Coach Search Options after Autry

[Cusefan0307]

So who

And out of curiosity what if it's BH? Lots of people saying he just needs one year to turn it around. He has been presented that he also would recruit great and bring in plenty of Nil. It's been mentioned he would bring a couple of studs from his current team. Lally supports him. Same expectations? And don't tell me his up tempo will be fun even if he doesn't win. To me any coach coming in has to have high expectations cuz we already have cratered for awhile now. There's no long runways for anyone at this point.

BH will get more leeway. He has to build infrastructure. Hurley and Golden didn’t win right away.

 

[LAorange44]

putting money into NIL instead of buyouts, even for the so-called Shark, is a good thing.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

? Why didn’t Melo raise the 30 million to make sure his kid had enough players around him so he could win this year?

 

[LAorange44]

It's because his name is Hopkins and he played and coached here, that is the only REASON. PERIOD full stop. He has been out of college basketball for multiple years. He hasn't recruited the East Coast for almost a decade now and hasnt been apart of a winning college program since 2019. If his name wasn't HOPKINS, his offseason would involve getting fired from his player development gig for the Pelicans and that might be the end of the road.

Life is all about luck, timing, and being the right guy, in the right place, at the right time.

ALL ABOARD THE HOP EXPRESS!!!!!

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

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I think wanting experienced, successful assistants is reasonable if Hop would become the HC.

You mean people who can actually coach basketball and win games that be a novel idea

 

[phil77]

So who

And out of curiosity what if it's BH? Lots of people saying he just needs one year to turn it around. He has been presented that he also would recruit great and bring in plenty of Nil. It's been mentioned he would bring a couple of studs from his current team. Lally supports him. Same expectations? And don't tell me his up tempo will be fun even if he doesn't win. To me any coach coming in has to have high expectations cuz we already have cratered for awhile now. There's no long runways for anyone at this point.

My expectations for BH year 1 would be different because he wouldn't have 30 million dollars backing him. In YR 1 I would want to see BH make the team compete on both ends of the floor, successfully changing the culture in the program. I want to see the actual defensive and offensive systems installed. And I would expect us not to have a losing season doing this.

YR 2 and going forward I would expect the tournament again, no exceptions every year. Any year after YR 1 that isn't a tournament team would be a failure.

That would be my expectations for anyone who isn't a continuity hire with 30 million dollars backing them

 

[grepal]

“he lets Murray plan and run the offense.”
This is wildly overstated. Hurley empowered Murray and they structured recruiting and player acquisition around their offensive (and defensive) identity. Hurley is very much involved with every detail. My issue is that Hop had 7 years to modernize his offense and implement a vision or hire an offensive guru and he failed. Unless Hop comes in with a brilliant roadmap and vision for the program—including upgrading the staff and infrastructure from top to bottom and modernizing the offense based on analytics and advanced stats—then this is just putting lipstick on a pig. Even with that, Hop never implemented such a system and has no experience doing anything other than what JB did at Syracuse, so we shouldn’t even be entertaining this idea.

I think SU will go outside the program this time. Not saying an assistant can't be a part of the staff but SU needs a new start.

 

[GHLF]

1. Haynie 2. Lyke 3. Hodgson If numbers have already been floated. Pure speculation, You cannot let anyone strong arm playing time for nil, If it is not warranted.

 

[CuseBlock]

This thread

 

[phsyra]

I assume Hop just runs the dumb iso drive and kick garbage that 5 year olds can do that was a staple of our program the last 40 years. That wont work for me.

 

[dasher]

? Why didn’t Melo raise the 30 million to make sure his kid had enough players around him so he could win this year?

Ask him? Maybe he didn't believe all that much in Red. Maybe he really believes in Hop.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Quality control coach- Jay Wright

Reverse Olympics: Hop HC JB and K as assistants

 

[dasher]

I assume Hop just runs the dumb iso drive and kick garbage that 5 year olds can do that was a staple of our program the last 40 years. That wont work for me.

The last 40 years? We were pretty damn successful for 40 years.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Ask him? Maybe he didn't believe all that much in Red. Maybe he really believes in Hop.

Why did he let his kid come here then?

 

[pearl31]

The last 40 years? We were pretty damn successful for 40 years.

(sometimes people's actual long-standing agenda seeps through by accident)

 

[GHLF]

I think I’m feeling a little better about the AD search. No inside info. The ad search committee has tirico on it. I dont think he would let this happen. In addition they have hired a search firm, which dives into candidates backgrounds. I would hope and think they would uncover all the nasty stuff at Pitt on Lyke.

