Coach Search Options after Autry

[007]

Hard to believe sometimes that its the same Mike who was the WTVH sportscaster of my youth. Nothing but the utmost respect for Mike. He loves Syracuse.

Loves SU and is definitely clued in on the Syracuse and national perspective, and the long term ramifications of these hires.

The power struggle and political infighting playing out is real. But the notion by some here that the decision makers are all clueless is...misguided.

 

[IthacaMatt]

This is great and all but I think no one here was concerned about the Lally's until we had to be concerned about them given the push by Hopkins/Melo (and potentially AW).

A week ago everyone "felt" and this is the insiders too that BH was the answer and frontrunner with or without the Lally's.

It's the new contender that jumped in the ring with support that was the reason everyone got excited.

Just saying it's the other side of the fence we need commentary from because they're making the bigger promises on money and are pushing a lesser candidate in Hop (imo).

Why did the Lally's see the need to place their name above Carmelo's at the entrance to the basketball building? Seems awfully petty to me.

I can see why they got in the unsavory argument with Weitsman, but are they the same kind of arrogant pushy people who have to have to have their butts kissed all the time?

They have their name already in giant letters on the exterior of the old Manley Fieldhouse building that be seen very clearly from the street.

 

[bnoro]

Hey that’s me! lol

Set us back 100 years, bit reactionary no?

 

[Owens guy]

I'm sorry but I'm panicking now.

If Syracuse ends up with Lyke and a previously unsuccessful head basketball coach in Hop, A LOT of things will have to go our way to have great successes in basketball and a ticket to play in the next wave of big time collegiate sports.

Syracuse basketball used to mean much more to me than I like to admit and it still can but I don't want it to become just something to watch if I have nothing else to do.

 

[kingtidge]

I kind of get that feeling as well. I can’t see the BoT screwing up these decisions by hiring Hop and Lyke. There’s too much at stake financially.

Glass half full me likes to think so, as well... but Lyke is already on the payroll... That should have NEVER happened to begin with... yet it happened. Big screw-up # 2 (after hiring Red).

 

[NKR1978]

It’s not even necessarily those 2…nor just Lyke/NC. One of the most important pieces of the decision making process has been in Milan. Everyone watches too much Game of Thrones. This isn’t Winterfell and the Red Keep

So you're saying no one will be thrown off of Lawrinson?

 

[IthacaMatt]

Wow, that's awfully strongly worded. Universities don't usually like that.

 

[NKR1978]

Set us back 100 years, bit reactionary no?

200 years would be reactionary. 100 is a conservative level headed assessment.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I kind of get that feeling as well. I can’t see the BoT screwing up these decisions by hiring Hop and Lyke. There’s too much at stake financially.

Well, all the smoke is indicating their are going to screw it up, and royally.

 

[Starman]

I think I read 60 pages in ned last night and I'm still 15 behind...

I'm kinda surprised that nobody has mentioned football as a reason for Hop (at least yet, 15 pages in the past). With 30m NIL for basketball, maybe those who make the decisions think they can reallocate more of the funds earmarked for basketball over to football and pursue both at once.

 

[007]

This deal looks like and feels like a trap for the program. You can get all of this money, but you have to hire a coach that wouldn’t get a power conference head coaching job anywhere else in 2026. It’s wrong. Hodgson is the right thing and logical thing to do. I don’t know if he’ll be successful, I’m confident he will. But still this is the right hire, it’s makes too much damn sense. What am I missing here.

Like most here, we don't know what we don't know. I'm not saying Hodgson is the right, wrong, or only choice. I'm saying we don't know all the variables at play that will impact the decision or what is important to who. Whether any particular variable should be meaningful or not is a different debate.

 

[NKR1978]

Well, all the smoke is indicating their are going to screw it up, and royally.

Remember when Coyle was hired and we thought we were getting the guy from Bucknell because of all the smoke? And then when Dino was hired and the board had a Chris Ash meltdown because of all the smoke? The smoke is wrong a lot.

 

[sufan59]

Why did the Lally's see the need to place their name above Carmelo's at the entrance to the basketball building? Seems awfully petty to me.

I can see why they got in the unsavory argument with Weitsman, but are they the same kind of arrogant pushy people who have to have to have their butts kissed all the time?

They have their name already in giant letters on the exterior of the old Manley Fieldhouse building that be seen very clearly from the street.

