Coach Search Options after Autry

[Cheriehoop]

What % of the shots do the BoT call?
80? 50? 100?

I imagine but don’t actually know that the university’s biggest boosters would be the main way the admin would know if they can reach the guaranteed $ that a candidate coach wants for NIL.

 

[MSOrange]

I imagine but don’t actually know that the university’s biggest boosters would be the main way the admin would know if they can reach the guaranteed $ that a candidate coach wants for NIL.

I imagine that's exactly how it works and that's how it sounds like it worked at Siena. The AD knew who to call to get the money that GMac requested.

 

[Cstate]

I imagine that's exactly how it works and that's how it sounds like it worked at Siena. The AD knew who to call to get the money that GMac requested.

That is 100% correct. Obviously on a much smaller scale, but as I stated last year, one of my good friends is extremely close to former UAlbany coach Will Brown. Will told my buddy that Gmac is Siena’s first choice but he demanded a certain amount of money for NIL. Apparently Siena asked for a select number of days (not sure the exact number) to figure out if they can meet that demand. During those few days, Will told my buddy that he might get the Siena job out of default IF Siena couldn’t get the money secured. How wild is that?!

 

[Cheriehoop]

IDK who really has the answer to this rather, let's just say, astounding, business model. The premise is quite remarkable, with the sustainability, etc. being very unpredictable.

Imagine being a multi-million dollar business where you, rather incredulously, get your customers (fans, businesses, etc.) to 'buy in' to paying for your employee's raises, promotions, cost of doing business, etc. Mind you, this is in addition to your aforementioned customers buying your main product, etc. And, also contributing to your revenue stream by purchasing novelties, memorabilia, concessions, parking, etc., etc. Moreover, and perhaps the most, let's just say, fascinating, is you get to keep 100% of it for yourself, no dividends, or the like to worry/paying out whatsoever. Now, that's quite the business model.

Crazy world isn’t it? I like most people wonder how sustainable over time it is. Seems like it’s a way to knock out competition outwardly to prove the rich get richer strategy.

 

[MSOrange]

That is 100% correct. Obviously on a much smaller scale, but as I stated last year, one of my good friends is extremely close to former UAlbany coach Will Brown. Will told my buddy that Gmac is Siena’s first choice but he demanded a certain amount of money for NIL. Apparently Siena asked for a select number of days (not sure the exact number) to figure out if they can meet that demand. During those few days, Will told my buddy that he might get the Siena job out of default IF Siena couldn’t get the money secured. How wild is that?!

Thanks! I remember some of those details now and it could very well have been from you posting at that time. I couldn't remember if it was from the board or news articles that I remembered some of that info.

 

[Newhouser]

Who do you think should pay? Come on be specific. The University is providing $20 million which is the legal amount agreed upon for each university. Who then pays for NIL in your world that differs from the current sources that makes sense? You can criticize the reality in this new collegiate sports world but then what is your answer? I haven’t heard any solutions nor options in the posts if you don’t think fans, corps, or businesses is the answer.

The 20 million doesn't all come from the University though right? What is the breakdown of that coming from the school directly?

 

[Ringostar57]

College sports now come with a price, a price not that many are willing to pay.

 

[longtimefan]

I don’t think there’s all that much to understand. He had no HC experience, he was on a declining staff and seemingly had no competing offers. You don’t need to be a top flight sport agent to see that is a situation where Syracuse should’ve gotten
an absolute steal and the ability to make a clean break.

How do you know they didn't get a great deal? What we read on this board is 95% speculation, despite the confident, declarative tone of some. We just don't know.

 

[Blanko97]

How do you know they didn't get a great deal? What we read on this board is 95% speculation, despite the confident, declarative tone of some. We just don't know.

He’s getting paid at least 2.2M assuming no escalator clause, that’s not a great deal considering the results. Probably could’ve paid him 1M less and he still would’ve taken the job as he had no where else to go.

 

[Cheriehoop]

The 20 million doesn't all come from the University though right? What is the breakdown of that coming from the school directly?

That’s my understanding - it’s all the University’s responsibility.

From AI

• Revenue Sharing Cap: For 2025-26, schools can pay up to
  
  
  
  $20.5
  million to athletes. This is not a mandatory minimum for all schools, but a maximum threshold, with the amount expected to increase by ~4% annually.
• Direct Compensation: The funds are intended for direct payments to athletes, separate from scholarships and NIL

 

[Newhouser]

That’s my understanding - it’s all the University’s responsibility.

From AI

• Revenue Sharing Cap: For 2025-26, schools can pay up to
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  $20.5
  million to athletes. This is not a mandatory minimum for all schools, but a maximum threshold, with the amount expected to increase by ~4% annually.
• Direct Compensation: The funds are intended for direct payments to athletes, separate from scholarships and NIL

Right but that cash comes from a donor or donors not a university fund. Doesn't really matter I guess as my point has always been that number is not sustainable for us and many others.

 

[RF2044]

if they can afford it, to get better coaches and players.

Indirectly, they do through ticket sales and gate proceeds. When the program is successful, the dollars flow in. That's what pays for coach's salaries.

 

[atlanticuse]

College sports now come with a price, a price not that many are willing to pay.

Look at the ROI on Red and his NIL

 

[RF2044]

You need NIL to get the players so you can win though.

I don't think this is 100% true. There are lots of successful programs at all level, that are coached well, where the players execute properly, that run effective systems on both sides of the ball, without being in the top 20 for nil proceeds.

