Coach Search Options after Autry

[phil77]

This isn't about GMAC per se, but I agree 100% with what you're saying. Brian.

It is not compelling to hear things like:

• "...nobody wants to win more than this guy..."
• "...he bleeds orange..."
• "...he gets his players to play hard..."
• "...he coaches with passion..."

At this point, with our program on a significant multi-year trend of decline, I'd rather focus on more tangible evaluative criteria. But that's just me.

I think you need to go back and watch tapes of him as a player. He is a winner his entire life.

 

[BigNastyJon]

This thread is a nice reminder that I need a faw king life.

 

[Briancuse]

I think you need to go back and watch tapes of him as a player. He is a winner his entire life.

No one is debating his credentials as a player. His playing career is over we are looking for the best coach we can get.

 

[pearl31]

mean nothing in the end.

know what does mean a hell of a lot in the end? Having your overmatched/undermanned 16seed team in a position to beat the 1seed

 

[RF2044]

No one is debating his credentials as a player. His playing career is over we are looking for the best coach we can get.

Phil was being sarcastic.

 

[MSOrange]

This isn't about GMAC per se, but I agree 100% with what you're saying. Brian.

It is not compelling to hear things like:

• "...nobody wants to win more than this guy..."
• "...he bleeds orange..."
• "...he gets his players to play hard..."
• "...he coaches with passion..."

At this point, with our program on a significant multi-year trend of decline, I'd rather focus on more tangible evaluative criteria. But that's just me.

But that would break the 10 year stretch of letting emotion-based decision making rule the program. Seems risky to me!

 

[Irishsecra1]

Coaching with passion isn't enough. You have to win.

Wherever Gerry has been, where he had a measure of control, he has won.
As a high school legend, as a college national champion player and as the head coach of Siena, he has won.
He had no control at Syracuse, they ran the offense and defense Jim wanted. Gerry had no power to change any of that. Jim and then Red had to sign off on recruits whether Gerry believed in them or not. He didn’t have the power to override their decisions.
Look at Doty, Gerry recruited him and Red said no, it would be a waste of a scholarship.
What a dumb ass decision that turned out to be.

Gerry gave an interview a year or so ago where he recounted how Doty was his first recruit for Siena. How he knew this was the kid who could tie it all together- incredible work ethic, leadership on the court, never surrender attitude and good basketball ability that would improve each year. He was right on all counts but Red didn’t trust his judgment. One of many reasons Gerry went out on his own.

 

[CuseBlood44]

Prepping myself for a surprise similar to the AD selection. Thus, a name I havent seen mentioned in this thread yet.

Schertz, BH, GMac, Martelli Jr, Skinn, Murray, K Young, Otz, Hopkins, Groce, Steele, Gallo, Olen, Langel, James Jones.

Is there ANY chance it is someone not listed? (I likely also missed a name or 3 that should be listed).

To cover our bases: Calhoun, TJO, Few, Oats, Sha, Kyle Smith, Byington

 

[Briancuse]

Wherever Gerry has been, where he had a measure of control, he has won.
As a high school legend, as a college national champion player and as the head coach of Siena, he has won.
He had no control at Syracuse, they ran the offense and defense Jim wanted. Gerry had no power to change any of that. Jim and then Red had to sign off on recruits whether Gerry believed in them or not. He didn’t have the power to override their decisions.
Look at Doty, Gerry recruited him and Red said no, it would be a waste of a scholarship.
What a dumb ass decision that turned out to be.

Is gmac the best possible coach out there?

 

[phil77]

As a high school legend, as a college national champion player

Exactly you can't discount what he did as a player in high school. That is massive.

 

[RF2044]

Exactly you can't discount what he did as a player in high school. That is massive.

But did he bleed orange in high school????

I am totally kidding, I'm not trying to bash McNamara.

 

[pearl31]

My sarcasm is so potent it's invisible and also why can't we just hire my preferred candidate already

 

[Cappy3]

He’s had a number of these “one games” this year hasn’t he?

Not against anyone good.

 

[CA Monk]

This isn't about GMAC per se, but I agree 100% with what you're saying. Brian.

It is not compelling to hear things like:

• "...nobody wants to win more than this guy..."
• "...he bleeds orange..."
• "...he gets his players to play hard..."
• "...he coaches with passion..."

At this point, with our program on a significant multi-year trend of decline, I'd rather focus on more tangible evaluative criteria. But that's just me.

