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pearl31 said:
but let's also consider that Hodgson is no sure thing, both in terms of getting him and of him succeeding here.
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Of course. Which also makes the whispered hubbub a little disconcerting. If the options are Hodgson, Hopkins, and Gerry, that also shows a too narrow a focus based on things other than basketball acumen. I would hope that there are a dozen real candidates who are evaluated on more than "do you have ties to the Syracuse area?"
 
Fly Rodder said:
Of course. Which also makes the whispered hubbub a little disconcerting. If the options are Hodgson, Hopkins, and Gerry, that also shows a too narrow a focus based on things other than basketball acumen. I would hope that there are a dozen real candidates who are evaluated on more than "do you have ties to the Syracuse area?"
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Exactly. I like Hodgson, but there's no reason not to talk to Schertz and a bunch of other guys. As Sherm said above, we will be either the top or one of the top openings this offseason. Let's do our due diligence and leave no stone unturned.
 
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RF2044 said:
I think it is even more basic than shooting the messenger.

After the University screwed the hire up so badly last time, blowing smoke about the reasons why Red was "the best" choice, many aren't receptive to another internal candidate being floated this time around -- ESPECIALLY given how similar the holes in MH's profile are to Red's.

We are in a precarious spot. We never should have made a continuity hire before, given how far the program had slipped, and the fact that a similar approach might [emphasis on "might"] be taken again has the fanbase justifyably nervous.
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Yeah could you imagine if they did a search in 2017 after the final four run what kind of candidates they would have had then too? I know hop was supposed to get the job then but goodness that’s where all this went wrong in my opinion
 
Bulldog04 said:
Yeah could you imagine if they did a search in 2017 after the final four run what kind of candidates they would have had then too? I know hop was supposed to get the job then but goodness that’s where all this went wrong in my opinion
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Hot take, you hire Bryan Hodgson, we will look back in a decade and say that this past decade 2016 from the Final Four to 2026 while not ideal was a blessing in disguise...
 
Bulldog04 said:
I don’t think there are many people here who are actually pushing for Hop. Do I love Hop the guy, of course… Do I think this is the right time for him, no way. I think a lot of people here think that because a few of us post information that we are in support of such information. All we are doing is sharing what’s going on. BH would be my pick
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Yes, I got the sense that you don’t think Hop should be the hire. But when you say you’re skeptical that Syracuse would be able to afford Hodgson or out-compete other schools for him, is that just your opinion? Or is it informed speculation based on inside information that you know? I think that’s what people may be wondering.
 
dasher said:
I'm reluctant. One, do they really need to hear form me on this. Two, I got pushback when I tried to bring AW back in the fold. Three. I think it will be BH and not Lyke. Why use up chips if I don't need to.
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We’re so back
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kingtidge said:
Bingo.

The time to get Hodgson "on the cheap" was when USF did/last year... He's won their league this year and is now a quickly rising star/hot commodity... We'll need to pay to get him now.

The Cuse job may be a sweetener for him so we might be able to say, get him for a quarter mil lower than his best competing offer, but it's not gonna be a $1 or 2mil discount because he "wants" the cuse job.

So yeah...

To get Hodg:
  • Red's buyout (whatever that is??)
    +
  • Hodg's Buyout ($2mill to USF)
    +
  • Hodg's salary ($3-3.5 mill/year??)
    +
  • Assistants salaries
    +
  • Competitive NIL bag
Not sure on last 2, but the NIL bag will need to be in the realm of the competitor offerings also trying to hire him...

Anyways, all this is gonna add up fast... and to a large number for a rising star HC like Hodg...

I know many have said we have the new coach hire finances locked down and ready... I just fear our total in planned outlay falls short of what's needed now to get a coach like Hodg... Plus things for us are VERY fluid at the moment... What if Lyke comes in as AD and immediately slashes the finances for the hire in half or something, and we're immediately fishing in the Langel pool of lower tier mid-major hires??... or just opt to hire Hop on the cheap with whatever NIL bag Melo+friends can scrape together??... It would also explain why some of you ITKs are hearing lesser/tertiary tier coach names being considered that may be more underwhelming/cheaper as contingencies??

