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Coach Search Options after Autry

Cusefan0307 said:
There’s a petition online going around to sign to not hire Mike Hopkins in case anyone wondered how the fanbase feels as a whole.
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You mention a petition to a fan board that feels desperately powerless about Hop/Melo and it never crossed your mind to provide a link?
 
RF2044 said:
This is a rare case where we disagree on something, Dasher. Because I think that this is a new paradigm for recruiting that bucks how we've done things in the past.

I don't believe we are going to need tons of NIL expenditure at first, because this will be a multi-phased roster reconstruction. BH will recruit system fits, using data from his stints at Arkansas State and USF to "sell" transfers on the type of system he will run. He's not going to come out of the gates trying to go after big time recruits, either via the portal or HS recruits.

Instead, he's going to bring in guys who will help him get his systems on both sides of the ball in place. And my expectation is that just as was the case in his two last stops, we'll see a quick turnaround in terms of our ability to play competitively against better teams.

And although he has no ties to this program, I would expect this process to emulate what we saw at Houston over the years. A bunch of three-star recruits with some four-stars mixed in, who play "better" than that rating because they are well coached and the system is sound.

And after the footprint is in place, and success gets elevated, THEN like Houston we might go after higher rated guys. For YEARS, Houston didn't have guys like Flemings / Cirac, who were highly rated recruits -- they got busy with a bunch of lesser-rated recruits who FIT THEIR SYSTEM. The funny thing is, some UH insiders were "worried" that guys like Cirac might not "fit" the hard-nosed intensity of the players they are used to in their program.

Please note, I'm not talking about bargain basement guys, or reaches like Howard Washington. BH will get quality players, they just might not be as highly rated out of the gate as what Syracuse fans are used to from the past.

But if the program gets established, the multi-phased approach will work -- both in terms of chasing higher rated players, and in terms of what will be required in terms of shelling out $$$ to land them.
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Fantastic post!
 
Cusefan69 said:
Agreed, I don't recall a single person in this thread pushing Hop. A few have sought to play "devil's advocate " so to speak just to highlight what might make the committee listen (Melo and $30m) but pretty sure that is it.
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Well there is one guy pushing Hop. Appears to be from the west coast based on his screen name. I'm about to get an angry face reaction to this post once he reads it if you need help identifying him :)
 
Bulldog04 said:
No one is saying we have to hire Hopkins. Including me. I want BH. But some people on here are clueless (not directing that at you). You know how many schools have more money than cuse on that list that Norlander posted alone? Hmmm let’s see - LSU, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Arizona state and that’s not counting other schools that haven’t even fired their coaches yet. This is a top 2 coaching candidate free agent in AMERICA and you guys think he’s just about to walk on campus and the only issue that could arise is if the university “screws it up”… What is USF gives him a new deal? You guys act like that’s not a possibility either …

You guys think that these schools or others aren’t going to overbid to make it seem like they are taking bball seriously? I mean cmon common sense isn’t too present these days on here. You guys don’t think a school is going to offer a few million more a year than cuse and think BH is gonna take a cuse discount because he really wants the job. It’s not even a known fact he wants the job. Also, Not counting the lower income tax rates on top of it for those other states. This guy has insane leverage right now
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Bingo.

The time to get Hodgson "on the cheap" was when USF did/last year... He's won their league this year and is now a quickly rising star/hot commodity... We'll need to pay to get him now.

The Cuse job may be a sweetener for him so we might be able to say, get him for a quarter mil lower than his best competing offer, but it's not gonna be a $1 or 2mil discount because he "wants" the cuse job.

So yeah...

To get Hodg:
  • Red's buyout (whatever that is??)
    +
  • Hodg's Buyout ($2mill to USF)
    +
  • Hodg's salary ($3-3.5 mill/year??)
    +
  • Assistants salaries
    +
  • Competitive NIL bag
Not sure on last 2, but the NIL bag will need to be in the realm of the competitor offerings also trying to hire him...

Anyways, all this is gonna add up fast... and to a large number for a rising star HC like Hodg...

I know many have said we have the new coach hire finances locked down and ready... I just fear our total in planned outlay falls short of what's needed now to get a coach like Hodg... Plus things for us are VERY fluid at the moment... What if Lyke comes in as AD and immediately slashes the finances for the hire in half or something, and we're immediately fishing in the Langel pool of lower tier mid-major hires??... or just opt to hire Hop on the cheap with whatever NIL bag Melo+friends can scrape together??... It would also explain why some of you ITKs are hearing lesser/tertiary tier coach names being considered that may be more underwhelming/cheaper as contingencies??

We have a lot balls in the air right now and things are fluid and could change really fast.
 
Is it a real possibility that if Hopkins is not the choice that Kiyan goes elsewhere and the Melo money goes with him?
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Maybe but I doubt Melo would pump in as much somewhere else
and SU needs to call his bluff and make a bona fide hire outside the family regardless with him not holding them hostage
 
pearl31 said:
but let's also consider that Hodgson is no sure thing, both in terms of getting him and of him succeeding here.
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Of course. Which also makes the whispered hubbub a little disconcerting. If the options are Hodgson, Hopkins, and Gerry, that also shows a too narrow a focus based on things other than basketball acumen. I would hope that there are a dozen real candidates who are evaluated on more than "do you have ties to the Syracuse area?"
 