Maybe I’m too optimistic, I’m hoping these two factors prevent Lyke from being the next AD.

Uncover? Like seriously do you think people did not know these things when she was hired? And honestly maybe she was a little too ambitious as it relates to non revenue producing sports? Maybe she has learned her lesson unequivocally. If it is her, she better be football friendly. And real quick. If someone is actually backing that is exponentially football friendly, That is a very good thing. You would think they would realize we need other sources of funding at the same time in addition to them right? Unequivocally. And I am not talking about sources who talked a lot but gave a little. Just a little Subjective / objective thought

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I don’t disagree, but if he had capable guards with those two bigs I doubt he goes 15-17. I’ve said from day one is offense was dreadful.

So, let’s get a guy who can’t construct a roster?

 

[dasher]

Why did he let his kid come here then?

Because he still loves Syracuse. And his kid wanted to come here. I don't tell other people how to spend their money. It has worked for me.

 

[bnoro]

I don't get it. People watch teams like all those Pay Pal Cal UK teams flame out of the tourney, or Rutgers with 2 top 10 recruits last season and SU fans are like, "Man, THAT'S what we need here!" while completely ignoring the existence of well coached teams with sane NIL budgets and coherent identities competing just fine in the modern game.

If we have Hop and $30m or whatever, I fully expect a team of overpaid mercenaries competing with each other for stats as we scrape into the tournament and lose in the first round.

I'd rather have Pikiell than Hop and it's not even close.

 

[DilemaCuse]

? Why didn’t Melo raise the 30 million to make sure his kid had enough players around him so he could win this year?

I guess the folks with money were not desperate yet.

But reaching for Mike Hopkins is also desperation but not necessary when there are better qualified candidates. This is all so bizarre, and the people allegedly ponying up money for Hop are not based in reality but rather fantasy. Hopefully Tirico or whoever is in charge can see this.

 

[rocklloyd]

The new coach has one year to turn things around.

 

[Bulldog04]

? Why didn’t Melo raise the 30 million to make sure his kid had enough players around him so he could win this year?

This roster was strong on paper. Unfortunately not strong on the white board where the “plays” were drawn up

 

[Briancuse]

I'd rather have Pikiell than Hop and it's not even close.

You mean the guy who went 15 and 17 with two top 5 picks, and is on the verge of three straight losing seasons, with one ncaa tournament win to speak of. There was a time where I would have taken him that time isn't now

 

[Irt4su]

And for the record as well, if anyone of you are unaware… Hodgson is a terrific motivator who has gone viral multiple times for speeches in the locker room (ex: Buffalo TBT)

He is not some dud who has no personality. I don’t even really think Hopkins has that edge on him at all to be completely honest.

And plays to the crowd and students. He lives in the game not just sits and watches

 

[Cappy3]

Can anyone please explain for those of us who are less knowledgeable what happened with Hop in Washington? Why so many have decided he was a failure as a head coach and we would be unleashing the apocalypse if he was hired here?

I know he was his leagues coach of the year his first two years. He went 48-22 those years.
Seems to me that is pretty damn good.

Then came Covid and his record for those 2 years was horrific but I dont blame him for that - there were horrific records all over the country. The two Covid years were a combined 20-38. Again I completely discount all of this.

The next 3 years he went 50-46. Respectable, nothing great.

Since he left Washington went 13-18, and are currently 14-14. This is Red level of ineptitude.

Seems to me there is more going on here than Hop suddenly forgot how to coach.

Listen, I have no problem believing BH is a better coach, as is Scherz.
I also believe GMAC is better than Hop.

But nothing in his Washington record suggests he is the second coming of Red.
You don't win coach of the year in your league, let alone twice, if you are a bad coach.

Again, Hop is not my first choice, or even my second choice.
But if he can bring twice or three times the NIL money as BH, I think he has enough coaching ability to get results and get us back to the NCAAT.

I guess what I am trying to say is I am not going to refuse to renew my season tickets if they choose Hop and the higher NIL.

For one thing, in those first two years when they went 48-22 they only made the NCAAT one, and weren’t rated above 47 in the NET. So maybe the schedule had something to do with that record. And the “respectable “50-46 is similar to what Red has done, but Red’s record was in a tougher league. And I think everyone here agrees we don’t want someone the same as Red.