We have a lot balls in the air right now and things are fluid and could change really fast.
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I thought Wildhack isn’t retiring until July 1. Won’t he have some say in the basketball coaching hire? I would assume his opinion would at least hold a lot of sway.
 
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I think I saw this posted before, but couldn't find it. Funny, the article was written yesterday, but that has been my top 4 for months now :-)
 
pearl31 said:
Kind of feel like what's being drowned out here is the position of:

Of course it should not be Hopkins or any other "family tree" hire, but let's also consider that Hodgson is no sure thing, both in terms of getting him and of him succeeding here.

I would hope that is the position the AD (current and to-be) is taking
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Of course Hodgson’s success would be no sure thing (everyone knows this), but in terms of coaches we could actually land, he and Schertz (and maybe Calhoun) would probably be the surest things out there. Schertz is #1 in my book. I mean, I guess some great, unexpected out of left field candidate could emerge from current P5 coaches, but I think that’s unlikely. And in terms of landing Hodge, read Cuse2023’s post, he says it’s well known amongst agents and ITKs that Hodgson wants the job. That’s the best news I’ve heard all day.
 
RedtheGOB said:
There's people over in the AD thread saying if it's the bad AD choice they'll never watch SU sports again. We got some dramatic folks here lately.
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It’s dramatic, but that is what happens when bad decisions have been made for a while in the basketball program. I’m not going to blame them for their anger. As fans they are either on edge and or have reduced interest already.

I’m more in the latter category (significantly reduced interest already for a handful of years now). I’m not going to give up watching the team entirely, but they are going to have earn my full interest level again.
 
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sufan59 said:
Hot take, you hire Bryan Hodgson, we will look back in a decade and say that this past decade 2016 from the Final Four to 2026 while not ideal was a blessing in disguise...
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Wandering in the desert for 10 years should never be framed in a positive light. Heck it shouldn't be framed in a black light, either.
 
sufan59 said:
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Syracuse expected to make an AD hire before March 10th. The start of the ACC tournament. Norlander implores Syracuse to make an outside hire.
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"The Orange are in danger of falling entirely off the college basketball map after three unimportant seasons under Red Autry. Most everyone tasked with tracking the job market in college basketball expects this one to come open not just because SU again failed to meet program expectations, but a change in athletic director (with the hire to be determined before March 10, I'm told) has sparked reason to begin anew. Jim Boeheim's name and legacy still loom large here, but it's time to find a fresh face outside the Syracuse family in order to give the program a jolt, lest it risk becoming just another average power-conference team."
 
Gerry is not an option - partly due to Gerry making it known he has no interest in this job for various reasons, partly because TPTB cant really take him now when they barely considered him 3 years ago.
Makes them look really stupid for picking Red in the first place.
Sometimes seniority and optics should not trump who would actually do the best job.
JB wanted Gerry, maybe they should have listened to him if they were hell bent on an internal hire.

But in no way, shape or form should he be automatically discounted because he is part of the SU family.
He has done one hell of a job at Siena - and if he should get them to the NCAAT, it would be their first trip to the big dance since 2010. He got them to their first 20 win season in six years, 20 wins after only winning 4 games two years ago.

I personally find it offensive that he is being grouped with the bad coaching of Red, Hop and Hart.
He is not them and should be judged on what he has accomplished, not on being an SU alum.

I completely understand if many feel he doesn't have enough head coaching experience to succeed at the pressure cooker that will be SU basketball next year. This is a make it or break it year.
 
Bulldog04 said:
Yeah could you imagine if they did a search in 2017 after the final four run what kind of candidates they would have had then too? I know hop was supposed to get the job then but goodness that’s where all this went wrong in my opinion
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I love Mike Hopkins -- but thought he was a big risk to hire back in the ~2016 timeframe, and an even bigger risk now, seeing how his UW / NBA career has unfolded.

