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Coach P Stepping Away from the NFL

P was told before the Champs Sports bowl game he was remaining the HC. Gross went on the ESPN broadcast with Tirico, Herbstreit, and Corso. After Gross left the booth in the second quarter Corso said to Tirico that Coach P was in big trouble.
He was fired the end of the following week.
The program and P needed change after the 2004 season. The problem was Gross/Cantor didn't give P the respect he deserved. They lied to his face. The BC win was great but the Temple loss the previous week made it a game that cost us a BCS bid.

P deserves to be indicted into the SU HOF and since we don't have a ring of honor I don't know what more can be done but he deserves to be brought back for a game and honored if he isn't working next year.
 
Alsacs said:
The program and P needed change after the 2004 season. The problem was Gross/Cantor didn't give P the respect he deserved. They lied to his face. The BC win was great but the Temple loss the previous week made it a game that cost us a BCS bid.

P deserves to be indicted into the SU HOF and since we don't have a ring of honor I don't know what more can be done but he deserves to be brought back for a game and honored if he isn't working next year.
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Even during P’s worst what-the-duck losses in his declining years, I never felt he deserved to be indicted.;)

Replaced? That’s different.
 
Alsacs said:
P was told before the Champs Sports bowl game he was remaining the HC. Gross went on the ESPN broadcast with Tirico, Herbstreit, and Corso. After Gross left the booth in the second quarter Corso said to Tirico that Coach P was in big trouble.
He was fired the end of the following week.
The program and P needed change after the 2004 season. The problem was Gross/Cantor didn't give P the respect he deserved. They lied to his face. The BC win was great but the Temple loss the previous week made it a game that cost us a BCS bid.

P deserves to be indicted into the SU HOF and since we don't have a ring of honor I don't know what more can be done but he deserves to be brought back for a game and honored if he isn't working next year.
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they is cantor. She made the decision. There are posters here who were with her when she gave the direction to gross. Her words to gross during the game were something like get rid of him, he’s embarrassing us.
 
hungrychuck said:
Even during P’s worst what-the-duck losses in his declining years, I never felt he deserved to be indicted.;)

Replaced? That’s different.
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My phone autocorrected inducted into indicted.
Dumb autocorrect but that is my own fault. I mean P is a SU HOFer.
 
Alsacs said:
My phone autocorrected inducted into indicted.
Dumb autocorrect but that is my own fault. I mean P is a SU HOFer.
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Ha, I figured that. The auto-corrects can be amusing.
 
SUGIANT said:
Maybe he was driven out by gross but there is no denying the fan base was part of that, including many on here. He should be revered at SU, he was the best coach at SU ever except, maybe Ben S. And that is only because of the NC. Coach Mac was a better personality, but coach P won consistently for over 10 years.
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Wow - Revered? Maybe the guy with the national championship was better??? Geez. He was a solid - not great - coach and a very good man.

Don’t get carried away though.
 
Cusefan78 said:
I would 100% love to see that. He was ran out of town by gross and should have been given a bit of respect that he earned
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I mean his under .500 record over his last 3 seasons didnt help...

I'm not playing the revisionist history game just because the guy after him was a disaster. Robinson took us unto the express lane to crapdom, but P started the car in his final years. The mistake was the choice not the change. P was a very good coach who brought us to very good places. But he underperformed with national championship level talent. He deserved to be here as long as he was (that 10 win season bought him more time), but once he had 3 under .500 seasons in a row after having NEVER had one before that, it was time to move on. His next two seasons were 5-7 for UConn. The college game, simply, had passed him by.

All that being said...he should be honored. He was a very good coach for a very long time, and from what I understand a great person as well.
 
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rrlbees said:
they is cantor. She made the decision. There are posters here who were with her when she gave the direction to gross. Her words to gross during the game were something like get rid of him, he’s embarrassing us.
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should have been someone saying the same thing about her (and not him)
 
FreakTalksAboutSU said:
I mean his under .500 record over his last 3 seasons didnt help...

I'm not playing the revisionist history game just because the guy after him was a disaster. Robinson took us unto the express lane to crapdom, but P started the car in his final years. The mistake was the choice not the change. P was a very good coach who brought us to very good places. He underperformed with national championship level talent. He deserved to be here as long as he was, but once he had 3 under .500 seasons in a row after having NEVER had one before that, it was time to move on. His next two seasons were 5-7 for UConn. The college game, simply, had passed him by.

All that being said...he should be honored. He was a very good coach for a very long time, and from what I understand a great person as well.
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true he did under perform with some excellent talent at times. he was very good coach not great. he is an excellent individual as far as could tell based on his public persona and the orgeron story.
as far as his last 3 yrs----i give a pass. that is all on the chancellor, board of whatever, gross as well as jake for not investing in the program facilities etc etc. p did not start the car, be drove the car that the university gave him. he got the same deja vu all over again that happened to ben at the end of his career as a result of a lack of investment. su is never proactive they wait until disaster strikes then take some action.
stephanie miner was allowed tom put a nail in the coffin . her unbridled ego helped put the city and university back decades. most of us know that su needed that state money but that is another story.
 
tipphill said:
true he did under perform with some excellent talent at times. he was very good coach not great. he is an excellent individual as far as could tell based on his public persona and the orgeron story.
as far as his last 3 yrs----i give a pass. that is all on the chancellor, board of whatever, gross as well as jake for not investing in the program facilities etc etc. p did not start the car, be drove the car that the university gave him. he got the same deja vu all over again that happened to ben at the end of his career as a result of a lack of investment. su is never proactive they wait until disaster strikes then take some action.
stephanie miner was allowed tom put a nail in the coffin . her unbridled ego helped put the city and university back decades. most of us know that su needed that state money but that is another story.
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As many things as people want to blame TGD for (and there are definitely things he did wrong), this one can't be laid at his doorstep. He took the job literally 4 days prior to P's firing and was following his new boss' orders.
 
