Coach Search Options after Autry

[Sherman20]

Not going to argue with you, but you’re saying we can find an up and coming coach who is so confident in his abilities he thinks he can succeed without a major upgrade in resources? Some in the know estimate that our NIL war chest is no better than tenth in the NCAA.
Not saying change isn’t needed, but it’s a lazy approach to think that alone will solve the issue. Football was successful in 2024 with an up and coming coach, a major NIL infusion, an above budget investment in assistant coaching and support staff and a historic facilities upgrade. It’s fine to hope that can be done e with OPM but myopic to think it’s not essential.

“Some in the know estimate that our NIL war chest is no better than tenth in the NCAA.”
Then why did everyone say in the off season going into this year that our NIL was much improved and competitive and was 5th or 6th in the ACC? I just dont understand the changing narratives.

 

[Sherman20]

Alternate perspective: my opinion is that any confident coach is going to think that they are going to turn things around. And given that the program has been on the downturn, it isn't reasonable to think that we're going to be at the top of our game in terms of NIL funding. Any up and coming coach is going to come in here with an insane amount of confidence in their capabilities, believing that they have what it takes to improve performance, drive ticket sales upward, increase fan base engagement and support, which will in turn lead to increased NIL and much higher ticket / gate proceeds to further help feed the beast.

I don't think it is going to be the other way around, where a coach is going to demand the NIL money up front, and decline on that basis alone. I think it is much more likely that someone's going to look at our tradition, see that we have the biggest arena in collegiate basketball, and have an insane amount of confidence in their ability to pack the dome and turn things around. That doesn't mean that our opportunity is for EVERYBODY, or that there might be some coaches who would eschew the northeast out of preference for jobs in other parts of the country.

But I'm guessing that any candidate with the chops might look at the current state, see that we're in the top 5 in NIL within the ACC conference, and think that they can work with that by providing a better on-court product than what we're seeing under Autry. There's more than one way to skin a cat; out-spending everybody in terms of NIL is one strategy, but it is CERTAINLY NOT the only way to be successful.

I think people get locked into these false dichotomies of only being black and white, A versus B, when the answer is probably in the middle:

If a coach can build it, the fans will come. And so will NIL $$$'s.

Excellent post, RF.

 

[Sherman20]

You don’t know that either. Much of it is internet chatter. If we had $5m like the internet chatter claims, and a candidate feels he needs $6-7m he may say ok I can raise that. But if he thinks he needs $10 million like a lot of schools have, he may say no thanks. Every candidate is gonna have different expectations. Point is, what we have could be a limiting factor for some not all. NIL is that important today.

Why are you so obsessed with insisting that our NIL is poor? Where are you getting that info? Many CBB analysts said in the pre-season that we had a top 5-6 roster in the ACc.

 

[Sherman20]

So nice win for them, but it is more of the same from them nothing, I haven't seen in the other games I have watched. Very strong defense and weak offense.

Defense great held the Hawks 31% from the field and 27% from 3
Offense terrible, GM shot 41% from the field 25% from 3, only 10 assists with 8 turnovers

Again, I don't think he is a bad coach I just don't want to play that style of basketball; it isn't fun to watch for me and it wouldn't be a style of play that would immediately bring the casuals back IMO. I don't want to be in a rock fight every game. It's not enjoyable. That again isn't taking anything away from him as a coach, especially a defensive coach; he seems outstanding at that. Just not what I personally want and like I said we can do a lot worse than him, but believe we can do a lot better.

I’m totally with you, Phil. I’d rather have Hodgson if we can’t get Schertz.

 

[CU44SE]

Tell you what. The bottom line is this. Over the past 2 years we are 1-22 against Kenpom top 80 teams. That has nothing to do with NIL, that’s a lack of coaching.

 

[RF2044]

Why are you so obsessed with insisting that our NIL is poor? Where are you getting that info? Many CBB analysts said in the pre-season that we had a top 5-6 roster in the ACc.

Because, it's an excuse.

 

[RF2044]

Nobody claimed that either. Debilitating and insurmountable. Gross exaggerations.

You'll see the difference, when we finally bring in a coach who knows what he's doing. All of these excuses will stop.

 

[rrlbees]

Why are you so obsessed with insisting that our NIL is poor? Where are you getting that info? Many CBB analysts said in the pre-season that we had a top 5-6 roster in the ACc.

Where did I say poor?

 

[rrlbees]

You'll see the difference, when we finally bring in a coach who knows what he's doing. All of these excuses will stop.

Haven’t made a single excuse about anything. Not once.

Peace and love brother.

 

[PhatOrange]

Hire the guy from Nova Southeastern. Right the ship and then pass the torch.