Yes we all want to win (just win baby), but in the absence of those bullet points you probably can't get to many victories and there's even more to bitch about. They're kind of a prerequisite and not seen lately at the Dome except maybe bullet point #2.

 

[phil77]

Just imagine if Red beat Houston, we would never have started this thread. Close losses are important and show you are a true winner

 

[oddo033]

know what does mean a hell of a lot in the end? Having your overmatched/undermanned 16seed team in a position to beat the 1seed

he was spotted a 13 point lead with 17 minutes left. You can justify it all you want but that was a choke job. There were ways to make quick subs to give his main players a quick blow( plan a sub when a tv timeout is about to come to give them a few minutes off)

With that all being said, if we hire a head coach based off of one good half of basketball, they might as well end the program. There is 0 justification to hire him other than he was a great player here. Other coaches have pulled major upsets. Are we looking to hire them?

Other coaches played with passion and won championships, are we trying to hire Bob Hurley? I’m sad this is even a real conversation we have to have.

 

[granthath9]

My sarcasm is so potent it's invisible and also why can't we just hire my preferred candidate already

Maybe because he’s not the most qualified coach they have available to them.

 

[pearl31]

I'm the snarkiest snarkmaster in town!

 

[Cusefan69]

It's just a tool, like any other.

 

[Cuseregular]

I think you need to go back and watch tapes of him as a player. He is a winner his entire life.

Yep I’ve noticed the analytical stats driven types (you) seem to minimize/don’t take into account the huge importance of the emotion’s factor(s) importance, while the emotional driven underemphasize the vital importance of analytics factors and how they need to fit in.

Good leaders/decision makers, The smart ones weigh all the above and decide accordingly. I think, with little evidence - just a gut hunch - that BB will be that guy who weighs all those variables and come to a good decision.

 

[RF2044]

Yes we all want to win (just win baby), but in the absence of those bullet points you probably can't get to many victories and there's even more to bitch about. They're kind of a prerequisite and not seen lately at the Dome except maybe bullet point #2.

The problem is, those were the same dumbass points that people brought up about the last hire. And it was total rationalization, to cover up the fact that the guy did not have other qualifications suitable for the job.

I've already stated this multiple times, so apologies for repeating myself. But this week has shifted me from a complete hell no to making another internal hire, to being uncertain about whether Mac and America can get the job done. I know that doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement, but it's a pretty significant shift for me. And there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that he is a better Coach than Red.

The problem is, that is an incredibly low bar. And the same group think phenomena that happened last time when was hired. Seems to be taking root again. Now, I acknowledged above that. I think McNamara is a better coach than red will ever be, and he might have a much higher ceiling. But that's not a given, I'm not sure.

And I'm also not sure whether it's a risk or program can afford to take at this time.

So as long as the new athletic director recognizes that his his time at Sue is going to be defined by this basketball hire, and does appropriate due diligence, I'll be fine with the result. But if at the end of the day people are still talking about how Scrappy he is, how he bleeds, orange, etc. I think there's going to be a significant portion of the fan base that is not just going to be skeptical, but also very frustrated.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Is gmac the best possible coach out there?

For right now, in this moment, for what we can realistically pay, I think so.
But if they can pull it together for Schertz, he deserves everyone’s support if he is named coach.

 

[pearl31]

See, the real art to it is framing it (over and over and over again) as a simple matter of choosing one candidate or the other

 

[Briancuse]

For right now, in this moment, for what we can realistically pay, I think so.
But if they can pull it together for Schertz, he deserves everyone’s support if he is named coach.

It's been said we had an influx of money recently.

 

[phil77]

Yep I’ve noticed the analytical stats driven types (you) seem to minimize/don’t take into account the huge importance of the emotion’s factor(s) importance, while the emotional driven underemphasize the vital importance of analytics factors and how they need to fit in.

The smart ones weigh all the above and decide accordingly. I think, with little evidence - just a gut hunch - that BB will be that guy who weighs all those variables and come to a good decision.

Emotional decisions rarely work out for the best. When making decisions that involve millions of dollars, you can't let emotions take over. You have to analyze the best options and make a decision without factoring in your emotions.

Emotions are how we ended up with JB staying long
Emotions are how we ended up with Red
Emotions are how we will end up with GMac

All our basketball decision the last decade have been made with emotion, and look where it has gotten us.