FreakTalksAboutSU said:
I mean his under .500 record over his last 3 seasons didnt help...

I'm not playing the revisionist history game just because the guy after him was a disaster. Robinson took us unto the express lane to crapdom, but P started the car in his final years. The mistake was the choice not the change. P was a very good coach who brought us to very good places. But he underperformed with national championship level talent. He deserved to be here as long as he was (that 10 win season bought him more time), but once he had 3 under .500 seasons in a row after having NEVER had one before that, it was time to move on. His next two seasons were 5-7 for UConn. The college game, simply, had passed him by.

All that being said...he should be honored. He was a very good coach for a very long time, and from what I understand a great person as well.
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he had one losing season in 14 years
 
Three things ultimately led to P’s demise at SU:

1) Brutal losses to Rutgers in 2003 and Temple in 2004. Bad losses happen, but those were incredibly ill timed. Beat that horrific Temple team and we just take a beating in the Fiesta Bowl against Utah. No biggee. P would’ve been around in 2005 had that happened.

2) Losing out on Michael Vick. I sincerely think we contend for a national title in 2000 if we had Vick. The utter inability to adequately replace McNabb for years was a killer.

3) Being a loyal employee and not publicly raising the issue of poor facilities. P was (and is) a admirable guy, but in this case he needed to be selfish and call attention to Buzz’s malfeasance.
 
He did great work here. He deserved a smoother exit, but it was time for a change. The fact that the replacement choice wasn't' good doesn't change that. I also am not sure he won't take another job.
 
Scooch said:
Three things ultimately led to P’s demise at SU:

1) Brutal losses to Rutgers in 2003 and Temple in 2004. Bad losses happen, but those were incredibly ill timed. Beat that horrific Temple team and we just take a beating in the Fiesta Bowl against Utah. No biggee. P would’ve been around in 2005 had that happened.

2) Losing out on Michael Vick. I sincerely think we contend for a national title in 2000 if we had Vick. The utter inability to adequately replace McNabb for years was a killer.

3) Being a loyal employee and not publicly raising the issue of poor facilities. P was (and is) a admirable guy, but in this case he needed to be selfish and call attention to Buzz’s malfeasance.
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I don’t disagree. PP also had loyalty to assistants who had had the game pass them by. He won 10 games with Troy Nunes and RJ Anderson! 10!!! Sorry but we can’t overstate the talent at the end either.
 
AZOrange said:
I don’t disagree. PP also had loyalty to assistants who had had the game pass them by. He won 10 games with Troy Nunes and RJ Anderson! 10!!! Sorry but we can’t overstate the talent at the end either.
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So you are saying he lost his recruiting chops too then?
 
Scooch said:
Three things ultimately led to P’s demise at SU:

1) Brutal losses to Rutgers in 2003 and Temple in 2004. Bad losses happen, but those were incredibly ill timed. Beat that horrific Temple team and we just take a beating in the Fiesta Bowl against Utah. No biggee. P would’ve been around in 2005 had that happened.

2) Losing out on Michael Vick. I sincerely think we contend for a national title in 2000 if we had Vick. The utter inability to adequately replace McNabb for years was a killer.

3) Being a loyal employee and not publicly raising the issue of poor facilities. P was (and is) a admirable guy, but in this case he needed to be selfish and call attention to Buzz’s malfeasance.
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Wasn't he rumored to be in the running for the ND head coach job at one point?

If we land Vick, I have no doubt we are contenders in both years Vick plays. Can you imagine him on O and Freeney on D?
 
tipphill said:
true he did under perform with some excellent talent at times. he was very good coach not great. he is an excellent individual as far as could tell based on his public persona and the orgeron story.
as far as his last 3 yrs----i give a pass. that is all on the chancellor, board of whatever, gross as well as jake for not investing in the program facilities etc etc. p did not start the car, be drove the car that the university gave him. he got the same deja vu all over again that happened to ben at the end of his career as a result of a lack of investment. su is never proactive they wait until disaster strikes then take some action.
stephanie miner was allowed tom put a nail in the coffin . her unbridled ego helped put the city and university back decades. most of us know that su needed that state money but that is another story.
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I think if we give him a pass on the last three years we need to also consider that his 2 most successful seasons were with teams that were handed to him stocked with young talent and ready to go.

As many have already said, he was a very good coach, probably the third best in school history, that deserves a lot of recognition.
 
MikeSU02 said:
Wasn't he rumored to be in the running for the ND head coach job at one point?

If we land Vick, I have no doubt we are contenders in both years Vick plays. Can you imagine him on O and Freeney on D?
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And if Vick is on our team, his helmet doesn't rupture Freeney's spleen in 2000.
 
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