Coach Search Options after Autry

[kingtidge]

This is where I'm coming from. Gerry was Jim's pick to succeed him as head coach. So why did the school essentially ignore Boeheim's wishes and hire Red instead? It seemed at the time, and now still, to be deliberately disrespectful. The team this year hasn't lost because they're not talented. It's because of coaching. I know people on here don't want to hear it but Jim was right.

What exactly did JAB do to set GMAC up to be his successor?

What didn't he do?

And yes, going full bull-in-the-china-shop on your retirement exit followed by a rubberstamp decree that GMAC be your heir was not exactly the best way to make his case... This is the Hill we're talking about and some tact and political maneuvering was required to get that done and he knew that better than anyone. If he really wanted Gerry and put in the required effort needed for that, I am believe he could have made that happen.

 

[007]

Am I the only one thinking it's weird that he's not even facing him when telling him the news?

Probably

 

[Irishsecra1]

What exactly did JAB do to set GMAC up to be his successor?

What didn't he do?

And yes, going full bull-in-the-china-shop on your retirement exit followed by a rubberstamp decree that GMAC be your heir was not exactly the best way to make his case... This is the Hill we're talking about and some tact and political maneuvering was required to get that done and he knew that better than anyone. If he really wanted Gerry and put in the required effort needed for that, I am believe he could have made that happen.

I believe he truly wanted Gerry but was too stubborn and entitled to put in the needed effort to make it happen.

 

[kingtidge]

I wanted him to come here based on the Melo connection, but after seeing him play this season I won't be upset if he goes somewhere else. I do think he has the ability to end up as a pretty good player. I am just not sure how quick I think that happens.

Losing Melo's kid should be more painful, but we have lost Syracuse basketball. Reviving that will always come first.

How this season played out was always in the cards and a high probability potential result... We all knew that going in (even Melo did.)

Melo and and Kiyan are collateral damage from a program shift perspective. It is what it is.

Not what you like to see, but rebuilding the program is bigger than any one player...

 

[kingtidge]

I believe he truly wanted Gerry but was too stubborn and entitled to put in the needed effort to make it happen.

On that we agree. I would add some lazy/half-assed to stubborn and entitled, if we're being honest. I would guess he'd like a mulligan on his exit if he could get one, and setting up GMAC better is prolly part of that.

 

[23Zone]

We better hire BH and not screw this up

 

[007]

I believe he truly wanted Gerry but was too stubborn and entitled to put in the needed effort to make it happen.

I doubt it had anything to do with being "too stubborn and entitled." JB did not want to retire when he was "retired." The promotion from within JB's staff was more about politics on the Hill and far less about accommodating who JB wanted as his successor.

 

[djorange1989]

If you cant tell he has “it” then I dont know what to tell ya

Yep he’s Fran but with a head coaching track record coming in here(if he comes here, pretty please make it happen)

 

[Ozone!]

What exactly did JAB do to set GMAC up to be his successor?

What didn't he do?

And yes, going full bull-in-the-china-shop on your retirement exit followed by a rubberstamp decree that GMAC be your heir was not exactly the best way to make his case... This is the Hill we're talking about and some tact and political maneuvering was required to get that done and he knew that better than anyone. If he really wanted Gerry and put in the required effort needed for that, I am believe he could have made that happen.

One of the things he did was to give GMAC loads to time to speak to the media and Gerry is way better than Red in that area!

 

[kingtidge]

One of the things he did was to give GMAC loads to time to speak to the media and Gerry is way better than Red in that area!

no question about that.

 

[kingtidge]

I doubt it had anything to do with being "too stubborn and entitled." JB did not want to retire when he was "retired." The promotion from within JB's staff was more about politics on the Hill and far less about accommodating who JB wanted as his successor.

My point is they were linked... JB didn't like the exit process and grumped his way out with it and didn't set up preferred successor adequately, because of that.

 

[CooperCuse]

I doubt it had anything to do with being "too stubborn and entitled." JB did not want to retire when he was "retired." The promotion from within JB's staff was more about politics on the Hill and far less about accommodating who JB wanted as his successor.

I honestly think the university, and whatever egos existed in the administration, wanted to distance themselves from Boeheim's legacy after forcing him out. Choosing Red makes it look like they tried to respect the coaching lineage but it actually did the opposite because they deliberately snubbed Jim's choice of successor. It was a slight against Jim for whatever selfish political reasons existed at the time. University administrators aren't exactly known for making fair decisions.

 

[Ggaenzle]

Hodgson could say anything and we’d all being going nuts for it

 

[Orangezoo]

Hodgson could say anything and we’d all being going nuts for it

Not at all- he’s a leader and commands the room with how he approaches things. It stands out and it shows up with what he gets from his kids on the court including that they all show up as leaders on the court too.

