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Coach Search Options after Autry


Syracuse expected to make an AD hire before March 10th. The start of the ACC tournament. Norlander implores Syracuse to make an outside hire.

"The Orange are in danger of falling entirely off the college basketball map after three unimportant seasons under Red Autry. Most everyone tasked with tracking the job market in college basketball expects this one to come open not just because SU again failed to meet program expectations, but a change in athletic director (with the hire to be determined before March 10, I'm told) has sparked reason to begin anew. Jim Boeheim's name and legacy still loom large here, but it's time to find a fresh face outside the Syracuse family in order to give the program a jolt, lest it risk becoming just another average power-conference team."
 
Gerry is not an option - partly due to Gerry making it known he has no interest in this job for various reasons, partly because TPTB cant really take him now when they barely considered him 3 years ago.
Makes them look really stupid for picking Red in the first place.
Sometimes seniority and optics should not trump who would actually do the best job.
JB wanted Gerry, maybe they should have listened to him if they were hell bent on an internal hire.

But in no way, shape or form should he be automatically discounted because he is part of the SU family.
He has done one hell of a job at Siena - and if he should get them to the NCAAT, it would be their first trip to the big dance since 2010. He got them to their first 20 win season in six years, 20 wins after only winning 4 games two years ago.

I personally find it offensive that he is being grouped with the bad coaching of Red, Hop and Hart.
He is not them and should be judged on what he has accomplished, not on being an SU alum.

I completely understand if many feel he doesn't have enough head coaching experience to succeed at the pressure cooker that will be SU basketball next year. This is a make it or break it year.
 
Yeah could you imagine if they did a search in 2017 after the final four run what kind of candidates they would have had then too? I know hop was supposed to get the job then but goodness that’s where all this went wrong in my opinion

I love Mike Hopkins -- but thought he was a big risk to hire back in the ~2016 timeframe, and an even bigger risk now, seeing how his UW / NBA career has unfolded.

Back in 2015 / 2016, right before he left, I expressed concern about the state that our program was in [back then] and why hiring a completely unproven commodity was an unnecessary risk.

Then, Boeheim blew up the HCIW arrangement by not leaving, blocking some Hopkins recruits, and Mike left rather than continue to wait [which I think was the right move]. Started out like gangbusters at UW, but then followed a similar trajectory to how his career unfolded there as what we are seeing play out with Red. Namely, did better at the beginning with the roster he inherited, then quickly showed that he had nothing in his tool kit on either side of the ball, with particularly attrocious offense / poor shooting.

Is he the same exact head coach as Red? No -- I think Mike is probably "better," but unfortunately their limitations as head coaches are quite similar. Which should come as no surprise, given that they are destitute man's versions of the head coach that they played for / coached under.

No idea what things would have been like under MH in 2016 [just for example], if JB had actually stepped down. I do think that his recruiting contacts might have helped him at the beginning. Maybe things play out differently than they did at UW, when he got exposed.

Or maybe -- and more likely, IMO -- Hop would have struggled here, as well, because he has limited strategic acumen and a ceiling, based on the peter principle. Maybe he's just an outstanding AC, but not quite up to snuff as a HC. Millions of examples of that, across every sport, at all levels.

Personally, I think we dodged a bullet. And it opened my eyes about making "arrangements" instead of just evaluating the field and hiring the best candidate you can.

Wish that University representatives and prominent donors would stop trying to artificially manipulate the process to pursue their own self-interests, instead of letting due diligence be the determining factor.
 
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"The Orange are in danger of falling entirely off the college basketball map after three unimportant seasons under Red Autry. Most everyone tasked with tracking the job market in college basketball expects this one to come open not just because SU again failed to meet program expectations, but a change in athletic director (with the hire to be determined before March 10, I'm told) has sparked reason to begin anew. Jim Boeheim's name and legacy still loom large here, but it's time to find a fresh face outside the Syracuse family in order to give the program a jolt, lest it risk becoming just another average power-conference team."
Hopefully his source is the decision maker because this is what we're talking about!
 
Jim Boeheim's name and legacy still loom large here, but it's time to find a fresh face outside the Syracuse family in order to give the program a jolt, lest it risk becoming just another average power-conference team."
There has not been a single national media member who has gone to bat for Hop - it's all content like this, suggestive of a fresh start. The optics around hiring Hop would be a disaster.
 
Gerry is not an option - partly due to Gerry making it known he has no interest in this job for various reasons, partly because TPTB cant really take him now when they barely considered him 3 years ago.
Makes them look really stupid for picking Red in the first place.
Sometimes seniority and optics should not trump who would actually do the best job.
JB wanted Gerry, maybe they should have listened to him if they were hell bent on an internal hire.

