Coach Search Options after Autry

[NineOneSeven]

Missed 20 pages but…. Jason Hart? Good lord, man. Too funny. What’s Matt Gorman up to?

 

[phil77]

Just like a group of us said 3 years ago when we hired Red if we hire Hop we deserve everything that will come to us.

 

[Bulldog04]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

 

[grepal]

Mock posters all you like. These kind of hires rarely work out. Hop is a failed head coach. That’s been proven. And I have doubts about consistent top-end money promises from Melo coming in year after year. And then what happens when Kiyan graduates? I guess I can hope that Hop commmits to running an innovative, modern offense and hires smart assistants who know how to scheme and use analytics—and that he ditches the zone for aggressive man to man defense (and you’ll also need to hire experienced assistants to teach that). But I don’t think you can teach an old dog new tricks. A Hop hire, imo, would just be more of the same, but with a more charismatic and dynamic leader. If we can get high end talent, maybe it can work, but I think the ceiling will ultimately be limited.

We need to trust those making the decisions. I for one am so far very happy with HFCFB. Before he became the coach, I did not know who he was. This is not my area of expertise. FWIW after the first couple of years most of The Boneyard was ready to chase Hurley off with torches and pitchforks. Now he can do no wrong.

 

[LAorange44]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

Travis Steele. Dude is going to get another shot at the bigs next year.

 

[Ozone!]

Although Hop is not my top choice, to say he would continue to to be a failed HC is bogus; let his interview speak to to to the search committee and see how this plays out.​

 

[kingtidge]

Hop has donors and may be open to surrounding himself with coaching minds better than his.

He may be open to it?? Is that more wishful thinking window dressing??

Like Englstedt was going to help Red tactically with X's and O's and defense??

I mean, this program needs a MAJOR overhaul - top to bottom - so we don't perpetuate the same outdated, failing ideology and program culture. We need a coach with an effective, modern, winning philosophy and tactical approach, and that can fundraise.

A full reset is needed.

It's a depressignly strange groundhog day twilight zone that machinations are in play to do the same same legacy in-house BS (once again) with this hire.

Insanity is doing the same failing things, over and over, and expecting different results.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

Since you asked. His defense with Matisse Thybulle was elite and he had a great closer in Jaylen Nowell who was a similar player to Tyus Battle.

I don't agree the recruiting wasn't ideal. He did get Stewart, McDaniel, and Quade Green.

The offense was the offense we saw under Battle, Buddy, Elijah Hughes, Andrew White, etc etc etc.

 

[Orangezoo]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

I’d really want to dig in further and understand who he is bringing to the table to be on his staff. I’m very much not on board yet even with big money at play but want to also understand who would be on the bench with him. Without knowing that it’s hard to put faith in the possibility of him being a new and improved coach at his age.

 

[Dcuse]

He may be open to it?? Is that more wishful thinking window dressing??

Like Englstedt was going to help Red tactically with X's and O's and defense??

I mean, this program needs a MAJOR overhaul - top to bottom - so we don't perpetuate the same failing ideology and program culture. We need a coach with an effective modern, winning philosophy and tactical approach.

A full reset is needed.

It's a depressignly starnge twilight zone that machinations are in play to do the same same legacy in-house BS (once again) with this hire.

Insanity is doing the same failing things over and over and expecting different results.

Help me. What is this reset I keep hearing about? Are you saying if we hire one of the Syracuse guys that there wouldn't be a reset?

 

[sufan59]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

I do think coaches can improve and win. I actually feel the same way about Red finding success after Syracuse. But we're talking about the 5th most winningest program of all time that is coming off a noticeable slide over the last 10 years that's led to complete on court irrelevance over the last 5 years that went with a continuity hire 3 years ago. Hopkins really couldn't go to a mid major the last 2 years and have some success there to atleast makes this prospect look a little more compelling? Syracuse has a similiar option on the table that other winning programs (UConn, Florida, Louisville, and Virginia) went with when they had the chance and have rebounded some better than others. But they are dancing and UConn and Florida have won the last 3 national championships.

 

[phil77]

Insanity is doing the same failing things over and over and expecting different results.

Come on man, it will be way different this time. We are just going to try and throw more money at it. Dont worry it will all work out this time I am sure of it. If you don't think so, then you are an idiot because the people who are making decision are way smarter than anyone and know way more about basketball. Then after Hopkins fails in 3 years, we can try GMac and then go 0-3 on the JB coaching tree, and then maybe people will finally realize it is time to do things differently.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Think about the advantages we’ll get by hiring someone that already knows where Euclid Ave is located and has been inside varsity for a slice of pizza.

 

[Cuse2023]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

Sure, you can. That’s why you drop down a level and prove yourself in hopes of one day moving back up. You don’t fail at Washington and then get a BETTER JOB at Syracuse without proving that you can actually be a successful coach.

That stuff doesn’t happen, and it’s why poster after poster on here has said it would be a PR disaster. We want to act like we are still a nationally relevant program, but a nationally relevant program doesn’t hire a coach whose resume shows that he has never succeeded in his career.