 

[hoopsupstate]

If Hodgson is the next coach, Kiyan will need to go out for the cross country team in the fall because he needs to learn how to run.

 

[Orangezoo]

If Hodgson is the next coach, Kiyan will need to go out for the cross country team in the fall because he needs to learn how to run.

You get enough $$ for BH to do what he wants and then start seeing a winning product with the swagger this program used to have and the personnel concerns go away and you get everyone re interested with being a part of things. Winning can cure a lot of ills. If relationships and politics matter more than success so be it. If a real chance to pack the dome and be part of this program with some real juice isn’t worth it over those relationships then it was never going to be worth it.

Look at the talent that sits at the G league level right now. There aren’t that many freaks in the NBA who don’t have to put the same amount of work in to make it.

 

[Sherman20]

For real. I usually go by what my parents think about the coach to get an idea what the randoms think.

When my 70 year old mother says GMac over Hopkins by a mile that's where I think most of the fanbase is. They don't understand anything beyond that for who's available.

If it's an outside hire they won't care until they see the new guy talking or winning next year.

Overall though they care about the players more anyway.

Gmac was a poor recruiter when he was here. Hop wins that aspect of the job, including player acquisition, by a country mile. Hop is also known as a guy who has developed players and made them better. Gmac has also shown that ability, albeit for less years. Hop is way more charismatic and dynamic, though Gmac has shown strong leadership ability. As for motivation and team building, I’d say both if them are equal in that area. But I don’t think either has shown much in terms of a modern offensive and defensive vision and schemes, so that’s a wash. They’re both from the JB factory of stale product. I don’t get all the obsession for Gmac as head coach, other than him being an SU alum. (Hop, too, it goes without saying.) Either would be a terrible choice to lead the program at this pivotal point.

I’m rooting for him to succeed, but why can’t we just let him grow and develop and get better at Siena and then hopefully move up to an A-10 job and do well there?

 

[Irishsecra1]

Just out of curiosity, how many have watched Siena in the MAAC tournament?
His team does not look like the SU teams of the past 5 years.
They play smothering defense, actually have ball movement, have not one but 2 oncourt leaders and their best player routinely goes to the floor for loose balls.
The only thing that resembles SU is playing only 7 players.
But that is because with multiple injuries they only have 7 scholarship players.

Win or lose they are fun to watch, like SU used to be.
And what I believe USF is currently.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Then why didn't Jim make Gerry the Associate Head Coach? Surely, he knew how that would factor in to the transition.

JB didn't think he'd be leaving any time soon.

 

[pearl31]

Just out of curiosity, how many have watched Siena in the MAAC tournament?
His team does not look like the SU teams of the past 5 years.
They play smothering defense, actually have ball movement, have not one but 2 oncourt leaders and their best player routinely goes to the floor for loose balls.
The only thing that resembles SU is playing only 7 players.
But that is because with multiple injuries they only have 7 scholarship players.

Win or lose they are fun to watch, like SU used to be.
And what I believe USF is currently.

you mean gerry's team?!?!

 

[FloridaCuse]

No Kiyan today, officially out. Methinks he has played his last game in Orange. Not that it matters now anyway. Best of luck to him.

If I had to guess he may be playing 3-4 different jerseys before his college career is over...

He wants to start and have something built around him. That's not here.

If true, would that mean no Hop?

 

[phil77]

Just out of curiosity, how many have watched Siena in the MAAC tournament?
His team does not look like the SU teams of the past 5 years.
They play smothering defense, actually have ball movement, have not one but 2 oncourt leaders and their best player routinely goes to the floor for loose balls.
The only thing that resembles SU is playing only 7 players.
But that is because with multiple injuries they only have 7 scholarship players.

Win or lose they are fun to watch, like SU used to be.
And what I believe USF is currently.

I have watched many of his games

 

[Ggaenzle]

Not at all- he’s a leader and commands the room with how he approaches things. It stands out and it shows up with what he gets from his kids on the court including that they all show up as leaders on the court too.

100% agree

 

[23Zone]

Hodgson could say anything and we’d all being going nuts for it

 

[007]

I honestly think the university, and whatever egos existed in the administration, wanted to distance themselves from Boeheim's legacy after forcing him out. Choosing Red makes it look like they tried to respect the coaching lineage but it actually did the opposite because they deliberately snubbed Jim's choice of successor. It was a slight against Jim for whatever selfish political reasons existed at the time. University administrators aren't exactly known for making fair decisions.

Believe whatever you want. But, the decision to promote from within was a shortsighted attempt to honor JB's legacy.