Coach Search Options after Autry

[RF2044]

So we need to commit to a larger support staff budget? Agreed -- the times have changed, and those types of program foundational elements are minimum threshold requirements. Kind of like private practice facilities were years ago.

 

[ar inj]

This. It’s uncomfortable for Red. Exactly how to describe it. He’s a super nice guy and I don’t think he likes the “begging part”.

Uncomfortable is being kind. He is horrible at it. His fundraising skills are so bad that by comparison it makes his in-game coaching skills make me think of John Wooden

 

[Cuse1055]

Uncomfortable is being kind. He is horrible at it. His fundraising skills are so bad that by comparison it makes his in-game coaching skills make me think of John Wooden

How’s Gerry at this? I assume Hop would be very good at it with his personality. Somewhere outside the program would have to be good at it too.

 

[Sherman20]

I’m worried about offense, which is why I like Schertz, who has a well developed offensive identity and philosophy. And also Hodgson, who also has a proven offense with the Nate Oats system (though he’s much less proven as a HC). But Takayo Siddle is gonna be one of the hot names this cycle, and it sounds like he’s improved his team’s offense this season (which was one of my concerns with him).

 

[Sherman20]

This. It’s uncomfortable for Red. Exactly how to describe it. He’s a super nice guy and I don’t think he likes the “begging part”.

He’s also just not a dynamic and charismatic personality who can sell the program. That goes a long way. We need that. JB didn’t have it either but he was forceful and confident and smart, and that went a long way.

 

[Irt4su]

Going to the USF v Tulsa game today. Will be watching Hodgson specifically. Don’t know much about him but reading his Wiki page, this guy has an early life background quite dissimilar to a massive part of the population. Rooting for him without even knowing him based only on the first couple of years of his life.

 

[Sherman20]

Probably because this data is not publicly available and all based unverifiable estimates. And the later it gets, the more information is available.
For the record I was told that Duke, UNC, Louisville, Virginia, Miami, NC State, Clemson and SMU all absolutely had men’s basketball NIL deals in NIL Go that exceeded Syracuse. And that Stanford was roughly equivalent.

I did not mean to start a contentious debate and absolutely am on board with a coaching change. My only point is that thinking changing the coach without addressing other issues is a simplistic approach that is not likely to bring the level of success we aspire to. Rivals in the conference have taken advantage of changes in NCAA rules to augment support staffs and move to hire the full allotment of five full time assistants. Syracuse added a slash to the Director of Basketball Operations to allow him to coach on court. High level coaching candidates will be in demand and NIL and support staff budgets will definitely factor into the candidates’ decision making.

Football exhibited success in 2024 by hiring a visionary coach, investing heavily in support staff enhancements, putting shovels in the ground for a new, state of the art football operations center and working with an alumni led group to bring an NIL war chest that enabled the new coach to bring in high level portal transfers that augmented the existing talent base. All I am saying is that the AD should do the same for hoops.

Thanks for sharing. I very much agree with all that you’re saying, including the need for a bigger support staff. We need to fund those aspects of the program if we want to win. That was a disappointment of mine coming into the season. The philosophy should be: If you build it, they will come. I firmly believe we can get into the middle of that top-end group of schools if we hire the right coach and crate the fundraising and marketing infrastructure. I believe a lot more middle class folks (not to mention the wealthy) would contribute to NIL if we had a charismatic and proven basketball coach. Similar to small dollar donations for political campaigns, the program could be growing their NIL coffers with the right marketing and sales campaign encouraged by a dynamic head coach. Once the coach is hired, the coach and the athletic department needs to encourage local fans, alumni and fans around the country to contribute just a little bit to the NIL fund. But you have to blast the message loudly and remind people if you want to watch a winning program, you have to donate (even just a little). I think small dollar donations are an aspect of the NIL space that’s being ignored or under-developed.

 

[Cuse1055]

Going to the USF v Tulsa game today. Will be watching Hodgson specifically. Don’t know much about him but reading his Wiki page, this guy has an early life background quite dissimilar to a massive part of the population. Rooting for him without even knowing him based only on the first couple of years of his life.

Wear Orange and see if he notices/acknowledges

 

[tptcuse]

So we need to commit to a larger support staff budget? Agreed -- the times have changed, and those types of program foundational elements are minimum threshold requirements. Kind of like private practice facilities were years ago.

Am I imagining things or didn't JW say at the end of last season that Red could hire another assistant coach, which he did not do?

 

[Franz69]

If a coach in unwilling and/or unable to deal with NIL, it's a total non-starter. Like Rob Moore being unwilling to use social media. It's part of the job these days. Either do it or hit the bricks.

 

[MikeSU02]

This is actually a funny suggestion, because it might work. Find a guy at a lower level with a proven track record, and unleash the hounds. Enough of the excuses, enough of the artificial constraining the candidate pool to to people with ties where our program, go. Find the best candidate you can and see what happens

Yep. We aren’t fixing the Red years. We’re fixing the last dozen years.

