CJ Returns: Official Anouncement

[RichmondCuse]

His post is about his thoughts on Fair from earlier this afternoon before he announced he returned. Obviously I wasnt in the room but if you could read between the lines I was tryign to make it clear I wasnt just making this stuff up and had a good source without having to specifically point it out. Lastly let me be the person to point out the sanctions issue for you. If the NCAA announces in 4-5 Months potential sanctions players on roster can transfer at any point, Fair cant retroactively declare for a draft that happened two months before. Potential Sanctions are a big time concern for all invovled in the basketball program thats been made pretty clear here for going on a year.

I just went and read his post. I think it sort of sums up the whole point I was trying to make. I've never gotten any indication from anyone on the team that this investigation is a serious concern. The only place I've ever heard actual concern over it was from people on this board who refuse to elaborate on what they "know". I understand the idea that people who have been informed of things want to keep them quiet, but way too many people around here post vague comments that infer THAT they know something without clarifying WHAT they know. If you know something but can't say, then just don't say anything.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

I get it, but like I said, I had never heard of those types of issues related to CJ. I feel like a lot of times with guys that leave early with no chance of being drafted high (see Paul Harris), we know of things going on behind the scenes that are impacting their decisions. My point is, I never heard those things related to CJ, so I never expected him to leave.

Listen RichmondCuse. I liked your post not because I liked it because based on your comments you didnt deserve to sit on 44 any longer. Stop bein an a$$hat. Several board members here know more about whats happening in SU Atheltics than you could possibly imagine. I am done. JeremyCuse can take it from there.

 

[RichmondCuse]

I have made zero posts about potential sanctions and only mentioned it in passing regarding CJ's decision so lets get that straight. Second I have zero idea when the NCAA will even give the formal notice of the actual violations less when any actual sanctions maybe issued but I can tell you it certainly isnt "nonsense", when the NCAA is sniffing around for a year plus.

Everything the NCAA has been involved in lately seems like nonsense to me

And I was really asking that question seriously - I'm so tired of hearing about this that I'm hoping someone can give us a timeline of when we can expect a resolution - and further, how far in advance must sanctions be given for a particular year? In other words, if we reach September and still no word, are we ok to assume at that point that we are good for the 2013-14 season?

 

[RichmondCuse]

Listen RichmondCuse. I liked your post not because I liked it because based on your comments you didnt deserve to sit on 44 any longer. Stop bein an a$$hat. Several board members here know more about whats happening in SU Atheltics than you could possibly imagine. I am done. JeremyCuse can take it from there.

Thanks, this post was a nice contribution to the thread.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I just went and read his post. I think it sort of sums up the whole point I was trying to make. I've never gotten any indication from anyone on the team that this investigation is a serious concern. The only place I've ever heard actual concern over it was from people on this board who refuse to elaborate on what they "know". I understand the idea that people who have been informed of things want to keep them quiet, but way too many people around here post vague comments that infer THAT they know something without clarifying WHAT they know. If you know something but can't say, then just don't say anything.

Sorry but your post makes no sense especially this statement "I've never gotten any indication from anyone on the team that this investigation is a serious concern. The only place I've ever heard actual concern over it was from people on this board who refuse to elaborate on what they "know".

What are you expecting the team to say, are you expecting Baye Keita or Grant to give you there thoughts? When do you ever see active players on a team facing possible sanctions speaking out on them while the investigation is ongoing? Even if they do know something do you think there going to share it publicly and let people know? The NCAA isnt holding a bi-weekly meeting with the bball team on the status of there investigation, the last place your goign to get any indication is from the players themselves.

Regarding people being vague in there comments, again I have to disagree. Jake and others have made it pretty clear the NCAA is sniffing around big time and that it is a very legitimate concern. Other then that I am not sure what yoru expecting to get. The NCAA doenst usually do year plus investigations and then shrug there shoulders and walk away.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Everything the NCAA has been involved in lately seems like nonsense to me

And I was really asking that question seriously - I'm so tired of hearing about this that I'm hoping someone can give us a timeline of when we can expect a resolution - and further, how far in advance must sanctions be given for a particular year? In other words, if we reach September and still no word, are we ok to assume at that point that we are good for the 2013-14 season?

I wish I could give you those answers but honestly most of those questions can only be answered by the NCAA and there enforcement arm. The NCAA has to officially announce what violations they either have or are looking into and then the school usually has a chance to respond/refute etc. Then the NCAA would issue any potential sanctions which the school can then appeal which SU woudl almost certainly do if the sanctions inlcuded a post season ban. I would say unless we hear something in the next month or so SU should be fine for next year as any appeal would take awhile to be heared.

