Clemson Postgame Thoughts 2

[NorSyr66]

It's funny reading everyone's complaints about the offense. We scored 45 points in the 2nd half.

And gave up 48.

....and sounds like a loss to me

 

[kcsu]

Clemson has more options to score - they are balanced, we are getting some better balance but aren’t there yet offensively. It’s a mix of not having more potent options and not creating options by executing our offense with effective ball movement. Guess SU playing 7 sophomores vs 2 grad students, 2 Sr’s, a Jr and 2 sophomores for Clemson gives them a development and experience edge. Next year they will be in a major rebuild particularly if Hall doesn’t return for a 5th year.

Defensively we just don’t stop teams if we don’t get it off steals or turnovers. Bad matchups inside, they had 12 more points in the paint then we did. Clemson had 5 steals to our 4 - we average over 9 steaks a game but Clemson took care of the ball. Schieffelin had 16 points and 16 rebounds besides Hall’s 25 points, who added 7 rebounds. Those 2 Clemson players had 23 rebounds, our team had 26 rebounds in total. Ball game.

PJ has never left the low country, if he plays in college next year it will be at Clemson bless his soul

 

[dasher]

Idk maybe running some sets and plays to scheme our players open.

Yeah. What plays do you run when you have no low post game. And you are terrible outside shooting team. Our one great shooter, isn't right now, a Rautins run him off screens type of guy. There is no magic formula. And we seem to score enough to win. It's the other end of the court where we are lacking. We scored 75 pts tonight. That should be enough to win. At least not lose by 15.

 

[br801]

Oh you wanted Hima out there lol?

Red should try running him out there with one shoe on, and the other in his hand to block shots.

 

[tptcuse]

But what about him being a gigantic ball hog who will not play defense, and also barks at his coach?

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Cuse181]

Yeah. What plays do you run when you have no low post game. And you are terrible outside shooting team. Our one great shooter, isn't right now, a Rautins run him off screens type of guy. There is no magic formula. And we seem to score enough to win. It's the other end of the court where we are lacking. We scored 75 pts tonight. That should be enough to win. At least not lose by 15.

Id love to see them run 1 single double screen.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Tell us how you really feel.

I’ve been holding back some, but since you’ve encouraged me……

 

[ar inj]

Clemson has more options to score - they are balanced, we are getting some better balance but aren’t there yet offensively. It’s a mix of not having more potent options and not creating options by executing our offense with effective ball movement. Guess SU playing 7 sophomores vs 2 grad students, 2 Sr’s, a Jr and 2 sophomores for Clemson gives them a development and experience edge. Next year they will be in a major rebuild particularly if Hall doesn’t return for a 5th year.

Defensively we just don’t stop teams if we don’t get it off steals or turnovers. Bad matchups inside, they had 12 more points in the paint then we did. Clemson had 5 steals to our 4 - we average over 9 steaks a game but Clemson took care of the ball. Schieffelin had 16 points and 16 rebounds besides Hall’s 25 points, who added 7 rebounds. Those 2 Clemson players had 23 rebounds, our team had 26 rebounds in total. Ball game.

Thank you. That is all.

 

[tbonezone]

jelly donut defense inside. any touch in the paint was 2 points and or a foul. copeland kept us close with some tough D and his usual collection of circus shots but this one was never really close. interesting to watch JG3 playing against his former team (and i would guess childhood favorite). total change of allegiance and duty and a keen desire to put us away. wish i could have seen the handshake line, he beat us twice. must feel nice.
or was it more like my buddy Big Head Todd likes to say ...

It's bittersweet
More sweet than bitter
Bitter than sweet

 

[Eric15]

I can understand Girard having the highest three point percentage of his career this year due to playing off the ball more, but the fact that he’s having the highest free throw percentage of his career this year by a wide margin just means the universe hates us.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

You think this bunch has the character and leadership to play inspired in the NIT???

“Hope” is the key word in that sentence.

 

[djcon57]

You guys realize PJ Hall won the game for them, right? Or is the fetish on this board so intense that you cant see straight.

 

[pokercuse08]

Yeah. But who to pass to? We are so limited. Taylor? Brown? he doesn't really work down low to get the ball. Bell? Great when he is left alone but when he isn't...Judah shoots too much but what is the alternative?

Somehow when Q runs the offense, the ball moves around... And when the ball moves, there's more off ball movement. Sometimes Judah does that, but more often he just pounds the ball out top.

I think one of the main issues is that he can't make the touch pass to Maliq that has to float over a defender. Sometimes he tries and it's usually a turnover. A point guard needs to be able to get the ball to Maliq for our offense to stand a chance. If Mintz can't do it, we get the type of game we got tonight.

 

[Zepharus]

Does everyone forget that we , this board included, ran Joe out of town. And next year, If Mintz is playing for someone else, and I am pretty sure he will be, we will be singing the same song about him that people are saying about Joe.

Nah mintz is as selfish and a me first player as I've ever seen at SU. Worse than MeShaun. Good riddance

 

[Cuse House]

I was just reading through Mike Waters social media posts. One from yesterday piqued my interest so I was reading the comments. It turned into a family member of a certain player on our team calling Mike a sloppy journalist for having the ACC points per game wrong for this particular player. Followed by how he ranks in scoring within the league. Pretty much tells me all I needed to know about a certain mentality. This team lacked a leader all year.