Do a real search. Go national. No more excuses for what challenges are presented.

There are plenty of examples of universities of all shapes and sizes doing well in this era.

If the powers that be didn’t let us get this deep in the hole we dug, it wouldn’t seem like such a big hill to climb.

But here we are.

 

[orangepassion]

Going to the USF v Tulsa game today. Will be watching Hodgson specifically. Don’t know much about him but reading his Wiki page, this guy has an early life background quite dissimilar to a massive part of the population. Rooting for him without even knowing him based only on the first couple of years of his life.

Focus on his body language and what it could mean

 

[23Zone]

Tell you what. The bottom line is this. Over the past 2 years we are 1-22 against Kenpom top 80 teams. That has nothing to do with NIL, that’s a lack of coaching.

Maybe not all coaching...I'd break it down to
80 percent coaching incompetence
20 percent talent defecit

 

[Irt4su]

Focus on his body language and what it could mean

Exclusively focusing on if he does hockey line shifts and understands time outs and inbounds plays. Also interested in whether he has an actual offense and if the players hustle

 

[Cuse1055]

Whether Hodgson or Gerry wins their conference and makes the NCAA tournament could play huge roles in our hire.

 

[elimunelson]

I am sticking w my Kentucky like search for SU. Tons of Charlie Brown missed field goals and then they go back to Gmac

He will accept because the salary will be multiples of what he’s making. No idea how he handles NIL, in game coaching etc. you guys know better. Just feel like this is how it will play out. Especially since we aren’t getting ahead of the process. You guys can say back channel all you want. But the other schools are doing the same thing. We aren’t special there. We need to be front channel right now.

 

[Widget24]

Gah. I love GMac, but I REALLY don't want anyone with SU ties as the next HC. The program needs a totally fresh start. And I know I'm the 956th person to post that.

 

[RF2044]

I am sticking w my Kentucky like search for SU. Tons of Charlie Brown missed field goals and then they go back to Gmac

He will accept because the salary will be multiples of what he’s making. No idea how he handles NIL, in game coaching etc. you guys know better. Just feel like this is how it will play out. Especially since we aren’t getting ahead of the process. You guys can say back channel all you want. But the other schools are doing the same thing. We aren’t special there. We need to be front channel right now.

The program is at an inflection point.

If that's how things unfold -- because Gerry would come "cheap," then it would tell you everything you need to know about the University's / AD's commitment to the basketball program returning to form and being nationally competitive. If that's the direction they go, then we aren't serious about basketball anymore.

 

[qdawgg]

George Costanza held a similar Director of Operations job for the Yankees. I imagine he would've done a better job than most of our staff this year.

He would have at least slept at the office at all hours

 

[phil77]

I’m worried about offense, which is why I like Schertz, who has a well developed offensive identity and philosophy. And also Hodgson, who also has a proven offense with the Nate Oats system (though he’s much less proven as a HC). But Takayo Siddle is gonna be one of the hot names this cycle, and it sounds like he’s improved his team’s offense this season (which was one of my concerns with him).

He is one of my next ones to look into next week

 

[phil77]

Whether Hodgson or Gerry wins their conference and makes the NCAA tournament could play huge roles in our hire.

I doubt it.

 

[PauliePeppas]

The program is at an inflection point.

If that's how things unfold -- because Gerry would come "cheap," then it would tell you everything you need to know about the University's / AD's commitment to the basketball program returning to form and being nationally competitive. If that's the direction they go, then we aren't serious about basketball anymore.

Dead program if it happens

 

[007]

I am sticking w my Kentucky like search for SU. Tons of Charlie Brown missed field goals and then they go back to Gmac

He will accept because the salary will be multiples of what he’s making. No idea how he handles NIL, in game coaching etc. you guys know better. Just feel like this is how it will play out. Especially since we aren’t getting ahead of the process. You guys can say back channel all you want. But the other schools are doing the same thing. We aren’t special there. We need to be front channel right now.

And you can say "we need to be front channel right now." What does that look like? I'm sure part of that for you is firing Red today. Ok, so that would be public confirmation of what the industry already knows. How would that change the ability to openly negotiate (front channel) with coaches who are contactually obligated to their teams? Those contacts would still need to be back channel.

And...how do you know SU is not "getting ahead of the process?" You are entitled to your Charlie Brown theory on why they will go with Gmac. But, without knowing what SU is doing or not doing, it comes off as more of a disgruntled tamper tantrum.

 

[Irt4su]

15 min to go and this is the crowd VERY healthy amount of tubas in the band at least

 

[phil77]

I am sticking w my Kentucky like search for SU. Tons of Charlie Brown missed field goals and then they go back to Gmac

Sad thing is a lot of people feel this way. Tru hit on the hit a page or two back in this thread the trust that they are going to make the correct decision is gone. I told someone the other day they are going to sell the fake national search thing have our name out their nationally then hire GMac and then once again try to sell the fan base he was the most qualified just like they did with Red.

I don’t want want that to happen but with the way Syracuse operates this is not a crazy line of thinking