CDRW

[anomander]

Buy this dude can run. Tom was not a good runner

Per his dad he was faster than Dungey

 

[qdawgg]

I trademarked that months ago

Illegally, apparently.

 

[GreekFreak]

Per his dad he was faster than Dungey

Per his dad he’s faster than Usain Bolt. Lol

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I made the terrible mistake for calling for Devito over Dungey after the crazy UNC game. That was a far better performance than what we saw from CDRW. He was 11-22 w/ 1TD 1 INT. Certainly great game in a pinch and in that situation, with his fresh legs, he certainly looked fine, but over the long haul of a 12 game season I have serious doubts he is accurate enough, or his decision making is where it needs to be. Also, once defenses are able to game plan for him I just don’t think he is a better option than Shrader.

Shrader has the advantage of experience, but in terms of tools and talent, CD-RW already looks way ahead as a passer and I suspect it isn't close.

Don't get wrong, Shrader is pretty bad a.

Seems to me like CD-RW is even badder a.

 

[JRHEETER]

I made the terrible mistake for calling for Devito over Dungey after the crazy UNC game. That was a far better performance than what we saw from CDRW. He was 11-22 w/ 1TD 1 INT. Certainly great game in a pinch and in that situation, with his fresh legs, he certainly looked fine, but over the long haul of a 12 game season I have serious doubts he is accurate enough, or his decision making is where it needs to be. Also, once defenses are able to game plan for him I just don’t think he is a better option than Shrader.

Garrett played the 1st half without his best attribute, his running ability. It was clear he was playing injured and couldn’t scramble as usual. When he is healthy I feel he is the far better player all around. Unless he can’t scramble, Shrader should be our QB the next 2 seasons. Either way the kid has 1
bad game and people already looking for the backup smh

Yeah not really sure where people are seeing his performance was better than what Dino said it was, which was a C.


It was serviceable and we looked okay. But there was a lot to fix and improve there.

With that being said, I don’t see a world where CDRW wont be the starter this Saturday. Hopefully the run with the first team this week helps him out.

This team went 6-0 to start with GS. A lot of the same people calling for his head and to start CDRW we’re the same ones worried GS was gone next season to the NFL.

Trust what you saw when we had a fully healthy GS. Not what you saw the 2nd half of Clemson and 1st half of ND where GS was clearly pretty banged up

 

[PhatOrange]

When CDRW gets the win this week it’ll put all this other nonsense to bed.

He’s a 100 times better thrower than Schrader and runs just as well maybe even better, spreads the ball around, seems to view the field better, has a better feel in the pocket and if he can raise the mental piece of the equation it’s onward and upward. Let’s go

 

[Bayside44]

When CDRW gets the win this week it’ll put all this other nonsense to bed.

He’s a 100 times better thrower than Schrader and runs just as well maybe even better, spreads the ball around m, seems to view the field better, has a better feel in the pocket and if he can raise the mental piece of the equation it’s onward and upward. Let’s go

I like CDRW's tools but we have no idea how he runs.

The guy kept it once when the obvious thing for the defense to do was to crash on Tucker. A healthy GS was a beast running with it.

 

[Cusefan69]

Only in Syracuse do we slam a top 10 ranked QB in the country who is also on award lists first half of the season. Don't get me wrong, our starting QB is hurt and it's a great opportunity for Del Rio to get meaningful minutes but let's be clear this is Garrett's team this year. I certainly hope that Del Rio helps us get the win this week. Del Rio as previously stated also provides a nice combination of Run/Pass we need. The need to slam GS after the start we have had this year for the shiny new toy who is QB #2 is bizarre.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I like CDRW's tools but we have no idea how he runs.

The guy kept it once when the obvious thing for the defense to do was to crash on Tucker. A healthy GS was a beast running with it.

Shrader absolutely is a beast running it.

But we've also seen we have a high dependency on him doing that to move the ball, and we now have two seasons of evidence showing us as big as he is, he doesn't hold up through the season doing that.

I'm hoping, assuming we do see more CD-RW, that his passing ability makes for more selective running from the QB.

 

[Bayside44]

Shrader absolutely is a beast running it.

But we've also seen we have a high dependency on him doing that to move the ball, and we now have two seasons of evidence showing us as big as he is, he doesn't hold up through the season doing that.

I'm hoping, assuming we do see more CD-RW, that his passing ability makes for more selective running from the QB.

I hope so too, and really we need to get other guys involved in catching it. 2nd half Clemson and 1st half ND seeing him not take his usual yards stunk.

For all the concern about some of the guys we've lost, losing Isiah Jones doesn't get mentioned enough.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Only in Syracuse do we slam a top 10 ranked QB in the country who is also on award lists first half of the season. Don't get me wrong, our starting QB is hurt and it's a great opportunity for Del Rio to get meaningful minutes but let's be clear this is Garrett's team this year. I certainly hope that Del Rio helps us get the win this week. Del Rio as previously stated also provides a nice combination of Run/Pass we need. The need to slam GS after the start we have had this year for the shiny new toy who is QB #2 is bizarre.