Back in 2015 / 2016, right before he left, I expressed concern about the state that our program was in [back then] and why hiring a completely unproven commodity was an unnecessary risk.

Then, Boeheim blew up the HCIW arrangement by not leaving, blocking some Hopkins recruits, and Mike left rather than continue to wait [which I think was the right move]. Started out like gangbusters at UW, but then followed a similar trajectory to how his career unfolded there as what we are seeing play out with Red. Namely, did better at the beginning with the roster he inherited, then quickly showed that he had nothing in his tool kit on either side of the ball, with particularly attrocious offense / poor shooting.

Is he the same exact head coach as Red? No -- I think Mike is probably "better," but unfortunately their limitations as head coaches are quite similar. Which should come as no surprise, given that they are destitute man's versions of the head coach that they played for / coached under.

No idea what things would have been like under MH in 2016 [just for example], if JB had actually stepped down. I do think that his recruiting contacts might have helped him at the beginning. Maybe things play out differently than they did at UW, when he got exposed.

Or maybe -- and more likely, IMO -- Hop would have struggled here, as well, because he has limited strategic acumen and a ceiling, based on the peter principle. Maybe he's just an outstanding AC, but not quite up to snuff as a HC. Millions of examples of that, across every sport, at all levels.

Personally, I think we dodged a bullet. And it opened my eyes about making "arrangements" instead of just evaluating the field and hiring the best candidate you can.

Wish that University representatives and prominent donors would stop trying to artificially manipulate the process to pursue their own self-interests, instead of letting due diligence be the determining factor.
 
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phil77 said:
"The Orange are in danger of falling entirely off the college basketball map after three unimportant seasons under Red Autry. Most everyone tasked with tracking the job market in college basketball expects this one to come open not just because SU again failed to meet program expectations, but a change in athletic director (with the hire to be determined before March 10, I'm told) has sparked reason to begin anew. Jim Boeheim's name and legacy still loom large here, but it's time to find a fresh face outside the Syracuse family in order to give the program a jolt, lest it risk becoming just another average power-conference team."
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Hopefully his source is the decision maker because this is what we're talking about!
 
phil77 said:
Jim Boeheim's name and legacy still loom large here, but it's time to find a fresh face outside the Syracuse family in order to give the program a jolt, lest it risk becoming just another average power-conference team."
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There has not been a single national media member who has gone to bat for Hop - it's all content like this, suggestive of a fresh start. The optics around hiring Hop would be a disaster.
 
Irishsecra1 said:
Gerry is not an option - partly due to Gerry making it known he has no interest in this job for various reasons, partly because TPTB cant really take him now when they barely considered him 3 years ago.
Makes them look really stupid for picking Red in the first place.
Sometimes seniority and optics should not trump who would actually do the best job.
JB wanted Gerry, maybe they should have listened to him if they were hell bent on an internal hire.

But in no way, shape or form should he be automatically discounted because he is part of the SU family.
He has done one hell of a job at Siena - and if he should get them to the NCAAT, it would be their first trip to the big dance since 2010. He got them to their first 20 win season in six years, 20 wins after only winning 4 games two years ago.

I personally find it offensive that he is being grouped with the bad coaching of Red, Hop and Hart.
He is not them and should be judged on what he has accomplished, not on being an SU alum.

I completely understand if many feel he doesn't have enough head coaching experience to succeed at the pressure cooker that will be SU basketball next year. This is a make it or break it year.
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at this point I really have to ask, are you a family member?
 
pearl31 said:
at this point I really have to ask, are you a family member?
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Graduated from SU in 1996. Lived in this area all my life.
Football season ticket holder since 1997, Basketball for the last 2 years.
Ironically, our bad Red seasons got me incredible basketball seats in 309.
Been a fan of SU basketball since Roy's Runts when my dad and I would watch games on the TV.
 
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