Coach Search Options after Autry

[2B20Again]

This talk of Hop (and to a lesser extent GMac) scares me. I’ve been an SU fan for 60+ years (yeah, I’m old) and really want to see us become nationally relevant again before I depart this place of wrath and tears. But hiring Hop or GMac ( or the Colgate coach, or an Ivy league guy) will tell me that rather than setting a goal of making the top 10 again, we’re willing to settle for trying to make the top 10 in the ACC. I hate to think we’re willing to accept being a middle of the ACC team that struggles to make the dance year after year but a hire like that would feel that way.

I would add, if this hire is t a home run, the long term effects will be devastating. We all know the world of college athletics is not stable. SU needs to be positioned in the strongest place in all major sports to be attractive enough to be desired by the conferences in power to not be left without a chair when the music stops. Very, very old man.

 

[Scooch]

It really was so bad.

Like, not just slightly below average, but atrocious. After seeing how terrible our offensive system is now, I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would want to sign up more of the same. Time for a clean break, and an infusion of new ideas to modernize the program, instead of continuing to be stuck in the past.

It's because the folks on the Board, and influential donors, don't have the slightest clue about offensive systems, defensive systems, S&C, or program leadership writ large.

They know Hop and like Hop. And apparently a few, who haven't given $$$ previously, will do so for Hop.

I mean, that's nice and all. But we're going to perpetually struggle with player compensation. I have zero doubt, none whatsoever, that we'll be hearing all about the financial limitations of our program, within months of (potentially) hiring Hop. We'll never, ever, have top tier $$$.

Due to that, we should consider hiring someone who can coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Hop has shown no indication he can do that. We have 7 years of evidence.

But whatever, I'm not worrying about any of it. More and more I'm convinced the glory days of SU hoops are gone forever. That's the subtext of every insider post.

 

[Scooch]

Considering the times we are living in it’s apparent wealthy people make stupid decisions all the time.

Wealthy people make the stupidest decisions. Their wealth insulates them from the consequences.

 

[Widget24]

So, does that mean we can take a step back from the cliff this morning? Lol

 

[sufan59]

Carmelo Anthony earned approximately $262.5 million to $266 million in NBA salary over his 19-season career, ranking among the top 50 all-time highest-paid players. Including lucrative endorsements with brands like Nike (Jordan Brand), his total career earnings exceeded $410 million by his retirement in 2023.

Yep, forgot from last night that it's the beloved Melo in the Hopkins corner. From an outsider perspective, I actually think if Melo did his research on Hodgson, he would be calling him up and pleading with him to allow Kiyan to stay on. Under Hodgson, they basically have a grading system on toughness. Ideally you get the Lally's and Melo to unite around Hodgson. Hopefully they get there in the next few weeks. Guess what if next year isn't good with the outsider, Kiyan still has two years left to decide what they should do. I know it's not their original plan, but this just can't end with the possibility of Syracuse failing again with Hopkins after Autry, it just can't.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Glad to read that Hodgson is in the lead (for now).

I’m trying to convince myself Hop is a viable option I could get behind. Yes, the fan support might be lacking in the beginning, but the vibe I’m getting from those in the know is Hop is a man on a mission. I could see him having a giant chip on his shoulder and a mindset of unfinished business at Syracuse. If he can leverage that into a great staff to support his coaching weaknesses, getting donor support, and recruit, maybe he can reestablish the path that was set for him back when he was named coach in waiting.

Wishful thinking, but possible?

This is like debating whether 80-year-old Harrison Ford should reprise the role of Indiana Jones. Some will think it's a neat idea, others will say W-T-.

 

[richmondcuse03]

So, does that mean we can take a step back from the cliff this morning? Lol

not on the AD search quite yet. It's early days -- there are a group of folks who are pushing for Nick. HL has fans, too. And then there will be other options as well.

Olympics just ended -- this search will take some time.

Basketball is step one.

New chancellor is step two.

AD is probably last domino to fall.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Other than lally.

Even lally is just getting behind a personal friend. Clearly nobody in a position of influence up there is interested in doing a proper national search.

 

[Bulldog04]

Yep, forgot from last night that it's the beloved Melo in the Hopkins corner. From an outsider perspective, I actually think if Melo did his research on Hodgson, he would be calling him up and pleading with him to allow Kiyan to stay on. Under Hodgson, they basically have a grading system on toughness. Ideally you get the Lally's and Melo to unite around Hodgson. Hopefully they get there in the next few weeks. Guess what if next year isn't good with the outsider, Kiyan still has two years left to decide what they should do. I know it's not their original plan, but this just can't end with the possibility of Syracuse failing again with Hopkins after Autry, it just can't.

Kiyan signed a 2 year contract with cuse. I think Hodgson would turn him into quite a player as well

 

[Willy75]

This is obviously a pivotal time for SU in terms of both overall and athletics leadership. Unfortunately I have little confidence that both choices won't be flubbed.

 

[FrancoPizza]

No. A applicant has applied for the job. He is making his case. That is all this is. You think they should tell Hop don't bother making your case because Red sucked?

Just a few weeks ago there was a debate whether Hop should even be given an interview.

 

[MikeSU02]

Kiyan signed a 2 year contract with cuse. I think Hodgson would turn him into quite a player as well

Kiyan has some real offensive tools for someone so young. But he is a country mile where he needs to be to be even a good player, let alone a great one.

I can't be the guy that crushes JJ but then leaves Kiyan alone. I think Hodgson can get the most out of him. I think he can become a really great offensive weapon and serviceable on D.

He needs to also be in the gym getting his body right every day after the season.