Fly Rodder said:
Of course. Which also makes the whispered hubbub a little disconcerting. If the options are Hodgson, Hopkins, and Gerry, that also shows a too narrow a focus based on things other than basketball acumen. I would hope that there are a dozen real candidates who are evaluated on more than "do you have ties to the Syracuse area?"
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Exactly. I like Hodgson, but there's no reason not to talk to Schertz and a bunch of other guys. As Sherm said above, we will be either the top or one of the top openings this offseason. Let's do our due diligence and leave no stone unturned.
 
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RF2044 said:
I think it is even more basic than shooting the messenger.

After the University screwed the hire up so badly last time, blowing smoke about the reasons why Red was "the best" choice, many aren't receptive to another internal candidate being floated this time around -- ESPECIALLY given how similar the holes in MH's profile are to Red's.

We are in a precarious spot. We never should have made a continuity hire before, given how far the program had slipped, and the fact that a similar approach might [emphasis on "might"] be taken again has the fanbase justifyably nervous.
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Yeah could you imagine if they did a search in 2017 after the final four run what kind of candidates they would have had then too? I know hop was supposed to get the job then but goodness that’s where all this went wrong in my opinion
 
Bulldog04 said:
Yeah could you imagine if they did a search in 2017 after the final four run what kind of candidates they would have had then too? I know hop was supposed to get the job then but goodness that’s where all this went wrong in my opinion
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Hot take, you hire Bryan Hodgson, we will look back in a decade and say that this past decade 2016 from the Final Four to 2026 while not ideal was a blessing in disguise...
 
Bulldog04 said:
I don’t think there are many people here who are actually pushing for Hop. Do I love Hop the guy, of course… Do I think this is the right time for him, no way. I think a lot of people here think that because a few of us post information that we are in support of such information. All we are doing is sharing what’s going on. BH would be my pick
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Yes, I got the sense that you don’t think Hop should be the hire. But when you say you’re skeptical that Syracuse would be able to afford Hodgson or out-compete other schools for him, is that just your opinion? Or is it informed speculation based on inside information that you know? I think that’s what people may be wondering.
 
dasher said:
I'm reluctant. One, do they really need to hear form me on this. Two, I got pushback when I tried to bring AW back in the fold. Three. I think it will be BH and not Lyke. Why use up chips if I don't need to.
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We’re so back
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kingtidge said:
Bingo.

The time to get Hodgson "on the cheap" was when USF did/last year... He's won their league this year and is now a quickly rising star/hot commodity... We'll need to pay to get him now.

The Cuse job may be a sweetener for him so we might be able to say, get him for a quarter mil lower than his best competing offer, but it's not gonna be a $1 or 2mil discount because he "wants" the cuse job.

So yeah...

To get Hodg:
  • Red's buyout (whatever that is??)
    +
  • Hodg's Buyout ($2mill to USF)
    +
  • Hodg's salary ($3-3.5 mill/year??)
    +
  • Assistants salaries
    +
  • Competitive NIL bag
Not sure on last 2, but the NIL bag will need to be in the realm of the competitor offerings also trying to hire him...

Anyways, all this is gonna add up fast... and to a large number for a rising star HC like Hodg...

I know many have said we have the new coach hire finances locked down and ready... I just fear our total in planned outlay falls short of what's needed now to get a coach like Hodg... Plus things for us are VERY fluid at the moment... What if Lyke comes in as AD and immediately slashes the finances for the hire in half or something, and we're immediately fishing in the Langel pool of lower tier mid-major hires??... or just opt to hire Hop on the cheap with whatever NIL bag Melo+friends can scrape together??... It would also explain why some of you ITKs are hearing lesser/tertiary tier coach names being considered that may be more underwhelming/cheaper as contingencies??

We have a lot balls in the air right now and things are fluid and could change really fast.
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I thought Wildhack isn’t retiring until July 1. Won’t he have some say in the basketball coaching hire? I would assume his opinion would at least hold a lot of sway.
 
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I think I saw this posted before, but couldn't find it. Funny, the article was written yesterday, but that has been my top 4 for months now :-)
 
pearl31 said:
Kind of feel like what's being drowned out here is the position of:

Of course it should not be Hopkins or any other "family tree" hire, but let's also consider that Hodgson is no sure thing, both in terms of getting him and of him succeeding here.

I would hope that is the position the AD (current and to-be) is taking
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Of course Hodgson’s success would be no sure thing (everyone knows this), but in terms of coaches we could actually land, he and Schertz (and maybe Calhoun) would probably be the surest things out there. Schertz is #1 in my book. I mean, I guess some great, unexpected out of left field candidate could emerge from current P5 coaches, but I think that’s unlikely. And in terms of landing Hodge, read Cuse2023’s post, he says it’s well known amongst agents and ITKs that Hodgson wants the job. That’s the best news I’ve heard all day.
 
RedtheGOB said:
There's people over in the AD thread saying if it's the bad AD choice they'll never watch SU sports again. We got some dramatic folks here lately.
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It’s dramatic, but that is what happens when bad decisions have been made for a while in the basketball program. I’m not going to blame them for their anger. As fans they are either on edge and or have reduced interest already.

I’m more in the latter category (significantly reduced interest already for a handful of years now). I’m not going to give up watching the team entirely, but they are going to have earn my full interest level again.
 
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sufan59 said:
Hot take, you hire Bryan Hodgson, we will look back in a decade and say that this past decade 2016 from the Final Four to 2026 while not ideal was a blessing in disguise...
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Wandering in the desert for 10 years should never be framed in a positive light. Heck it shouldn't be framed in a black light, either.
 

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