Coach Search Options after Autry

[kingtidge]

A good coach can struggle with a limited war chest in the P4. A bad coach can make the tournament while funded. It’s a horrible time in sports. Evolve or die.

*ducks*

Just so we're clear, where does that put Red?

Are we now at the point in the season where we blame "not enough NIL" was the problem again?

I feel like we have skipped that part and gone right to "hire another JAB legacy" is the answer...

It's not an acceptable answer.

 

[Consigliere]

Jesus you guys. I read like 15 pages a day and still can't catch up. I'm way back on page 148.

Skip ahead. Not much has changed since then!

 

[Cuse12]

If it’s not BH, I’m going to have to recalibrate my fandom. If we are just a budget program, then I need to adjust my fandom accordingly.

 

[Consigliere]

We need to face reality here you have our most celebrated player in basketball history arguably who has his son on the team that may prefer hop from what I’m gathering and assist in putting a winning team together? I don’t see how Syracuse uppers says no to that….I just think given this variable it’s a far bigger chip that plays a huge part in this entire process. Hard to deny it but we will see how it plays out

Get ready stilettos…..

And who knows far more about basketball than anyone on this board.

In the meantime let’s keep on with the narrative that the only acceptable coaching hire is someone that most haven’t seen coach a game or hadn’t even heard of three months ago.

I’ll watch the process unfold and support the program next year with at least some level of trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed.

 

[Trueblue25]

Just so we're clear, where does that put Red?

Are we now at the point in the season where we blame "not enough NIL" was the problem again?

I feel like we have skipped that part and gone right to "hire another JAB legacy" is the answer...

It's not an acceptable answer.

Red’s a bad coach who’s losing or has lost the donors. So he’s the worst of each world.

 

[Ozone!]

To me the bottom line of a coaching hire is…what will your offense look like and what will your defense look like and how will you be informed when things don’t go your expected way?​

NIL money will be there; we know we have existing donors and the new coach should have his own sources as well!

 

[Blanko97]

The university looks at the entire amount they are on the hook for though. And yes it is 3.5-$4m to hire a top coach so are they going to shell that out? What if Hodgson says that’s what he deserves. There’s no way SU is making a $20m commitment to the guy. Hence why these others are in the conversation. They want to be at $2m a year. They have always been at $2m a year. Problem is $2m a year is a joke when you look at average salaries for these coaches these days. BH makes about $750-1m from what I researched tax free in Florida. But he’s going to get some offers that far exceed $2m a year and that’s where there is going to be a problem for cuse

If their budget stubbornness is true then we have the stupidest BoT and AD in the country. You paid 2M a year a decade ago, inflation impact alone has that amount nearing 2.7-2.8M

 

[Cusefan0307]

Good thread on how bad UW's offense was under Hop. Sounds like the end of JB and all of Red's tenure.

https://www.google.com/url?esrc=s&q=&rct=j&sa=U&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/huskies/comments/qqmvh4/mike_hopkins_needs_to_go/&ved=2ahUKEwjCx93e3_SSAxWVmokEHdUcDQgQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw2VEUud1Bd6nqImK4YovjJA

 

[Ozone!]

A question I would ask hop is, what have you learned about effective offense during your time as an NBA assistant coach?​

 

[Blanko97]

I agree with this statement. Stop dancing around and masquerading as a top ACC program. If you can’t find money from the 90k tuition the school is forcing students to pay and other methods of cash that private universities have at their disposal, then say it.

(This will never happen) if they are as behind as what’s being said here, then the AD and chancellor must focus on one revenue generating sport and throw the other aside.

Or at least make the school more competitive academically. If you going to throw away the sports angle that can draw in applicants then 90k a year should at least be enough to be a top 30 school. The fact that we can’t seem to climb into the top 50 academically is ridiculous. Hate the ranking system all you want but the game has been played the same for 20 years and we keep dropping.

 

[Scooch]

Get ready stilettos…..

And who knows far more about basketball than anyone on this board.

In the meantime let’s keep on with the narrative that the only acceptable coaching hire is someone that most haven’t seen coach a game or hadn’t even heard of three months ago.

I’ll watch the process unfold and support the program next year with at least some level of trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed.

Melo was a Hall of Fame player. That doesn't mean he knows what makes a great coach, or how to run a college basketball program.

I've been clear that I don't know much about Hodgson or if he'd be a good hire for SU. I'm not stuck on him at all.

However, I don't "trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed". Not given the current rudderless state of SU leadership.

I laid out what an executive-level hiring process for this program should be dozens of pages ago, and I've yet to see any evidence that's being followed. Sounds a lot more like Game of Thrones.

 

[Blanko97]

FWIW, I believe there is optimism should Kingz request an extra year.

I can’t see how he gets granted it. Aguilar had basically the same background of 2 JUCO years and got denied. I assume every court going forward will use that as the precedent setting case

 

[Ozone!]

Melo was a Hall of Fame player. That doesn't mean he knows what makes a great coach, or how to run a college basketball program.

I've been clear that I don't know much about Hodgson or if he'd be a good hire for SU. I'm not stuck on him at all.

However, I don't "trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed". Not given the current rudderless state of SU leadership.