Ask the University. They don’t just put names on buildings to put names on building. It’s not an honor, it’s a donor offering. The university or any organization offers donation opportunities and sometimes include naming rights. People donate to those opportunities and get naming rights and they can control when they want to implement their naming rights. Btw organizations typically prefer for people to implement their naming rights asap because it’s something that helps with engaging other donors. It’s very possible Syracuse wanted the Lally’s naming rights implemented to its full force here. Again, Melo jersey wasn’t taken off the rafters or even the building. I would guess Melo is going to be in the ring of honor sooner than later.

 

[kingtidge]

This deal looks like and feels like a trap for the program. You can get all of this money, but you have to hire a coach that wouldn’t get a power conference head coaching job anywhere else in 2026. It’s wrong. Hodgson is the right thing and logical thing to do. I don’t know if he’ll be successful, I’m confident he will. But still this is the right hire, it’s makes too much damn sense. What am I missing here?

People's feelings in the decision-makers' / big whale donors' room...

Seems to be a big consideration factor in our decision making processes and a primary reason we got Red to begin with.

 

[BomberOrange]

Well, all the smoke is indicating their are going to screw it up, and royally.

I don’t always believe the smoke

 

[OburgOrange]

Made the big time

 

[Cusean]

Made the big time

If that number is accurate - and not including revenue share or money from Vegas - Syracuse would likely have the biggest NIL budget in CBB for two years. I get why people are not on board with Hop but it’s hard to turn that down.

 

[Orangezoo]

If that number is accurate - and not including revenue share or money from Vegas - Syracuse would likely have the biggest NIL budget in CBB for two years. I get why people are not on board with Hop but it’s hard to turn that down.

Can that number buy you a title (or two) with a mediocre to below average head coach?

 

[Cusefan0307]

If that number is accurate - and not including revenue share or money from Vegas - Syracuse would likely have the biggest NIL budget in CBB for two years. I get why people are not on board with Hop but it’s hard to turn that down.

Kentucky says hello. 2 years and then what with a coach who went under .500 with multiple burger boys.

 

[Cusean]

Kentucky says hello. 2 years and then what with a coach who went under .500 with multiple burger boys.

Yep, nothing is guaranteed. But I can give you a dozen other examples of teams with $12-$14 million dollar rosters that are title contenders right now. Kentucky’s had some injuries too. That stuff happens.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Yep, nothing is guaranteed. But I can give you a dozen other examples of teams with $12-$14 million dollar rosters that are title contenders right now. Kentucky’s had some injuries too. That stuff happens.

I went through this yesterday in this thread. There's not a dozen teams with that budget. There's 10. Duke and Michigan are title contenders. TT was and their best guy got injured. Every other program is underperforming. I don't count UConn because most of their funding is revenue share.

 

[Cappy3]

I think I read 60 pages in ned last night and I'm still 15 behind...

I'm kinda surprised that nobody has mentioned football as a reason for Hop (at least yet, 15 pages in the past). With 30m NIL for basketball, maybe those who make the decisions think they can reallocate more of the funds earmarked for basketball over to football and pursue both at once.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[HyattsCuse]

Made the big time

This would have been comedy gold if this was posted back when Bulldong04 was around. Could have gone viral.

 

[Melancer46]

If the money weren't a factor, I would definitely prefer Hodgson. I am not pro-Hop by any means, but if I were arguing the Pro-Hop side, I would say:

Winning conference coach of the year his first two seasons at Washington is pretty impressive, particularly winning it in a year where he failed to even reach the tournament.

He was always a good recruiter in the past and had some big recruiting wins at Washington as well. Maybe he's lost his touch but I think you could convince yourself that he'd still be a good recruiter for us.

Maybe most importantly, he's had time post-Washington to reflect on what went wrong, time on NBA benches to broaden his philosophies and hopefully evolve from the coach that he was his first time as head coach.

That last point (as well as the financial backing that Bulldog referred to) are the two big keys to whether or not he can succeed if he becomes our next coach. I think you'd have to be out of your mind to not be skeptical, but that kind of financial backing can cover up a lot of mistakes (at least in the short term) and potentially give us the kickstart we need to return to relevance.

Obvious follow up question is: "So we invest a ton the first couple years and let's assume it goes pretty well...what happens after that?"

 

[Ozone!]

Made the big time

How about applying this to the candidate of choice by the search committee and new AD?