 

[shandeezy7]

Kiyan signed a 2 year contract with cuse. I think Hodgson would turn him into quite a player as well

These "contracts" mean nothing, IMO. Especially in light of a pending coach change.

 

[Scooch]

Anyone want to guess who belongs to each of these three season coaching records?

(a) 50-46
(b) 49-44

Of course you all know. A is Hop's last 3 years at UW, B is Red's tenure at SU.

Exciting!

 

[cliftonparksufan]

not on the AD search quite yet. It's early days -- there are a group of folks who are pushing for Nick. HL has fans, too. And then there will be other options as well.

Olympics just ended -- this search will take some time.

Basketball is step one.

New chancellor is step two.

AD is probably last domino to fall.

It's surprising that HL would have people backing her, but maybe she has some unknown qualities.

 

[721Comstock]

not on the AD search quite yet. It's early days -- there are a group of folks who are pushing for Nick. HL has fans, too. And then there will be other options as well.

Olympics just ended -- this search will take some time.

Basketball is step one.

New chancellor is step two.

AD is probably last domino to fall.

Question - IF the next Chancellor leading candidate is in-house,
(Mike Haynie)
then why would there be any delay in announcing that?

Would it be just for the sake of going thru the motions with a search committee, other interviews, yada yada yada?

Because even IF all that stuff needs to happen, “they” should’ve already started the process the day that Syverud announced he was “retiring”.

Likewise w Wildhack’s successor.

Whomever they get as Red’s replacement is gonna wanna know who their boss is.

It would be such a Syracuse thing to FFF up this process, and miss out on our most desirable candidates due to (completely avoidable) timing and political issues.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

These "contracts" mean nothing, IMO. Especially in light of a pending coach change.

Do you think he will considerably more $$$ somewhere else? I don't.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

This is obviously a pivotal time for SU in terms of both overall and athletics leadership. Unfortunately I have little confidence that both choices won't be flubbed.

Expect the unexpected. But, in this case, expect the worst. LOL!!!

 

[Trueblue25]

Just thinking, most of us think BH is the clear leader in the club house for the job. Yet, no one here has any idea who will be making the decision on the job. Since we don't know who will be making the decision, how can we think we know who they will pick? Just a thought.

We were led to believe that Autry’s hiring wasn’t ADJW’s pick, so why would we think that the new AD could sway the powers that be on the Board and amongst alumni?

 

[MikeSU02]

Anyone want to guess who belongs to each of these three season coaching records?

(a) 50-46
(b) 49-44

Of course you all know. A is Hop's last 3 years at UW, B is Red's tenure at SU.

Exciting!

(c) 51-42

JB's last three years.

 

[Newhouser]

Yep, forgot from last night that it's the beloved Melo in the Hopkins corner. From an outsider perspective, I actually think if Melo did his research on Hodgson, he would be calling him up and pleading with him to allow Kiyan to stay on. Under Hodgson, they basically have a grading system on toughness. Ideally you get the Lally's and Melo to unite around Hodgson. Hopefully they get there in the next few weeks. Guess what if next year isn't good with the outsider, Kiyan still has two years left to decide what they should do. I know it's not their original plan, but this just can't end with the possibility of Syracuse failing again with Hopkins after Autry, it just can't.

Maybe Melo knows that grading Kiyan on toughness/effort would not end well for him.

 

[Scooch]

Question - IF the next Chancellor leading candidate is in-house,
(Mike Haynie)
then why would there be any delay in announcing that?

Would it be just for the sake of going thru the motions with a search committee, other interviews, yada yada yada?

Because even IF all that stuff needs to happen, “they” should’ve already started the process the day that Syverud announced he was “retiring”.

Likewise w Wildhack’s successor.

Whomever they get as Red’s replacement is gonna wanna know who their boss is.

It would be such a Syracuse thing to FFF up this process, and miss out on our most desirable candidates due to (completely avoidable) timing and political issues.

I've never worked in academia, but I've done a few projects over my career with academia. That is, by farrrrr, the slowest moving sector I've ever encountered. I've had academics take a full year to do things that a couple of junior-level analysts could have banged out in a week, tops.

I'm not in any way surprised that the hiring process will take an eternity. These people move at the pace of glaciers.

 

[Scooch]

(c) 51-42

JB's last three years.

I'm sold.

 

[RF2044]

It's because the folks on the Board, and influential donors, don't have the slightest clue about offensive systems, defensive systems, S&C, or program leadership writ large.

They know Hop and like Hop. And apparently a few, who haven't given $$$ previously, will do so for Hop.

I mean, that's nice and all. But we're going to perpetually struggle with player compensation. I have zero doubt, none whatsoever, that we'll be hearing all about the financial limitations of our program, within months of (potentially) hiring Hop. We'll never, ever, have top tier $$$.

Due to that, we should consider hiring someone who can coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Hop has shown no indication he can do that. We have 7 years of evidence.

But whatever, I'm not worrying about any of it. More and more I'm convinced the glory days of SU hoops are gone forever. That's the subtext of every insider post.

Great post, Scooch.

 

[FrancoPizza]

The fact that Lyke is already on staff and in a pole position for the AD job is telling.

This isn't about nostalgia change... It's about incompetence. She has no business being on the AD staff, let alone in contention for the AD gig.

If she gets the AD gig and such a BAD decision can be made, MORE bad decisions can certainly be made and likely will be made. Her horrible track record at pitt is a CV of mismanagement horrors. That's not nostalgia-fear-of-change, it's just total incompetence.

Chris Carlson has an e-mail address right? If he has a spine he'll write something up to get this crap out into the public sphere.