 

[AlaskaSU]

18 and 8 would be amazing...

But I'm going to say 17 and 10. his 3pt % will dip to just over 40% but his makes will double.

His 3 point % should decline. He is not taking enough 3 pointers. even at 40% a 3 pointer is usually better than a 2.

 

[RichmondCuse]

Sorry but your post makes no sense especially this statement "I've never gotten any indication from anyone on the team that this investigation is a serious concern. The only place I've ever heard actual concern over it was from people on this board who refuse to elaborate on what they "know".

What are you expecting the team to say, are you expecting Baye Keita or Grant to give you there thoughts? When do you ever see active players on a team facing possible sanctions speaking out on them while the investigation is ongoing? Even if they do know something do you think there going to share it publicly and let people know? The NCAA isnt holding a bi-weekly meeting with the bball team on the status of there investigation, the last place your goign to get any indication is from the players themselves.

Regarding people being vague in there comments, again I have to disagree. Jake and others have made it pretty clear the NCAA is sniffing around big time and that it is a very legitimate concern. Other then that I am not sure what yoru expecting to get. The NCAA doenst usually do year plus investigations and then shrug there shoulders and walk away.

I want someone with credible sources to tell me what they expect will come of this investigation. I haven't seen a single person do this, just people making vague comments and acting like they are privy to all sort of secret information.

I think what is frustrating to me is that the board probably has a handful of people who REALLY know what you'd consider "inside" information, and then we have dozens of more people who would like everyone to think they have inside information.

And honestly, I'm just really tired of reading about it in every other thread, when very few people have any actual information to contribute. That's why I'm asking questions about whether or not anyone knows the timing of this thing to be wrapped up.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I want someone with credible sources to tell me what they expect will come of this investigation. I haven't seen a single person do this, just people making vague comments and acting like they are privy to all sort of secret information.

I think what is frustrating to me is that the board probably has a handful of people who REALLY know what you'd consider "inside" information, and then we have dozens of more people who would like everyone to think they have inside information.

And honestly, I'm just really tired of reading about it in every other thread, when very few people have any actual information to contribute. That's why I'm asking questions about whether or not anyone knows the timing of this thing to be wrapped up.

Your not getting that information because no one knows other then the NCAA and there not telling. No one here or on the Hill knows what exactly will come of this investigation and if they tell you they do their lieing. People can only give you there general thoughts on what there hearing and what maybe the likely outcome but no one knows for sure not even the higher ups at SU though I am sure they have a sense of what may happen. Also to be honest there really hasnt been much talk at all about sanctions since the report on the eve of the tourney, the bball board has slowed way down.

 

[RichmondCuse]

Your not getting that information because no one knows other then the NCAA and there not telling. No one here or on the Hill knows what exactly will come of this investigation and if they tell you they do their lieing. People can only give you there general thoughts on what there hearing and what maybe the likely outcome but no one knows for sure not even the higher ups at SU though I am sure they have a sense of what may happen. Also to be honest there really hasnt been much talk at all about sanctions since the report on the eve of the tourney, the bball board has slowed way down.

I think everything you said is kind of my point. No one knows anything. So people making all sorts of speculations about postseason bans, vacated wins, etc., etc., has NO validity. Anyone on this board who knows ANYTHING is not saying. And whatever people are "hearing" around a college campus has about as much validity as the rumors that Scoop was point shaving or MCW was being declared inelgible.

I'm not even saying nothing will come out of the investigation. Maybe something will. I'm just saying, I'm reeeeeeallly tired of reading completely baseless speculation.

Forget it - it frustrates me. For now let's just be happy we have CJ back next year and go back to our regularly scheduled programming.

 

[realorange]

Separate. I cant hold an erection for that very long

That's what she said!

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

So in that case, which other players are considering leaving due to these reasons? I'm not sure why it would be limited to CJ.

When JB is forced out and SU is hit with a boatload of sanctions, I'll come back here and apologize to all the folks who have been "warning" us of this impending doom for months now...

The only meaningful sanctions current and future players would be a one year postseason ban the couple scholarships

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[MSOrange]

I haven't read this whole thread yet so I might be repeating other thoughts. But I am just thrilled at this news. First of all, I think it's the best decision overall for CJ's future. But I just love the way CJ represents the team and university both on and off the court. He just seems like an awesome, down to earth kid in the interviews I have seen and the stories I have read. There is nothing I would like better than to see him finish his career at another Final 4 and then walk across the stage and get his degree.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I think everything you said is kind of my point. No one knows anything. So people making all sorts of speculations about postseason bans, vacated wins, etc., etc., has NO validity. Anyone on this board who knows ANYTHING is not saying. And whatever people are "hearing" around a college campus has about as much validity as the rumors that Scoop was point shaving or MCW was being declared inelgible.