 

[RF2044]

Hire the guy from Nova Southeastern. Right the ship and then pass the torch.

This is actually a funny suggestion, because it might work. Find a guy at a lower level with a proven track record, and unleash the hounds. Enough of the excuses, enough of the artificial constraining the candidate pool to to people with ties where our program, go. Find the best candidate you can and see what happens

 

[OptimusOtto]

Tell you what. The bottom line is this. Over the past 2 years we are 1-22 against Kenpom top 80 teams. That has nothing to do with NIL, that’s a lack of coaching.

That’s such a bad stat my initial reaction was that had to be made up. An indictment on the staff and a total embarrassment.

 

[Consigliere]

“Some in the know estimate that our NIL war chest is no better than tenth in the NCAA.”
Then why did everyone say in the off season going into this year that our NIL was much improved and competitive and was 5th or 6th in the ACC? I just dont understand the changing narratives.

Probably because this data is not publicly available and all based unverifiable estimates. And the later it gets, the more information is available.
For the record I was told that Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia, Miami, NC State, Clemson and SMU all absolutely had men’s basketball NIL deals in NIL Go that exceeded Syracuse. And that Stanford was roughly equivalent.

I did not mean to start a contentious debate and absolutely am on board with a coaching change. My only point is that thinking changing the coach without addressing other issues is a simplistic approach that is not likely to bring the level of success we aspire to. Rivals in the conference have taken advantage of changes in NCAA rules to augment support staffs and move to hire the full allotment of five full time assistants. Syracuse added a slash to the Director of Basketball Operations to allow him to coach on court. High level coaching candidates will be in demand and NIL and support staff budgets will definitely factor into the candidates’ decision making.

Football exhibited success in 2024 by hiring a visionary coach, investing heavily in support staff enhancements, putting shovels in the ground for a new, state of the art football operations center and working with an alumni led group to bring an NIL war chest that enabled the new coach to bring in high level portal transfers that augmented the existing talent base. All I am saying is that the AD should do the same for hoops.

 

[Bayside44]

Probably because this data is not publicly available and all based unverifiable estimates. And the later it gets, the more information is available.
For the record I was told that Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia, Miami, NC State, Clemson and SMU all absolutely had men’s basketball NIL deals in NIL Go that exceeded Syracuse. And that Stanford was roughly equivalent.

I did not mean to start a contentious debate and absolutely am on board with a coaching change. My only point is that thinking changing the coach without addressing other issues is a simplistic approach that is not likely to bring the level of success we aspire to. Rivals in the conference have taken advantage of changes in NCAA rules to augment support staffs and move to hire the full allotment of five full time assistants. Syracuse added a slash to the Director of Basketball Operations to allow him to coach on court. High level coaching candidates will be in demand and NIL and support staff budgets will definitely factor into the candidates’ decision making.

Football exhibited success in 2024 by hiring a visionary coach, investing heavily in support staff enhancements, putting shovels in the ground for a new, state of the art football operations center and working with an alumni led group to bring an NIL war chest that enabled the new coach to bring in high level portal transfers that augmented the existing talent base. All I am saying is that the AD should do the same for hoops.

Agree with this and line in the sand stuff.

NIL has nothing to do with closing out games, hitting foul shots, or randomly turning it over.

Anyone outside the family will want some pretty ironclad guarantees as far as NIL and money from the AD. Upside is Kline at least has been pushing the program into the 21st century. Guys like Gerry or Mike would probably be more hubris driven.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I'm with you on Skinn.

Im also foreskin .

 

[Lame-0]

Probably because this data is not publicly available and all based unverifiable estimates. And the later it gets, the more information is available.
For the record I was told that Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia, Miami, NC State, Clemson and SMU all absolutely had men’s basketball NIL deals in NIL Go that exceeded Syracuse. And that Stanford was roughly equivalent.

I did not mean to start a contentious debate and absolutely am on board with a coaching change. My only point is that thinking changing the coach without addressing other issues is a simplistic approach that is not likely to bring the level of success we aspire to. Rivals in the conference have taken advantage of changes in NCAA rules to augment support staffs and move to hire the full allotment of five full time assistants. Syracuse added a slash to the Director of Basketball Operations to allow him to coach on court. High level coaching candidates will be in demand and NIL and support staff budgets will definitely factor into the candidates’ decision making.

Football exhibited success in 2024 by hiring a visionary coach, investing heavily in support staff enhancements, putting shovels in the ground for a new, state of the art football operations center and working with an alumni led group to bring an NIL war chest that enabled the new coach to bring in high level portal transfers that augmented the existing talent base. All I am saying is that the AD should do the same for hoops.