 

[Chip]

IMO, Melo could offer great insights into effective offensive production; especially for forwards and shooters!

Yes. Play like I did and be unstoppable.

 

[sufan59]

Sure, you can. That’s why you drop down a level and prove yourself in hopes of one day moving back up. You don’t fail at Washington and then get a BETTER JOB at Syracuse without proving that you can actually be a successful coach.

That stuff doesn’t happen, and it’s why poster after poster on here has said it would be a PR disaster. We want to act like we are still a nationally relevant program, but a nationally relevant program doesn’t hire a coach whose resume shows that he has never succeeded in his career.

There would be nothing better than having success with a Boeheim protege. Truly it would be amazing, but I've accepted the only chance of that happening in a way that makes sense and is logical is with GMAC if the timing aligns in 5-15 years and either GMAC has a successful track record or if Syracuse is truly that desperate and really hit Kenny Payne levels rock bottom bad. I would rather have success with an outsider than whatever we've been going through the last 5 years.

 

[kingtidge]

Help me. What is this reset I keep hearing about? Are you saying if we hire one of the Syracuse guys that there wouldn't be a reset?

I will take you on, one on one, mano a mano...

ISO

Let's build our offense around it...

We can even use the center for top-key pick and rolls.

If you don't have the ball, clear out to the perimeter and watch... and let the ball handler slash...

The kids will have fun out there.

 

[PhatOrange]

Hop has donors and may be open to surrounding himself with coaching minds better than his.

lol is this how we're going to sell ourselves? Hop is a .500 coach in 7 years with exactly 1 ncaa bid.

 

[UnknownOrange]

I don’t feel like getting yelled at, I’m just asking a question - does anyone feel that coaches can improve and win after they have failed ? There’s a lot of cases that prove this theory to be correct. Hop had one stint that went well and then not so well. Why did it go well first couple of years ? Something he did had to work. And then I know there were some injuries and stuff like that and then recruiting wasn’t ideal. But just curious because what if it worked out ? Haven’t heard one positive possible outcome yet lol

I believe much of the disappointment with hop being a candidate is the last time you saw him, he was a failed head coach. His name could be Mike Hopkins, Kenny Payne, etc.

even worse if the other preferred options are guys who have winning backgrounds at their current stop (Schertz, Hodgson, etc)

Hiring a previously failed HC doesn't mean they will fail at that job, but it's uninspiring even if it's one of our own (which also doesn't help when another one of our own has put us in this spot)

 

[Bulldog04]

I’d really want to dig in further and understand who he is bringing to the table to be on his staff. I’m very much not on board yet even with big money at play but want to also understand who would be on the bench with him. Without knowing that it’s hard to put faith in the possibility of him being a new and improved coach at his age.

I will find out more on who he is looking at for coaches but I know one name for sure that he’s been talking to to join the coaching staff - our favorite trash talking #23 Eric Devendorf

 

[NineOneSeven]

Good thread on how bad UW's offense was under Hop. Sounds like the end of JB and all of Red's tenure.

https://www.google.com/url?esrc=s&q=&rct=j&sa=U&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/huskies/comments/qqmvh4/mike_hopkins_needs_to_go/&ved=2ahUKEwjCx93e3_SSAxWVmokEHdUcDQgQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw2VEUud1Bd6nqImK4YovjJA

And he had several NBA players in his time there. Granted, McDaniels and Thybulle were known as defensive guys but still. Not to mention Beef Stew, the enforcer.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Mike Hopkins could bring back the 2-3 zone full time! Life is a circle!

 

[Sherman20]

You mean the same guy that wanted Coach Autry to coach his son? Yeah, that sure seemed to work out great.

Melo has a lot going on. He’s not watching mid-major basketball trying to find the best possible coach. He wants Hopkins because he knows Hopkins.

And to say that nobody knew who Hodgson was three months ago is quite funny because it goes to show that the only people that would be okay with Hopkins are those who have no idea what goes on outside Syracuse basketball. People on this board were talking about Hodgson going back to last year. A large part of this board has seen many of his games.

These are all great points. And I mean, look who’s on these lists of top coaching candidates from the mid major level LAST year. BH and Schertz. I hate that the powers that be are trying to get cute with this hire.

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[721Comstock]

Since you asked. His defense with Matisse Thybulle was elite and he had a great closer in Jaylen Nowell who was a similar player to Tyus Battle.

I don't agree the recruiting wasn't ideal. He did get Stewart, McDaniel, and Quade Green.

The offense was the offense we saw under Battle, Buddy, Elijah Hughes, Andrew White, etc etc etc.

Hop only won when he had Romar’s players.

Once he was down to the guys he himself could pull, his results dropped off.

And then once his east coast crootin ties dried up, he was dead in the water.

But sure!
He’s gonna do so much better this time, without having any great players to start off with, nor any recruiting ties anywhere anymore!!

sign me up!!

 

[shandeezy7]

I will find out more on who he is looking at for coaches but I know one name for sure that he’s been talking to to join the coaching staff - our favorite trash talking #23 Eric Devendorf

The decision makers at Syracuse must not know that other programs exist outside of Syracuse basketball.