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Coach P

OburgOrange said:
When does the university honor him at a game? I realize it wont be this year. Maybe once he retires for good?

Its time
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Beacuse he was fired I honestly doubt it will ever happen and that is a shame. He absolutely should be honored.

Second winingest coach in program history if I’m not mistaken. 14 seasons with only one sub-.500 record, three 10-win seasons, three 9-win seasons, an 8-win season, numerous bowls, some of the best recruits to ever don Orange, etc etc. Makes him look like Vince Lombardi compared to what we have had since.

He had to go because he lost the support of the doners in a time where we already had some recruiting disadvantage and let’s face it, he was run out of town. His personality didn’t make him lovable like Mac nor even Dino but in an era where some fans are fine with consistently lousy with an occasional (and who knows if it can be repeated) great, it does put his career in its proper perspective.
 
Dick_in_MI said:
Beacuse he was fired I honestly doubt it will ever happen and that is a shame. He absolutely should be honored.

Second winingest coach in program history if I’m not mistaken. 14 seasons with only one sub-.500 record, three 10-win seasons, three 9-win seasons, an 8-win season, numerous bowls, some of the best recruits to ever don Orange, etc etc. Makes him look like Vince Lombardi compared to what we have had since.

He had to go because he lost the support of the doners in a time where we already had some recruiting disadvantage and let’s face it, he was run out of town. His personality didn’t make him lovable like Mac nor even Dino but in an era where some fans are fine with consistently lousy with an occasional (and who knows if it can be repeated) great, it does put his career in its proper perspective.
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The people who fired him are long gone. And they totally screwed up the next hire, and many other decisions. Set the program back decades on their own. P should be honored. It’s the right thing to do
 
Dick_in_MI said:
Beacuse he was fired I honestly doubt it will ever happen and that is a shame. He absolutely should be honored.

Second winingest coach in program history if I’m not mistaken. 14 seasons with only one sub-.500 record, three 10-win seasons, three 9-win seasons, an 8-win season, numerous bowls, some of the best recruits to ever don Orange, etc etc. Makes him look like Vince Lombardi compared to what we have had since.

He had to go because he lost the support of the doners in a time where we already had some recruiting disadvantage and let’s face it, he was run out of town. His personality didn’t make him lovable like Mac nor even Dino but in an era where some fans are fine with consistently lousy with an occasional (and who knows if it can be repeated) great, it does put his career in its proper perspective.
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Man, i read this thinking that you were referencing GRob, and I was trying to figure out if I was in an alternate reality.

Agree 100% about P.
 
Simple answer with my very strong and very minority opinions aside.

they will likely wait until the team has been consistently good for at least a couple years in a row.
 
If we can't show appreciation for Coach P - then who can we appreciate?
His successes far outweigh his failing of letting the program fall into the doldrums.
Right now we'd love some doldrums!
 
Coach P was the Coach for some of the greatest moments in Syracuse history. Yeah, it fell apart in the end, but we can appreciate the good times, which were very good. I'd be down to celebrate P.
 
Dick_in_MI said:
Beacuse he was fired I honestly doubt it will ever happen and that is a shame. He absolutely should be honored.

Second winingest coach in program history if I’m not mistaken. 14 seasons with only one sub-.500 record, three 10-win seasons, three 9-win seasons, an 8-win season, numerous bowls, some of the best recruits to ever don Orange, etc etc. Makes him look like Vince Lombardi compared to what we have had since.

He had to go because he lost the support of the doners in a time where we already had some recruiting disadvantage and let’s face it, he was run out of town. His personality didn’t make him lovable like Mac nor even Dino but in an era where some fans are fine with consistently lousy with an occasional (and who knows if it can be repeated) great, it does put his career in its proper perspective.
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I think there's a little revisionist history in there -- he had to go because the product on the field was disintegrating.

I appreciate those years more than anyone and will cherish them. I will never forget going into the Dome as a senior in HS for McNabb's last game. Absolutely the best and most electric game I have ever attended.

All the credit in the world for recruiting McNabb. But once he left, it was one poor QB after another. Troy Nunes should have never played QB at the BCS level. RJ Anderson was a TE in prep school. Madei Williams showed flashes but never panned out. Starting a true freshman QB on the road -- who would later move to safety (and be an NFL pick, amazingly enough).

There was a trend and it wasn't a good one. His time as head coach had come to a close, and there's no shame in that.
 
The first of many mistakes made by the one and only Daryl Gross...
 
SUFan44 said:
I think there's a little revisionist history in there -- he had to go because the product on the field was disintegrating.

I appreciate those years more than anyone and will cherish them. I will never forget going into the Dome as a senior in HS for McNabb's last game. Absolutely the best and most electric game I have ever attended.

All the credit in the world for recruiting McNabb. But once he left, it was one poor QB after another. Troy Nunes should have never played QB at the BCS level. RJ Anderson was a TE in prep school. Madei Williams showed flashes but never panned out. Starting a true freshman QB on the road -- who would later move to safety (and be an NFL pick, amazingly enough).

There was a trend and it wasn't a good one. His time as head coach had come to a close, and there's no shame in that.
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If I recall, Perry Patterson was a 4 star QB recruit. He didn’t pan out (albeit GRob was his coach for his Junior and Senior year), but there was hope for some talent.

Ray Rice would have also been HUGE. He obviously wasn’t a QB, but a string RB can make a QB look way better.
 
nzm136 said:
If I recall, Perry Patterson was a 4 star QB recruit. He didn’t pan out (albeit GRob was his coach for his Junior and Senior year), but there was hope for some talent.