Are people really slamming Shrader though?

I'm not. The guy has obvious skills and has made a huge leap this season.

It's just we've also seen that his style of play takes a toll on him, and when his body breaks down and he has to rely exclusively on his arm, the offense stalls. He's good enough as a passer to hit on 67% of his passes, but he's not good enough as a passer o put up points if the threat of him running is gone. We've also seen that his results can be volatile - he can pitch a perfect game against Wagner, but he can also complete well under 50% of his passes in a game (Purdue, Notre Dame).

None of the above observations are slams, or incorrect based on what we've seen over these two seasons.

Shrader can get us really far. We can win with Shrader. We've seen it and we know it. But we also have seen there comes a point in the season where his effectiveness drops because he sacrifices his body a lot to move the ball.

It's not unreasonable then to think that if in the offense we have a QB that can be even better as a passer, and therefore is less reliant on being a running threat, and therefore takes less of a beating, they have a better shot to stay healthy and get more consistent results.

It looks to me like CD-RW has the potential to be that guy, and based on how different the offense looked in the first half vs in the second half, unless Shrader is a lot healthier in a short amount of time, we probably have a better chance of winning calling CD-RW's number for at least one game.

 

[RF2044]

When CDRW gets the win this week it’ll put all this other nonsense to bed.

He’s a 100 times better thrower than Schrader and runs just as well maybe even better, spreads the ball around m, seems to view the field better, has a better feel in the pocket and if he can raise the mental piece of the equation it’s onward and upward. Let’s go

For perspective, isn't Shrader rated in the top 5 in terms of QB rating in college football?

You are vastly under-rating his improvement.

No argument that CDRW appears to be a better thrower at an earlier stage of his developmental curve than Shrader was. That bodes well for the future.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I hope so too, and really we need to get other guys involved in catching it. 2nd half Clemson and 1st half ND seeing him not take his usual yards stunk.

For all the concern about some of the guys we've lost, losing Isiah Jones doesn't get mentioned enough.

I think that's right.

Who do you think Jones takes snaps from? Jackson or Alford?

 

[721Comstock]

Only in Syracuse do we slam a top 10 ranked QB in the country who is also on award lists first half of the season. Don't get me wrong, our starting QB is hurt and it's a great opportunity for Del Rio to get meaningful minutes but let's be clear this is Garrett's team this year. I certainly hope that Del Rio helps us get the win this week. Del Rio as previously stated also provides a nice combination of Run/Pass we need. The need to slam GS after the start we have had this year for the shiny new toy who is QB #2 is bizarre.

NOBODY is "slamming" him.

It's abundantly clear that he's not been the same guy, since the 2nd half of the Clemson game.
He is a dual-threat QB, although anyone who is being fair would say he's an excellent running QB, who has gotten decently proficient at throwing it this year.

But - IF he's no longer a dual-threat, then that dramatically reduces his upside and effectiveness.
His running is effectively removed from the equation, which makes his passing less effective.
And frankly - he was passing it all with upper body vs. ND, which also made his passing that much worse.
And he doesn't have that elite escapeability and elusiveness, which allowed him to keep plays alive.

ALL of which is why CDRW should be getting the start this Sat.
Pretty much zero chance Shrader is 'recovered' enough in a week to resume playing the way he did earlier this season.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

NOBODY is "slamming" him.

It's abundantly clear that he's not been the same guy, since the 2nd half of the Clemson game.
He is a dual-threat QB, although anyone who is being fair would say he's an excellent running QB, who has gotten decently proficient at throwing it this year.

But - IF he's no longer a dual-threat, then that dramatically reduces his upside and effectiveness.
His running is effectively removed from the equation, which makes his passing less effective.
And frankly - he was passing it all with upper body vs. ND, which also made his passing that much worse.
And he doesn't have that elite escapeability and elusiveness, which allowed him to keep plays alive.

ALL of which is why CDRW should be getting the start this Sat.
Pretty much zero chance Shrader is 'recovered' enough in a week to resume playing the way he did earlier this season.

We appear to be on the same page. Our posts are really similar.

 

[721Comstock]

We appear to be on the same page. Our posts are really similar.

 

[Bayside44]

I think that's right.

Who do you think Jones takes snaps from? Jackson or Alford?

Yes

 

[Cusefan69]

Are people really slamming Shrader though?

I'm not. The guy has obvious skills and has made a huge leap this season.

It's just we've also seen that his style of play takes a toll on him, and when his body breaks down and he has to rely exclusively on his arm, the offense stalls. He's good enough as a passer to hit on 67% of his passes, but he's not good enough as a passer o put up points if the threat of him running is gone. We've also seen that his results can be volatile - he can pitch a perfect game against Wagner, but he can also complete well under 50% of his passes in a game (Purdue, Notre Dame).