I laid out what an executive-level hiring process for this program should be dozens of pages ago, and I've yet to see any evidence that's being followed. Sounds a lot more like Game of Thrones.

IMO, Melo could offer great insights into effective offensive production; especially for forwards and shooters!

 

[kingtidge]

Red’s a bad coach who’s losing or has lost the donors. So he’s the worst of each world.

If you put Hop's name in your sentence above, would that not also apply to his tenure at Washington?

If we simply rinse and repeat and do the same thing again, hoping for better results, then we deserve to lose and lose miserably.

Get ready stilettos…..

And who knows far more about basketball than anyone on this board.

In the meantime let’s keep on with the narrative that the only acceptable coaching hire is someone that most haven’t seen coach a game or hadn’t even heard of three months ago.

I’ll watch the process unfold and support the program next year with at least some level of trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed.

Melo thought Red was going to be great with his son and the new players coming in this season too (even tho there was PLENTY of evidence to expect otherwise). He also grew frustrated this year as the season played out as many here expected. We all hoped against hope it might be better, but most weren't surprised how's it gone, as the writing was on the wall.

Let's not pretend this push for Hop has anything to do with some "next level" of understanding college basketball program rebuilding that us mere mortals can't comprehend... It's none of that.

Melo wants his friend to coach his son. That hasn't changed. Just the name of that friend has. If that is the effective, due dilligence decision making process you are talking about, sorry, but that sucks.

 

[CU44SE]

Someone needs to get the shark, #15, and Lally in a room together.

 

[Scooch]

IMO, Melo could offer great insights into effective offensive production; especially for forwards and shooters!

How's that going for Kiyan?

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Id rather BH… by a lot.

But it’s hard to make this statement if the magnitude of the mentioned NIL funding is a possibility. That’d allow for top tier assistants and portal talent. Thats whats needed in this environment. The games degraded to this point and will continue to get worse.

This is a really unfortunate mindset, and I hope the decision-makers on the hill don't fall into it. Hop has already failed as a head coach... badly... and we are living through a season in which the phrase it's not what you have, but how you use it has never been more apparent.

Money doesn't solve problems. Skill and talent (in this case coaching) solve problems. We literally are living through this exact mistake RIGHT NOW.

 

[Fly Rodder]

He did, but what he has planned for the next couple is monumental

Unless it is like $50-75m to endow a player warchest that can fund itself in perpetuity, then it is not sustainable and I would still want a coach who can win with what he can get.

And thank you for posting what you can Bulldog, we're not responding at you personally like you're making the decisions.

 

[PhatOrange]

Hiring Hop is beyond depressing

When the tail wags the dog you're fubar

 

[kingtidge]

Hopkins for HC, Gross back as AD and hire Zombie Mel Eggers for Chancellor! It’s a foolproof plan!!

Bring back Jake's ashtray too...

 

[Cuse2023]

Get ready stilettos…..

And who knows far more about basketball than anyone on this board.

In the meantime let’s keep on with the narrative that the only acceptable coaching hire is someone that most haven’t seen coach a game or hadn’t even heard of three months ago.

I’ll watch the process unfold and support the program next year with at least some level of trust that proper due diligence and an effective process will be followed.

You mean the same guy that wanted Coach Autry to coach his son? Yeah, that sure seemed to work out great.

Melo has a lot going on. He’s not watching mid-major basketball trying to find the best possible coach. He wants Hopkins because he knows Hopkins.

And to say that nobody knew who Hodgson was three months ago is quite funny because it goes to show that the only people that would be okay with Hopkins are those who have no idea what goes on outside Syracuse basketball. People on this board were talking about Hodgson going back to last year. A large part of this board has seen many of his games.

 

[rrlbees]

Not to change the subject but wasn’t there a bulldong04 that posted here while back?

yep. not a bad poster either. then, poof, he just disappeared.

 

[kingtidge]

yep. not a bad poster either. then, poof, he just disappeared.

Long live the Donger!

 

[Orangezoo]

Well..

If we’re looking at somewhere between 15 to 20 million, annually and committed, in additional NIL funding above what we currently have…

If thats in the cards


I’d take Hop surrounded by top tier assistants if we cant get near the same with other candidates.

Have Hop be CEO. Its 2026. Money turns programs around on a dime quicker than anything else. Thats exactly what Jim Boeheim would tell you, whether talking about SU’s future or college basketball in general.

A good coach can struggle with a limited war chest in the P4. A bad coach can make the tournament while funded. It’s a horrible time in sports. Evolve or die.

*ducks*

Unless we can pay up and convince someone like Langel to be an assistant coach or co head coach with Hop where Hop gets the job I don’t see how this ever works out and even that hypothetical I just dropped makes me nauseous.

 

[sufan59]

FWIW this seems like an impossible situation for the decision makers to navigate. We can't find Syracuse in a lose lose situation here. If one thing is clear, the support for an elite College Basketball program could technically be there before the new coach even takes the court if people can be converted to unconditionally supporting the best candidate. It may be imperative for a notable basketball alumni out there publicly stressing the importance of an outside hire at this time and the unification of the alumni around this person whoever they may be. Cough, Bryan Hodgson.