Ray Rice would have also been HUGE. He obviously wasn’t a QB, but a string RB can make a QB look way better.
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Lost out on Vick too
 
OrangeAl said:
If we can't show appreciation for Coach P - then who can we appreciate?
His successes far outweigh his failing of letting the program fall into the doldrums.
Right now we'd love some doldrums!
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As Bill Parcells said, “You are what your record says you are.” Pasqualoni’s record at Syracuse was 107-59-1 (64.1%) with 6 bowl wins and 1 losing season in 14 seasons. I think that record ranks him right up there with two other SU coaching legends, Dick MacPherson and Ben Schwatzwalder.

MacPherson’s record at Syracuse was 66-46-4 (56.9%) with 2 bowl wins and 3 losing seasons in 10 seasons.
Schwartzwalder’s record at Syracuse was 153-91-3 (59.5%) with 2 bowl wins and 3 losing seasons in 25 seasons.

Obviously, Schwatzwalder’s 11-0 national championship season in 1959 and MacPherson’s 11-0-1 record and #4 ranking in 1987 top any of Pasqualoni’s accomplishments. But in two other important metrics - winning percentage and bowl wins - Pasqualoni’s topped them. I wouldn’t say he was a better coach than the other two, but his record certainly entitles him to some recognition.
 
SUFan44 said:
I think there's a little revisionist history in there -- he had to go because the product on the field was disintegrating.

I appreciate those years more than anyone and will cherish them. I will never forget going into the Dome as a senior in HS for McNabb's last game. Absolutely the best and most electric game I have ever attended.

All the credit in the world for recruiting McNabb. But once he left, it was one poor QB after another. Troy Nunes should have never played QB at the BCS level. RJ Anderson was a TE in prep school. Madei Williams showed flashes but never panned out. Starting a true freshman QB on the road -- who would later move to safety (and be an NFL pick, amazingly enough).

There was a trend and it wasn't a good one. His time as head coach had come to a close, and there's no shame in that.
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Well,, for starters, P‘s career encompasses a lot more than the McNabb years, including his 42-15 record before Donovan showed up. You are also forgetting the 10 win season with RJ at the helm. Just let the magnitude of that particular coaching job sink in for a moment,

Beyond this, I didn’t use revisionist history at all. The man’s record has to be used in its entirety. Did the team degrade in his final years? Yes, especially when viewed against the standards that he set. It is true that he finished with two 6-win seasons. It is funny that this year I read posts from fans excitedly saying they think we can get to six wins this season.

Even then, when you are discussing a coach’s career you have to view the entirety of it and not just a couple of ending years. We all view Ben as our greatest coach and yet his final 6 years were basically lousy to bad. I know because it coincided with my undergraduate and graduate years at SU. And yet we don’t view that as a reason to discount the totality of his career. At the end of The Express they don’t put up a disclaimer that Ben wasn’t that good because his last six years ground to a thud.

P’s tenure at SU was a very good one overall, we stopped funding the program adequately, the final years didn’t match the rest of his SU performance, and that was all she wrote.

Since then, we have never come close to matching what he did for the Orange except for a single one-off year.
 
Dick_in_MI said:
Well,, for starters, P‘s career encompasses a lot more than the McNabb years, including his 42-15 record before Donovan showed up. You are also forgetting the 10 win season with RJ at the helm. Just let the magnitude of that particular coaching job sink in for a moment,

Beyond this, I didn’t use revisionist history at all. The man’s record has to be used in its entirety. Did the team degrade in his final years? Yes, especially when viewed against the standards that he set. It is true that he finished with two 6-win seasons. It is funny that this year I read posts from fans excitedly saying they think we can get to six wins this season.

Even then, when you are discussing a coach’s career you have to view the entirety of it and not just a couple of ending years. We all view Ben as our greatest coach and yet his final 6 years were basically lousy to bad. I know because it coincided with my undergraduate and graduate years at SU. And yet we don’t view that as a reason to discount the totality of his career. At the end of The Express they don’t put up a disclaimer that Ben wasn’t that good because his last six years ground to a thud.

P’s tenure at SU was a very good one overall, we stopped funding the program adequately, the final years didn’t match the rest of his SU performance, and that was all she wrote.

Since then, we have never come close to matching what he did for the Orange except for a single one-off year.
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Listen, I like him and am not bashing him at all. Just simply stating that the program was on a downward trend.

The simple reality is this - he inherited a lot more than any other coach in recent history. To his credit, he did very well. But the program was on a decline. Losses to Temple & Rutgers. 4-8, 6-6, 6-6 the last 3 years. It wasn’t good.

Greg Robinson was an absolutely atrocious hire and set the program back many years. Add that to the fact that we are now playing in a big boy football conference with top-to-bottom talent (no Rutgers or Temple in the mix), and it makes it very difficult.

I agree that we saw zero reinvestment into the program from the late 80’s to the early 2000’s. Nothing changed. No major capital improvements. No practice facility. And that made it difficult. So I don’t 100% blame him for seeing the product decline.

But I will never forget the misuse of timeouts, the head-scratching FG attempt vs. BC, and the losses to Rutgers and Temple. Who were SEVERELY behind where SU was in every facet.

You cannot just call out his successes without calling out the shortcomings, and it also is not right to argue nobody has done anything since. There are way too many variables.
 
Kind of tough to honor someone you fired on national TV in front of the world. I guess the Yankees have done it with Billy Martin but that is more the exception than the rule. I'm not even sure what you would be honoring him for or with. You aren't hanging his jersey in the Dome. You aren't giving him a banner. You can't frame anything to hand him at the 50 yard line. I mean, I'm not sure he would even come back to be honored and Im not sure how or why you honor him.

I think SU should just leave this one alone.
 
JKinPhilly said:
In 5 years honor the 30th anniversary of the team that won the 1996 Gator Bowl. Honor the whole team and introduce P last. Seems simple enough to me
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Do we play Clemson that year? Show some highlights of SU slaughtering the Tigers
 
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