But in no way, shape or form should he be automatically discounted because he is part of the SU family.
He has done one hell of a job at Siena - and if he should get them to the NCAAT, it would be their first trip to the big dance since 2010. He got them to their first 20 win season in six years, 20 wins after only winning 4 games two years ago.

I personally find it offensive that he is being grouped with the bad coaching of Red, Hop and Hart.
He is not them and should be judged on what he has accomplished, not on being an SU alum.

I completely understand if many feel he doesn't have enough head coaching experience to succeed at the pressure cooker that will be SU basketball next year. This is a make it or break it year.
at this point I really have to ask, are you a family member?
 
at this point I really have to ask, are you a family member?
Graduated from SU in 1996. Lived in this area all my life.
Football season ticket holder since 1997, Basketball for the last 2 years.
Ironically, our bad Red seasons got me incredible basketball seats in 309.
Been a fan of SU basketball since Roy's Runts when my dad and I would watch games on the TV.
 
I thought Wildhack isn’t retiring until July 1. Won’t he have some say in the basketball coaching hire? I would assume his opinion would at least hold a lot of sway.

Others reporting new AD will be announced and in place in 1-2 weeks...

Which would make sense... No coach we want to hire wants to wonder going in who their boss will be...
It's an unknown/con without an AD in place...
 
An AD announcement would be very beneficial to getting a good coach decision made.
And, it will help even more if there is a new Chancellor announced tomorrow per other threads.
 
Gerry is not an option - partly due to Gerry making it known he has no interest in this job for various reasons, partly because TPTB cant really take him now when they barely considered him 3 years ago.
Makes them look really stupid for picking Red in the first place.
Sometimes seniority and optics should not trump who would actually do the best job.
JB wanted Gerry, maybe they should have listened to him if they were hell bent on an internal hire.

But in no way, shape or form should he be automatically discounted because he is part of the SU family.
He has done one hell of a job at Siena - and if he should get them to the NCAAT, it would be their first trip to the big dance since 2010. He got them to their first 20 win season in six years, 20 wins after only winning 4 games two years ago.

I personally find it offensive that he is being grouped with the bad coaching of Red, Hop and Hart.
He is not them and should be judged on what he has accomplished, not on being an SU alum.

I completely understand if many feel he doesn't have enough head coaching experience to succeed at the pressure cooker that will be SU basketball next year. This is a make it or break it year.
Gmac has proved nothing other than he’s a decent coach. We’ll see how he does the next few years. He’s just not ready for the SU job yet. Honestly, his offense doesn’t look much better than Red’s. But the idea that Gerry has no interest in the job or wouldn’t take the job if offered is laughable. Of course he would. Maybe he’s staying on the sidelines to allow Hop to make a play for it. Who knows. But neither guy should get the job at this point in time.
 
Graduated from SU in 1996. Lived in this area all my life.
Football season ticket holder since 1997, Basketball for the last 2 years.
Ironically, our bad Red seasons got me incredible basketball seats in 309.
Been a fan of SU basketball since Roy's Runts when my dad and I would watch games on the TV.

...you didn't say, "No"
 
With no chancellor in place and an AD hire imminent but not yet selected. I realize all my time wasted on this thread has been for nothing. Whomever AD is especially, may have very different ideas on what they want in the BB coach their name is going to be tied to.
 
To be fair, the majority of that old guard, including the old fanbase, admins, staff and players are the only reason there are such high expectations currently for this program. SU would probably love to accept the new generation of tech billionaires, influencers etc to be full SU boosters and help finance this new landscape they promote and talk about but needs much more money to excel in.
Yeah that’s what makes it even harder IMHO I definitely agree.
 
I don't know about that if the 30 million is for real. And by that I mean, it may not be the worst hire in any sport in a long time. As a Giant fan, Joe Judge comes to mind.
As a jets fans I would really be stuck in a pit deciding if Gase or this would be worse. But if you combo it with Lyke it’s gotta be worse….. leave me in the hole I’m stuck with Aaron Glenn anyway….
 
With no chancellor in place and an AD hire imminent but not yet selected. I realize all my time wasted on this thread has been for nothing. Whomever AD is especially, may have very different ideas on what they want in the BB coach their name is going to be tied to.
No. It's the Chancellor hire that is imminent - as in tomorrow. The AD will follow. The AD will NOT have unilateral decision making power in who the new HC will be.
 

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