a pulse. They are wrong, at least hopefully, but it offends me that they, the national pundits, and some of our own fans might actually have a reason to feel that way.

 

[007]

They are wrong, at least hopefully, but it offends me that they, the national pundits, and some of our own fans might actually have a reason to feel that way.

Speaking to just this one point: 73-121 (nearly 8 losses/season on average) since the 2005 season is the reality behind the perceptions. And water is wet.

And yet, I still believe. Admittedly, without much evidence. I accept the reality that is the state of the program because I am a fan. To be clear, I am not suggesting that you are not - I know that you are (as well as articulate, intelligent, of a certain "vintage," and, most likely, good looking). Damn few of us left.

Fair or not, we have "earned" the reputation from the national pundits and the perception that the program barely has a pulse. There is only one way to change that. So, there I will be in my seat for every home game. Believing. Hoping for evidence that may never come. But tempered by all the magic, fleeting moments I have already witnessed as a 30+ years Syracuse football fan. Forever grateful that I was not born a Rutgers or UCONN fan.

 

[ForCuseSake]

I think the issue from the mid 90s era was people thought (rightfully so) that those teams could compete for a major bowl and/or be in the discussion for the title. May be crazy but if things broke one way or the other we COULD get involved. I think our avatar was Va Tech who did break through and got to a title game. It was possible and our peer school, at the time, did it.

Of course looking back they did fine with some perspective now

Va Tech became our doppelgänger who played cream puffs when we were playing the tOSUs, UFs, and UTs (both) of the world.

I always thought of “Beamerball” as feasting on clubbed baby seals to maintain enough health and depth against better competition.

Schiano took Beamerball to a new level 20 years ago but too many people forget (or don’t know) that Frank Beamer mastered the art of program building through feasting on cupcakes.

He did it long enough that nobody remembers/cares and Beamerball morphed into winning with great ST play.

Looking forward to the day SU crosses back over to respectability so I no longer have to contemplate these things.

 

[GoSU96]

Um, no. Not in any way shape or form in the late 90's. Super boring football

What?

that’s ridiculous, some of the most exciting, dynamic, and emphatic performances in the history of the program

 

[GoSU96]

2 things

1. Every single one of those teams underachieved based on the talent
2. Note the trend of those years.

That G-Rob hire really set us back in immeasurable ways :|

clueless