CDRW

[GoSU96]

When CDRW gets the win this week it’ll put all this other nonsense to bed.

He’s a 100 times better thrower than Schrader and runs just as well maybe even better, spreads the ball around m, seems to view the field better, has a better feel in the pocket and if he can raise the mental piece of the equation it’s onward and upward. Let’s go

The main issue I see with him is he has to slow down, seems frenetic, and get some command on his velocity.

 

[cusefan88]

Shrader is a great QB but if he can't run effectively it hurts his game too much and doesn't help the team. CDRW needs to start until Shrader can run and scramble again.

 

[orangezen]

I imagine shrader and cdrw in backfield villari as tight end and tucker split out so many ways that could go and a nightmare for defense

 

[RF2044]

I imagine shrader and cdrw in backfield villari as tight end and tucker split out so many ways that could go and a nightmare for defense

UVa used to use the "football player" position in creative ways like that.

Hope we see it implemented at some point, but have to believe that Anae / Beck will eventually put stuff like that into the playbook.

 

[shandeezy7]

Forget his physical performance in the second half of the ND game, what I was most impressed with was the way in which - in his first meaningful action in a Syracuse uniform - he seemed to be 100% comfortable running the offense. He was getting guys lined up in the right spots, making pre-snap reads/adjustments and just seemed to be loose and having a little fun.

That type of stuff tells me that he's a real student of the game and makes good use of practice time and his time on the sidelines. It could all come crashing back to earth if he's forced into making his first career start at Pitt on Saturday, but my first impressions are positive.

 

[PhatOrange]

The main issue I see with him is he has to slow down, seems frenetic, and get some command on his velocity.

Agree 100%. Both of which are correctable. Can't add velocity but can definitely practice toning it down. Moving to fast I think is a product of his youth as he's a redshirt freshman, has only played in a few snaps in non pressure situations. The game should slow down for him as he gets reps and matures (at least that's the hope.)

Just oozes upside.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Forget his physical performance in the second half of the ND game, what I was most impressed with was the way in which - in his first meaningful action in a Syracuse uniform - he seemed to be 100% comfortable running the offense. He was getting guys lined up in the right spots, making pre-snap reads/adjustments and just seemed to be loose and having a little fun.

That type of stuff tells me that he's a real student of the game and makes good use of practice time and his time on the sidelines. It could all come crashing back to earth if he's forced into making his first career start at Pitt on Saturday, but my first impressions are positive.

Yeah, well said. The moment wasn't too big for him. It was clear he came to play.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Yeah, well said. The moment wasn't too big for him. It was clear he came to play.

Yup. That prior play in the game when he had to come in for Shrader after losing his helmet was pretty impressive. Rolled, threw a laser on the run. It was too bad there was holding and he was (maybe slightly) past the line of scrimmage. Super impressed to see a kid come in cold on a third and long and execute like that. And impressed the staff had faith in him to run a pass.

 

[PhatOrange]

I like CDRW's tools but we have no idea how he runs.

The guy kept it once when the obvious thing for the defense to do was to crash on Tucker. A healthy GS was a beast running with it.

I got a pretty good idea he could run when he scrambled out of the pocket and made that on the run pass over the LOS. He was tagged a pro-style QB but his HS tape shows some scrambles and runs. He's scrambled a bit here and I think you can see the athleticism.

The speed is adequate but to my eyes he has some wiggle and his escape-ability reminds me of some of our good options QBs. Far from a stiff.

 

[PhatOrange]

100 times better would be Tom Brady. Let’s not forget how well Garrett was throwing the first six games. Now that he’s hurt we’re falling back into acting like he can’t throw.

no Tom Brady is 10000x better.

I've been pretty consistent since last year that he's not a good passer, so I didn't forget the first 6 games.

 

[PhatOrange]

For perspective, isn't Shrader rated in the top 5 in terms of QB rating in college football?

You are vastly under-rating his improvement.

No argument that CDRW appears to be a better thrower at an earlier stage of his developmental curve than Shrader was. That bodes well for the future.

His improvement has been huge but he's still not very good with his arm. He's a decent QB for what we need him to do but his limitations hold the offense back.

 

[David321]

no Tom Brady is 10000x better.

I've been pretty consistent since last year that he's not a good passer, so I didn't forget the first 6 games.

Sorry man but the narrative that Garrett Shrader is a poor passer was annihilated this season. We can’t overlook the jump he has made since Anae and Beck cause he’s hurt now.

 

[PhatOrange]

Interesting write-up from scouts who watched him at the Elite 11 finals.

Sports Illustrated All-American had six scouts on-hand, including myself, grading each quarterback at the Elite 11 finals this past summer. Del Rio-Wilson was SIAA's highest-graded QB during the pro day drills, each pass graded on a 1-3 (3 being a "money throw") scale, beating out the nation's No. 1 prospect Caleb Williams and each of the 18 other passers.

Five Play Prospect: Florida Gators QB Carlos Del Rio-Wilson

Get to know one of Florida's newest quarterbacks, Carlos Del Rio-Wilson, with this five play breakdown of his high school film.

www.si.com

He likes to stay in the pocket and make the throws but they hit on his ability to scramble and run. Keeping in mind he was recruited by Dan Mullen to run a spread/rpo offense. He has the tools.

 

[PhatOrange]

Sorry man but the narrative that Garrett Shrader is a poor passer was annihilated this season. We can’t overlook the jump he has made since Anae and Beck cause he’s hurt now.