I'm not even saying nothing will come out of the investigation. Maybe something will. I'm just saying, I'm reeeeeeallly tired of reading completely baseless speculation.

Forget it - it frustrates me. For now let's just be happy we have CJ back next year and go back to our regularly scheduled programming.

The comparision to Scoop point shaving is a bad one, that was a poker website that one or two local sports stations ran with and it got way out of hand. This is an NCAA investigation that has been going on over a year, as I said before the NCAA doesnt do year plus investigations and then walk away, SU is likely to be hit with something. People saying its vacated wins or bans are speculating as you noted but that speculations isnt entirely without merit, when you have a large investigation like this one with alleged multiple issues the end result isnt likely a pat on the back from the NCAA.

 

[moqui]

The boatload of money he'd earn on a 2nd Round non-guaranteed contract? That's my whole point. I never expected CJ to leave because I don't see many guys who are headed for 2nd Round / undrafted status declaring early. Now, I don't know CJ's personal situation and if the money he'd earn in the D-League or in Europe were enough to pull him away, then that's fine, but since I had never heard that anywhere, I had no inclination to think he'd be leaving.

it's not necessarily all about superstar money . . . you can make a very good living playing international ball.

it's not millions of dollars, but the opportunity to make 100,000 euros while playing 40 games in a beautiful city on the Adriatic coast would be enough to at least make me consider leaving school, especially if I wasn't sure that staying would enhance my chances any

 

[rrlbees]

The strangest thing to me is that some people on this board were actually worried that the decision would be anything other than this. I know people are going to say that CJ was seriously considering leaving or whatever, but I'm sorry that would have made no sense. Fair was never considered a 1st Round pick at any point, and if he had decided to leave, I'd have had no idea what drove that decision because it certainly wouldn't have been his draft position.

So, though I expected it all along, nice to know for sure that Fair is back to lead us into the ACC. Hopefully we can keep the Final 4 momentum rolling!

Why wouldn't we worry? It was a real consideration. If you listened to CJ's interview today he admitted as of a couple days ago, he was leaving. And further in the interview he said the feedback he got indicated he would go from the late teens to mid 2nd. So I don't get your post at all.

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[cuseinchina]

You guys really know how to take the fun out of a good thread. Of course there are people here who know a ton who take risk by sharing information or hinting at various things and that is appreciative. Of course no one actually knows in detail what CJ and his family talked about except the people in that room. As far as the sanctions go you can bet he considered that in his decision, how could you not. No matteer what, this is FANTASTIC news for the program and I tend to think it was a great decision for CJ.

 

[LAOrange]

Flashback to C.J.s recruitment. Who here would have said at that time that CJ would have a shot at National Player of the Year? What's even more interesting. Who here would have said he'd have a shot at ACC Player of the Year?

 

[JarHeadJim]

All of us on the pay board knew he was coming back on Monday!!

 

[JarHeadJim]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...cj-fair-staying-syracuse-orange-senior-season

 

[Cusetown23]

http://www.suathletics.com/showcase/#Archive/7047

 

[Cusetown23]

that video absolutely pumped me up

 

[RichmondCuse]

Why wouldn't we worry? It was a real consideration. If you listened to CJ's interview today he admitted as of a couple days ago, he was leaving. And further in the interview he said the feedback he got indicated he would go from the late teens to mid 2nd. So I don't get your post at all.

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Wow, late teens to mid 2nd? That's quite a wide range. I guess the takeaway from that is no one really has any clue how the draft will go. If that's really the feedback he got, then it certainly seems that he made the right decision coming back. To me, it never seemed like there was a good reason for him to leave. That's not to say there weren't factors I didn't consider that could have swayed his decision. Just that from a standpoint of simply where he'd likely be drafted, it never seemed to me that he'd end up leaving.

 

[jimsonjunction]

Yes. I definitely like the potential of Grant coming off the bench like you say. Energy/Scorer as in the past.

Along this topic, does anyone think that Cooney could possibly start at the 2 with Silent G coming off the bench? It could be a nice way to keep Cooney's confidence up, see if he can get in a rhythm early on, and then use Gbinije as the "Dion" off the bench.

 

[Trueblue25]

Along this topic, does anyone think that Cooney could possibly start at the 2 with Silent G coming off the bench? It could be a nice way to keep Cooney's confidence up, see if he can get in a rhythm early on, and then use Gbinije as the "Dion" off the bench.

Nah.

If anyone's going to take over the "Dion" 6th man role I could possibly see it being Grant. Maybe in the OOC schedule let Roberson/Christmas start at PF and then give Grant 20-25 minutes.