 

[djcon57]

0-4 from 3 as Joe is daring him to shoot it has got to be such an ego crusher. Hope Judah hits the gym every day for his sake.

 

[billsin01]

Game played out as expected, Clemsons better.

That was a clinic by Clemson. Just rewatched it. They had a few sloppy turnovers but outside of a few other possessions they either got exactly what they wanted in their set offense, or late in the shot clock went to work on a matchup they liked — often times it was Bell. Not picking on him but they knew where to go late in the clock.

They are a talented, well-coached team. We might get them once or twice out of 10 but they are just a better team right now. Sucks, but it is what it is. Hope we come back next year with a bit more nuance defensively and a bit more movement offensively.

 

[ar inj]

Good news: SU is not Wake Forest.

 

[billsin01]

0-4 from 3 as Joe is daring him to shoot it has got to be such an ego crusher. Hope Judah hits the gym every day for his sake.

It has to suck, agreed. But neither Judah nor Joe were the reason we lost this game. And that’s not pointing the finger at anyone, including Red. We just got outplayed by a better team.

 

[billsin01]

Ironic given what I said about them a month ago, but we need to get better on defense in the offseason.

I'm not that concerned about the offensive pieces with this staff, but we give up way too many points to quality teams to be a contender.

Good teams have absolutely torched us all year … even in our big win vs UNC. We need to be able to dictate a bit more and add a few wrinkles on the defensive end.

 

[djcon57]

It has to suck, agreed. But neither Judah nor Joe were the reason we lost this game. And that’s not pointing the finger at anyone, including Red. We just got outplayed by a better team.

Agreed. Never mentioned the game itself in the post at all. It’s just a fact that Judah simply hasn’t improved his outside shot and its desparately what he needed to do in the offseason. I mentioned Joe backing off him because clearly he saw him in practice last year and thought so much of his shot that he backed up to the free throw line. Now to Judah’s credit, to some degree, I’m shocked more people don’t guard him like that because he can get to the hole at will, at times.

 

[djcon57]

That was a clinic by Clemson. Just rewatched it. They had a few sloppy turnovers but outside of a few other possessions they either got exactly what they wanted in their set offense, or late in the shot clock went to work on a matchup they liked — often times it was Bell. Not picking on him but they knew where to go late in the clock.

They are a talented, well-coached team. We might get them once or twice out of 10 but they are just a better team right now. Sucks, but it is what it is. Hope we come back next year with a bit more nuance defensively and a bit more movement offensively.

It’s simply the problem with Bell. He needs to score A LOT for him to be a positive out there. He doesn’t defend well and he doesn’t rebound. He’s got better, no doubt, but when you add in Judah and JJ, on top of no center, it’s what you saw. Hall could have scored 40 if he wanted

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The year is 2376.

The syracusefan.com message board still exists and can be accessed through the standard implanted brain chip all humans and adorable animals like puppies and hamsters now have.

Syracuse is 21-11 on the bubble, playing against Mars State University after losing a close game to Mars Tech the week prior. There are rumors of intergalactic tampering for the upcoming portal window in the off season already.

Syracuse fights heroically, falling just short to Mars State after missing two three-pointers in the last minute and two key FTs.

A youthful poster who goes by the name of MeloDogMatic posts: "after doing a lot of research, we would have won this game and also been an NCAA Tournament Brought To you By Goldman Sachs JP Morgan Bain Sports Group lock if we just had Joe Girard III on this team. Sorry, not sorry. It's the truth. I haven't even taken any hallucinogenic dip n dots before posting this, haters."

Another poster, a 256 year old that goes by BoeheimsSpaceArmy, replies, "Not true. He stunk until he went to play with players built like those 20th century cabbage patch dolls that people that smoked those cigarette things and inhaled leaded gas all loved."

Finally, TheNewNewNewNewNewNewBees, a moderator, gives each a one week ban.

SUTomcatVersion456 gives a somber, but hopeful My Take post.

MikeSU2360 posts that the actual MVP of the team is Maliq Brown The 26th, with his PER of 26.

The only saving grace is the great awakening that occurred a century before, when Duke and UConn were unanimously voted out of college basketball by the universe, as a whole, proving once and for all, there is a God.

This is how you post.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Yeah. What plays do you run when you have no low post game. And you are terrible outside shooting team. Our one great shooter, isn't right now, a Rautins run him off screens type of guy. There is no magic formula. And we seem to score enough to win. It's the other end of the court where we are lacking. We scored 75 pts tonight. That should be enough to win. At least not lose by 15.

Not saying I disagree. I wasn’t able to catch most of the game because of kids obligations, but the one possession I saw early in the game:

Judah dribbling at the top of the key watching Bell jog leisurely across the baseline trying to get open. Everyone else standing completely still doing nothing. It was just awful half court basketball with no movement or purpose.

The one defensive possession I saw that followed:

Judah gets screened at the top of the key. Brown is slow to react to the switch or wasn’t expecting to switch because Judah eventually gets through the screen and now both are idiotically chasing the ball handler as he penetrates toward the low block. Then the ball is kicked out to a wide open JGIII for a 3. It was putrid defensive communication or Judah has the worst defensive awareness of any player I’ve seen. Or was Brown supposed to hedge very hard on that to force that guard away from the basket? We’re seeing the same issues in game 31 that we see saw in November. On both offense and defense.

 

[brian williams]

Schieffelin had just one fewer rebound than Brown-Taylor-Bell combined.

Says it all.