It's not. He's great when a guy is wide open. His mechanics are poor.He's not good leading recievers, he struggles with the deep ball and he's not that great getting the ball into tight windows. He doesn't see the field very well either. He really needs guys to be wide open. We've thrown a lot of short passes and screens (Tucker has 32 catches) that aid his numbers but this is by design. The coaches are playing to his strengths which is what they should do.

 

[PhatOrange]

Elite 11: Florida Gators QB Commit Carlos Del Rio Stands Out on Day 2

Florida Gators 2020 quarterback commit Carlos Del Rio had himself a night on day two of the Elite 11 Finals.

www.si.com

 

[Nahson]

Yeah not really sure where people are seeing his performance was better than what Dino said it was, which was a C.


It was serviceable and we looked okay. But there was a lot to fix and improve there.

With that being said, I don’t see a world where CDRW wont be the starter this Saturday. Hopefully the run with the first team this week helps him out.

This team went 6-0 to start with GS. A lot of the same people calling for his head and to start CDRW we’re the same ones worried GS was gone next season to the NFL.

Trust what you saw when we had a fully healthy GS. Not what you saw the 2nd half of Clemson and 1st half of ND where GS was clearly pretty banged up

I agree, in part. I think my biggest takeaway was 2 fold. 1.) He's got a rocket. 2.) He spread the ball around. My kingdom for a QB that hits multiple targets and doesn't lock in. But other than that, CDRW is not ready yet and I agree that Shrader is by far the better option.

 

[David321]

It's not. He's great when a guy is wide open. His mechanics are poor.He's not good leading recievers, he struggles with the deep ball and he's not that great getting the ball into tight windows. He doesn't see the field very well either. He really needs guys to be wide open. We've thrown a lot of short passes and screens (Tucker has 32 catches) that aid his numbers but this is by design. The coaches are playing to his strengths which is what they should do.

I agree that our offense is built around his strengths but you’re being overly critical of his abilities imo. Following your logic, do we have a controversy then even when GS is healthy?

 

[Lax2020]

It's not. He's great when a guy is wide open. His mechanics are poor.He's not good leading recievers, he struggles with the deep ball and he's not that great getting the ball into tight windows. He doesn't see the field very well either. He really needs guys to be wide open. We've thrown a lot of short passes and screens (Tucker has 32 catches) that aid his numbers but this is by design. The coaches are playing to his strengths which is what they should do.

Your analysis of 2022-23 GS is so far off the consensus either your brilliant or a fool. Well, maybe both - a brilliant fool.

 

[RF2044]

The main issue I see with him is he has to slow down, seems frenetic, and get some command on his velocity.

Hoping that a week of getting starter's snaps in practice will help with that.

Also think that receivers having to adjust mid-game to a new thrower might have had an impact with respect to incompletions / drops, as well.

 

[atlanticuse]

I’m not surprised by what I saw Saturday. When he came in a threw that dart in the Purdue game (when he was over the line) I was sold. That was on the run, on a rope into a tight window.

Shrader just can’t make that throw.

He’s mobile enough to move the chains. Great arm. Just needs reps. That dude is going to be fun to watch.

Shrader throws loopy passes. He doesn’t make the throws like a 4 star prospect.

His running is terrific.

But without that, he’s a 2 star QB…
… or maybe a WR?

 

[orangepassion]

UVa used to use the "football player" position in creative ways like that.

Hope we see it implemented at some point, but have to believe that Anae / Beck will eventually put stuff like that into the playbook.

Anae has been good, but I'm surprised he hasn't been more creative like i saw at Virginia.

 

[PhatOrange]

Your analysis of 2022-23 GS is so far off the consensus either your brilliant or a fool. Well, maybe both - a brilliant fool.

Leach is a brilliant fool to right?

But there are a few board regulars who believe the same as me but I'm the only one foolish (or stupid) enough to go on record. Either way I don't care. I love GS the football player just not the QB. They are mutually exclusive.

 

[GoSU96]

Shrader throws loopy passes. He doesn’t make the throws like a 4 star prospect.

His running is terrific.

But without that, he’s a 2 star QB…
… or maybe a WR?

Yep. Mechanics/shoulder injury, whatever the reason he has a weird motion and release and you are correct mostly a mid velocity and loopy ball. He’s done a great job of throwing into big windows pretty accurately. I’ve seen him do it in occasion, but he isn’t consistently able to drive the ball into tight windows.

 

[JRHEETER]

Yep. Mechanics/shoulder injury, whatever the reason he has a weird motion and release and you are correct mostly a mid velocity and loopy ball. He’s done a great job of throwing into big windows pretty accurately. I’ve seen him do it in occasion, but he isn’t consistently able to drive the ball into tight windows.

Leach is a brilliant fool to right?

But there are a few board regulars who believe the same as me but I'm the only one foolish (or stupid) enough to go on record. Either way I don't care. I love GS the football player just not the QB. They are mutually exclusive.

Shrader throws loopy passes. He doesn’t make the throws like a 4 star prospect.

His running is terrific.

But without that, he’s a 2 star QB…
… or maybe a WR?

So for you three, two of which have always been GS haters….

We’re the first 6 games flukes???

Just curious what your explanation is on that and the numbers/play he was having

 

[storange]

So for you three, two of which have always been GS haters….

We’re the first 6 games flukes???

Just curious what your explanation is on that and the numbers/play he was having

The only way we get to 8 or 9 wins is on the arm and feet of GS. Hope an extra week off will be enough.