None of the above observations are slams, or incorrect based on what we've seen over these two seasons.

Shrader can get us really far. We can win with Shrader. We've seen it and we know it. But we also have seen there comes a point in the season where his effectiveness drops because he sacrifices his body a lot to move the ball.

It's not unreasonable then to think that if in the offense we have a QB that can be even better as a passer, and therefore is less reliant on being a running threat, and therefore takes less of a beating, they have a better shot to stay healthy and get more consistent results.

It looks to me like CD-RW has the potential to be that guy, and based on how different the offense looked in the first half vs in the second half, unless Shrader is a lot healthier in a short amount of time, we probably have a better chance of winning calling CD-RW's number for at least one game.

Yeah you haven’t been slamming GS. Your inputs have been fair. Again conversely I am not looking at slamming Del Rio here either. It is good to have a strong QB room. To me it’s just strange for some to be wanting to push out the QB who has really done a good job this year. People talk about the Del Rio throw and seem to get amnesia about the dime GS delivered to beat Purdue or the throw to beat VT last year when he was obliterated.
If Syracuse was 2 and 6 and GS was not a top ten rated QB in the first half of the season I would certainly be more open to putting in Del Rio. But he is 6 and 2, a top ten QB and the two losess were against Clemson (top 4 in the country) and ND (GS was clearly hurt). So my question to the board is “Where is the loyalty to the guy who got you here?”

 

[djorange1989]

a healthy GS(he likely won't be 100% the rest of the year, most guys who take this kind of beating aren't, so whatever other high percentage you want to use, 85%, 90%) is our starter and should be. However, I cannot imagine him being that healthy by this weekend, so I am assuming/hoping CDR-W is getting the reps in practice and will start this weekend.

 

[Cusefan69]

a healthy GS(he likely won't be 100% the rest of the year, most guys who take this kind of beating aren't, so whatever other high percentage you want to use, 85%, 90%) is our starter and should be. However, I cannot imagine him being that healthy by this weekend, so I am assuming/hoping CDR-W is getting the reps in practice and will start this weekend.

Completely agree. Great opportunity for Del Rio to get all the practice snaps this week and get a full game under his belt. Hopefully he can help us get the dub.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

If you don't have a back up QB who is better than your starter who can barely move or throw with any zip then you need to relook at what you are doing unless that QB is Joe Burrow type. I don't believe Syracuse is in that position and I look forward to seeing CDRW play and what he can do. I expect it to look great at times and probably bad at times. Don't see him as a game manager type, he's going to go out and try to win the game with his skill set

Once healthy I would imagine Shrader goes back to starting, whenever that is. If CDRW plays way better than expected than those decisions can be made when Shrader is damn close to 100% but why rush him back at that point then? I am not expecting a CDRW miracle but would certainly welcome it

Syracuse rarely makes it through a season with 1 QB and this year is no different

 

[RF2044]

If you don't have a back up QB who is better than your starter who can barely move or throw with any zip then you need to relook at what you are doing unless that QB is Joe Burrow type. I don't believe Syracuse is in that position and I look forward to seeing CDRW play and what he can do. I expect it to look great at times and probably bad at times.

Once healthy I would imagine Shrader goes back to starting, whenever that is.

Syracuse rarely makes it through a season with 1 QB and this year is no different

In the recent past, we've had to turn to various walk-ons when our starter went down.

This year, we're replacing a 4-star recruit who originally landed in the SEC with another 4-star recruit who landed in the SEC. And as you point out, CDRW has shown exciting potential, and impressive passing zip / accuracy. I'm similarly looking forward to seeing what he can do this weekend.

And when Shrader recovers, he's our starter. But until then, there's no reason to rush him back.

 

[David321]

When CDRW gets the win this week it’ll put all this other nonsense to bed.

He’s a 100 times better thrower than Schrader and runs just as well maybe even better, spreads the ball around m, seems to view the field better, has a better feel in the pocket and if he can raise the mental piece of the equation it’s onward and upward. Let’s go

100 times better would be Tom Brady. Let’s not forget how well Garrett was throwing the first six games. Now that he’s hurt we’re falling back into acting like he can’t throw.

 

[djorange1989]

In the recent past, we've had to turn to various walk-ons when our starter went down.

This year, we're replacing a 4-star recruit who originally landed in the SEC with another 4-star recruit who landed in the SEC. And as you point out, CDRW has shown exciting potential, and impressive passing zip / accuracy. I'm similarly looking forward to seeing what he can do this weekend.

And when Shrader recovers, he's our starter. But until then, there's no reason to rush him back.

yep, the difference between CDRW and Rex, Mahoney, Welch etc. is night and day.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

yep, the difference between CDRW and Rex, Mahoney, Welch etc. is night and day.

Agreed. It's not one or the other but we finally have a viable back up. Sure he is RAW but look forward to seeing what he can do and how he progresses. Win or lose, I see no point in rushing Shrader back at this point. CDRW should be fine.