I have a question. Can anyone explain the difference in duties between the Director of Basketball operations and the General Manager.

 

[whobut03]

Probably because this data is not publicly available and all based unverifiable estimates. And the later it gets, the more information is available.
For the record I was told that Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia, Miami, NC State, Clemson and SMU all absolutely had men’s basketball NIL deals in NIL Go that exceeded Syracuse. And that Stanford was roughly equivalent.

I did not mean to start a contentious debate and absolutely am on board with a coaching change. My only point is that thinking changing the coach without addressing other issues is a simplistic approach that is not likely to bring the level of success we aspire to. Rivals in the conference have taken advantage of changes in NCAA rules to augment support staffs and move to hire the full allotment of five full time assistants. Syracuse added a slash to the Director of Basketball Operations to allow him to coach on court. High level coaching candidates will be in demand and NIL and support staff budgets will definitely factor into the candidates’ decision making.

Football exhibited success in 2024 by hiring a visionary coach, investing heavily in support staff enhancements, putting shovels in the ground for a new, state of the art football operations center and working with an alumni led group to bring an NIL war chest that enabled the new coach to bring in high level portal transfers that augmented the existing talent base. All I am saying is that the AD should do the same for hoops.

Regarding the last paragraph, more specifically NIL and investing, this is where Fran Brown blows Autry out of the water. Fran is a master at developing relationships fast, asking for what he needs and closing.

This is where Autry struggles. He is a bit uncomfortable asking for what he needs and closing.

Fran will be calling the NIL team at all hours throughout the year. Red, not so much.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I have a question. Can anyone explain the difference in duties between the Director of Basketball operations and the General Manager.

George Costanza held a similar Director of Operations job for the Yankees. I imagine he would've done a better job than most of our staff this year.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Regarding the last paragraph, more specifically NIL and investing, this is where Fran Brown blows Autry out of the water. Fran is a master at developing relationships fast, asking for what he needs and closing.

This is where Autry struggles. He is a bit uncomfortable asking for what he needs and closing.

Fran will be calling the NIL team at all hours throughout the year. Red, not so much.

Imagine Fran Brown at the Era's tourney. He would've figured out a way to squeeze every dollar and build some hype. Autry not so much.

 

[Trueblue25]

Im having a hard time, after years of the current Athletic Department at SU being in place, trusting that they will make a good decision.

Thats an issue the AD has to figure out how to fix before worrying about current NIL.

NIL will come if people have a foundation and plan to buy into. I don’t see anything right now.

They’ve got to establish a vision and stand by it. Give donors something to hold the AD and program accountable to thats not just historical prominence that NONE of them had a hand in.

 

[Jake]

Regarding the last paragraph, more specifically NIL and investing, this is where Fran Brown blows Autry out of the water. Fran is a master at developing relationships fast, asking for what he needs and closing.

This is where Autry struggles. He is a bit uncomfortable asking for what he needs and closing.

Fran will be calling the NIL team at all hours throughout the year. Red, not so much.

This. It’s uncomfortable for Red. Exactly how to describe it. He’s a super nice guy and I don’t think he likes the “begging part”.

 

[Consigliere]

I have a question. Can anyone explain the difference in duties between the Director of Basketball operations and the General Manager.

General Manager ( Alex Kline) focuses exclusively on roster building. He identifies and evaluates potential portal targets throughout the season, does market research to estimate the cost of each and recommends targets to the staff. He assists with high school recruiting and may meet with recruits on campus.
The Director of Basketball Operations (Pete Corasanti)handles all of the administrative tasks for the program including scheduling, overseeing travel arrangements, coordinating logistics for recruiting visits and interfacing with player eligibility and academic progress.

 

[Lame-0]

General Manager ( Alex Kline) focuses exclusively on roster building. He identifies and evaluates potential portal targets throughout the season, does market research to estimate the cost of each and recommends targets to the staff. He assists with high school recruiting and may meet with recruits on campus.
The Director of Basketball Operations (Pete Corasanti)handles all of the administrative tasks for the program including scheduling, overseeing travel arrangements, coordinating logistics for recruiting visits and interfacing with player eligibility and academic progress.

Thank you

 

[RF2044]

So we need to commit to a larger support staff budget? Agreed -- the times have changed, and those types of program foundational elements are minimum threshold requirements. Kind of like private practice facilities were years ago.

 

[ar inj]

This. It’s uncomfortable for Red. Exactly how to describe it. He’s a super nice guy and I don’t think he likes the “begging part”.

Uncomfortable is being kind. He is horrible at it. His fundraising skills are so bad that by comparison it makes his in-game coaching skills make me think of John Wooden