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CDRW 51/65 637 yards 9 TD 0 int 164 yards rushing 2 td

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I actually didn't think he was even good enough to be productive even at a non Power 5 school. That Friday night game vs BC sticks out in my mind with how bad our offense was. So good for Carlos. I'm happy he could find a situation where he could be successful.
 
Don’t wonder at all, nothing against him, glad he is playing but he is not a P4 QB. I line who we have.
 
djorange1989 said:
If we played Louisiana and Middle Tennessee every week he would have been great here. That being said, very happy for him and no I don’t think he would have succeeded here under Fran and Nixon
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The Tulane Qb had no problem lighting up the Duke defense. Is Tulane more talented than Syracuse? Is there QB that much better? he is a transfer from BYU, not LSU. I think people get carried away here.
 
MSOrange said:
I actually didn't think he was even good enough to be productive even at a non Power 5 school. That Friday night game vs BC sticks out in my mind with how bad our offense was. So good for Carlos. I'm happy he could find a situation where he could be successful.
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i'm surprised too
 
Millhouse said:
elon threw better against duke than we did
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as I said, it was one of the worst Syracuse games I can remember, if not the worst considering the opponent and that is saying something. I am surprised I haven't seen the press coverage or bigger, faster, stronger arguments
 
PhatOrange said:
Jacobian Morgan since leaving Syracuse for Jackson State.

296 for 467
63.3%
3,694 yards
33 TDs
10 Ints

at Syracuse he was
32 for 50
288 yards
2 TD, 2 Int
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I really liked him. Not as QB1 but I think he was a great option as QB2. Sadly outside of underclassmen it is hard to get anyone to stick around to be QB2.
 
I always felt like Jacobian Morgan had some intriguing tools / upside, but would be one of those guys who would take a couple of years to develop. And true to form, looks like he's rounded into a decent collegiate QB. Maybe shifting down a level helped him actualized that potential, too.

Never felt like CDRW had much upside. He had a couple of starts and saw a fairly decent amount of snaps, but never looked like he had the innate feel for the position. Have also heard that his focus / work ethic were lacking. Maybe that's changed. And maybe moving down a level was a good shift for him.

Either way, wish both of them well -- but think we are in a better spot with the direction we're going at QB.
 
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RF2044 said:
I always felt like Jacobian Morgan had some intriguing tools / upside, but would be one of those guys who would take a couple of years to develop. And true to form, looks like he's rounded into a decent collegiate QB.

Never felt like CDRW had much upside. He had a couple of starts and saw a fairly decent amount of snaps, but never looked like he had the innate feel for the position. Have also heard that his focus / work ethic were lacking. Maybe that's changed. And maybe moving down a level was a good shift for him.

Either way, wish both of them well -- but think we are in a better spot with the direction we're going at QB.
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We are in a better spot right now?
 
Millhouse said:
We are in a better spot right now?
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Yes, with the direction we're going at QB -- the injury to Angeli was unfortunate, and puts us in a tough position short-term. But that bad luck with a non-contact injury doesn't change that we're benefitting at the macro level from bringing in better QB passers than players like Morgan and CDRW by using the transfer portal to land guys like McCord and Angeli.

I don't think CDRW would help us. Had he stuck around, he would be like Collins, just two years older.

Collins probably isn't going to pan out. No argument there. Still was a worthwhile gamble, compared to retaining CDRW.
 
RF2044 said:
I always felt like Jacobian Morgan had some intriguing tools / upside, but would be one of those guys who would take a couple of years to develop. And true to form, looks like he's rounded into a decent collegiate QB. Maybe shifting down a level helped him actualized that potential, too.

Never felt like CDRW had much upside. He had a couple of starts and saw a fairly decent amount of snaps, but never looked like he had the innate feel for the position. Have also heard that his focus / work ethic were lacking. Maybe that's changed. And maybe moving down a level was a good shift for him.

Either way, wish both of them well -- but think we are in a better spot with the direction we're going at QB.
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Idk he was thrown to the wolves here. True freshman in 2020, covid year.

Our direction is suspect. It's reasonable to give Collins a bigger sample size but we'll see. Carney looks tiny.