Besides, I don't think us trying to trend towards the top of a college hoops arms race is going to work out well for a small school with a relatively small alumni base. Is nil important? Absolutely. And we need to have enough resources to at least be competitive. But our most likely path to success is going to be to have good systems and recruiting good system fits first, supplemented by NIL spending.

Not just to go full-on for reagency and try to buy a team, offset horrendous coaching, like what we did last off season (to no avail, I might add,).

It's time to stop managing around the dysfunction, bring in a decent coach, and see what happens when players are taught the game and coached properly.

 

[rrlbees]

Indirectly, they do through ticket sales and gate proceeds. When the program is successful, the dollars flow in. That's what pays for coach's salaries.

I’m not talking about a coaches salary. Although many. Roaches get part of their salary from booster organizations. We’re talking NIL.

 

[RF2044]

I’m not talking about a coaches salary. Although many. Roaches get part of their salary from booster organizations. We’re talking NIL.

In the post of yours I responded to, you indicated that we need more NIL resources to get better players and coaches.

It was the second part I was responding to.

 

[rrlbees]

In the post of yours I responded to, you indicated that we need more and I'll resources to get better players and coaches.

It was the second part I was responding to.

And I’m talking NIL. One of the first thing a coach will ask is how much NIL will be available. See the Siena/Gmac story above. Even at that level.

 

[RF2044]

And I’m talking NIL. One of the first thing a coach will ask is how much NIL will be available. See the Siena/Gmac story above. Even at that level.

Alternate perspective: my opinion is that any confident coach is going to think that they are going to turn things around. And given that the program has been on the downturn, it isn't reasonable to think that we're going to be at the top of our game in terms of NIL funding. Any up and coming coach is going to come in here with an insane amount of confidence in their capabilities, believing that they have what it takes to improve performance, drive ticket sales upward, increase fan base engagement and support, which will in turn lead to increased NIL and much higher ticket / gate proceeds to further help feed the beast.

I don't think it is going to be the other way around, where a coach is going to demand the NIL money up front, and decline on that basis alone. I think it is much more likely that someone's going to look at our tradition, see that we have the biggest arena in collegiate basketball, and have an insane amount of confidence in their ability to pack the dome and turn things around. That doesn't mean that our opportunity is for EVERYBODY, or that there might be some coaches who would eschew the northeast out of preference for jobs in other parts of the country.

But I'm guessing that any candidate with the chops might look at the current state, see that we're in the top 5 in NIL within the ACC conference, and think that they can work with that by providing a better on-court product than what we're seeing under Autry. There's more than one way to skin a cat; out-spending everybody in terms of NIL is one strategy, but it is CERTAINLY NOT the only way to be successful.

I think people get locked into these false dichotomies of only being black and white, A versus B, when the answer is probably in the middle:

If a coach can build it, the fans will come. And so will NIL $$$'s.

 

[Tip Hill]

Time for Syracuse University to step up and financially support its N$L if it wants to become a big time competitor in college sports.

 

[wiCuse]

After watching Virginia dismantle us today I'm curious about their NIL budget. They have a few stud European players. This is how you work within a limited NIL budget. Odom is noted for very disciplined teams and runs a system that doesn't need 5 star talent. This is what we should be looking for.

 

[Cusefan0307]

After watching Virginia dismantle us today I'm curious about their NIL budget. They have a few stud European players. This is how you work within a limited NIL budget. Odom is noted for very disciplined teams and runs a system that doesn't need 5 star talent. This is what we should be looking for.

The talent there isn’t anything special. They played extremely hard on defense and with good IQ on offense. If you told me Tony Bennett was coaching them today I would believe it.

 

[phil77]

After watching Virginia dismantle us today I'm curious about their NIL budget. They have a few stud European players. This is how you work within a limited NIL budget. Odom is noted for very disciplined teams and runs a system that doesn't need 5 star talent. This is what we should be looking for.

This is correct...

 

[RF2044]

After watching Virginia dismantle us today I'm curious about their NIL budget. They have a few stud European players. This is how you work within a limited NIL budget. Odom is noted for very disciplined teams and runs a system that doesn't need 5 star talent. This is what we should be looking for.

Agree 100%. Keep in mind that Odom has an outstanding system, and is considered a top X's and O's coach. He was the coach of that program that upset number one UVA as a number 16 seed, the first team to ever accomplish that.

Besides, there are very good programs in all conferences, at all levels, that perform well and execute well on both sides of the ball, without massive nil budgets.

I think some of us have lost sight of that.

 

[phil77]

Agree 100%. Keep in mind that Odom has an outstanding system, and is considered a top X's and O's coach. He was the coach of that program that upset number one UVA as a number 16 seed, the first team to ever accomplish that.

Besides, there are very good programs in all conferences, at all levels, that perform well and execute well on both sides of the ball, without massive nil budgets.

I think some of us have lost sight of that.

Give me Odom and our current NIL and we would be in the tournament 95% of the time and top 5 in ACC.

 

[wiCuse]

Agree 100%. Keep in mind that Odom has an outstanding system, and is considered a top X's and O's coach. He was the coach of that program that upset number one UVA as a number 16 seed, the first team to ever accomplish that.

Besides, there are very good programs in all conferences, at all levels, that perform well and execute well on both sides of the ball, without massive nil budgets.

I think some of us have lost sight of that.

Totally agree. We need a guy that can coach if the NIL budget isn't going to be top tier. It's not the end of the world.

Coach Cal is a terrible in game coach, but has big time NIL. It's hard to have both NIL and coaching. It sounds like we need to prioritize X's and O's from what I'm gathering.