We'll probably be having the same conversion about Jakhari Williams in a couple of years. Another young kid who's film looked good and who can run. He was a solid recruit for this program. It'd be nice to really know what his deal is.
 
IthacaBarrel said:
The Tulane Qb had no problem lighting up the Duke defense. Is Tulane more talented than Syracuse? Is there QB that much better? he is a transfer from BYU, not LSU. I think people get carried away here.
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BYU was kind of good last year, IIRC. They beat SMU, no?
 
PhatOrange said:
Idk he was thrown to the wolves here. True freshman in 2020, covid year.

Our direction is suspect. It's reasonable to give Collins a bigger sample size but we'll see. Carney looks tiny.

We'll probably be having the same conversion about Jakhari Williams in a couple of years. Another young kid who's film looked good and who can run. He was a solid recruit for this program. It'd be nice to really know what his deal is.
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Suspect? We went out and in two consecutive years landed two portal transfer QBs who fit perfectly in Nixon's offensive system, who both were leading the nation in passing. The direction is great.

QB prospects are always going to be a crapshoot. Even highly rated ones. Under this new staff, we hit a home run landing portal transfer McCord, and it looks like we may have again with Angeli. Collins -- jury is still out, but even if he doesn't pan out, we swiftly recruited over him by landing Angeli the same offseason.

The injury to Angeli doesn't invalidate the direction, nor the strategic value of the approach this staff is taking.
 
RF2044 said:
Suspect? We went out and in two consecutive years landed two portal transfer QBs who fit perfectly in Nixon's offensive system, who both were leading the nation in passing. The direction is great.

QB prospects are always going to be a crapshoot. Even highly rated ones. Under this new staff, we hit a home run landing portal transfer McCord, and it looks like we may have again with Angeli. Collins -- jury is still out, but even if he doesn't pan out, we swiftly recruited over him by landing Angeli the same offseason.

The injury to Angeli doesn't invalidate the direction, nor the strategic value of the approach this staff is taking.
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Angeli's rating against fbs so far was 72nd in the country

I'm not convinced that factory backup who didn't win job is or isn't the way to go here

McCord woo
Angeli meh
Collins ugh

Throwing a lot is good but I'm not sure they hit a hr with angeli at all even though I really wish he were still in there selfishly (on top of feeling terrible for him)
 
Millhouse said:
Angeli's rating against fbs so far was 72nd in the country

I'm not convinced that factory backup who didn't win job is or isn't the way to go here

McCord woo
Angeli meh
Collins ugh

Throwing a lot is good but I'm not sure they hit a hr with angeli at all even though I really wish he were still in there selfishly (on top of feeling terrible for him)
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Meh?

Angleli's FBS opponents thus far included playing Tennessee and Clemson -- both on the road.
 
RF2044 said:
Suspect? We went out and in two consecutive years landed two portal transfer QBs who fit perfectly in Nixon's offensive system, who both were leading the nation in passing. The direction is great.

QB prospects are always going to be a crapshoot. Even highly rated ones. Under this new staff, we hit a home run landing portal transfer McCord, and it looks like we may have again with Angeli. Collins -- jury is still out, but even if he doesn't pan out, we swiftly recruited over him by landing Angeli the same offseason.

The injury to Angeli doesn't invalidate the direction, nor the strategic value of the approach this staff is taking.
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Getting portal QBs as good as Angeli and McCord was a blessing and probably not the norm.

Angeli only happened after our staff saw what they had in Collins and started making phone calls. The Northern NJ well is dry now to.

Portal QB will be a crap shoot to. Plenty of them are meh. The other kid we wanted who went to Colorado got benched.
 
MSOrange said:
I actually didn't think he was even good enough to be productive even at a non Power 5 school. That Friday night game vs BC sticks out in my mind with how bad our offense was. So good for Carlos. I'm happy he could find a situation where he could be successful.
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I was at the Pitt game in 22 and I think he was worse that day than that BC night game and that's saying something.
 
I mean, I don’t think you can judge based on what he’s doing at a G5 school. There are always G5 QB’s that put up big numbers that can’t do it at a P4. Or FCS etc. I do know that he never looked really comfortable here as a dual threat in a system where another dual threat who wasn’t a great natural passer (Shrader) was much more successful.
 

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