Coach Search Options after Autry

[Fly Rodder]

Mid to late March, after Autry is officially dismissed. Possibly very quickly after if they get their ducks in a row now.

UW formally announced that they hired Hopkins four days after they fired Romar. There were people on this board arguing that the whole process happened in those four days.

 

[tptcuse]

Just curious: Is it possible that there is more money for a coach because they can pay an incoming athletic director and assistant athletic director less money than the retiring ones?

 

[orangepassion]

Here is my thing with Schertz. As a coach right now I think he’s ahead of anyone else that would be a reasonable option for us. Doesn’t mean someone like Hodgson can’t be as good or better.

Schertz is 50 and I would suspect based on what’s been said, we would be chasing him along with others and thus that could mean a lower buyout to give him flexibility may be something that has to be on the table along with the fact he could then give us a few strong years and along comes UK, after being tired of not chasing titles a couple more years who offer him an SEC level pay and NIL he could ride out his career with. That’s the biggest worry I have with him. Hodgson is up and coming it seems he wants the job and while he’s got more to learn, if he works out great like even Danny Hurley great, he’s unlikely to be going anywhere else in a hurry.

Doug Marrone, that is all.

 

[RedtheGOB]

• March 10th / 11th -- Syracuse loses in the first or second round of the ACCT
• March 12th -- ADJW announces that Syracuse is moving in a different direction for a head coach
• March 15th -- Our top candidate gets the job ***

Then April 2027 - - National Championship.

No big deal
*** delayed only if a team like USF makes a big postseason run, and BH bizarrely decides to run the string

 

[23Zone]

Schertz or Hodgson. Either would be substantial upgrade to what we have at present. If we strike out on both, it will be a massive disappointment

 

[PhatOrange]

Hah. I got this reference. Fair point. But also to be fair theyre pretty upfront saying it takes decades.

Gotta start somewhere. Jobs are jobs even if it’s 2030-2035. I doubt the salt potato market is going to rebound in CNY anytime soon.

Global foundries in Malta broke ground in 2009 and by 2012 was employing over a1000 people. 3 years.

But from what I understand about Syracuse is they can't get out of their own way with regards to micron.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Are you saying that he wasn't considered a top tier recuiter? I don't understand what you are asking or trying to prove? You can't be suggesting that he isn't an elite recruiter because he isn't bringing in top tier NBA talent to those schools right?

Nelson, Enis, and Pinson are all P4 level players that he has recruited to stay at a lower level to play for him.

Were these 3 players considered elite by other programs and recruited by any big programs out of high school or were they players he saw that he could utilize and develop into very good players as a head coach? JB had a knack for evaluating talent that many over looked, does Hodgson have that skill? Or has he shown the recruiting chops to battle and lure top recruits that other top programs are battling over to play for him? Not sure but I think that’s what Dasher may be asking. Mike Hopkins was considered a top recruiter too but certainly had mixed results as a head coach.

 

[Jake]

Global foundries in Malta broke ground in 2009 and by 2012 was employing over a1000 people. 3 years.

But from what I understand about Syracuse is they can't get out of their own way with regards to micron.

The micron project dwarfs global foundries. Not exactly an ideal comparison. But the Micron progress has been slower than expected.

 

[PhatOrange]

The micron project dwarfs global foundries. Not exactly an ideal comparison. But the Micron progress has been slower than expected.

I don't know anything about Micron I just assumed they're roughly the same.

Global Founderies fast facts situated on a campus of over 1,110 acres, it houses a nearly 3 million square-foot manufacturing footprint, employs around 3,000 people

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

From an SI.com article on possible Tang successors. Hodson is on there, but among the the least likely candidates:

Hodgson built a reputation at Alabama for being one of the best recruiting assistants in the sport, and has succeeded early in head coaching stints at Arkansas State and now South Florida. It is a poorly kept secret in industry circles that Syracuse is the job he covets should it open, but Kansas State would be wise to at least talk to the guy currently leading the AAC.

Uh oh!! Dream job!!!!!

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Hodgson reminds me more of Fran Brown than anyone else and that’s a good thing

Had a tough childhood, started from the bottom, worked hard for everything he got, has recruiting chops, and truly wants the job.

Perfect recipe to shake things up

That doesn’t apply to Red?

 

[Fat tire 13]

That doesn’t apply to Red?

It’s a bit different. Tons of people have tough childhoods and have to make the best of it. Not trying to debate that at all

The difference is Red was a star basketball player at Cuse. Because he achieved that he’s going to get coaching opportunities. Same with GMac or any other good player who shows an aptitude for coaching. Those guys didn’t have to toil away at small schools and work their way up the coaching ladder

 

[TommyA13]

Schertz or Hodgson. Either would be substantial upgrade to what we have at present. If we strike out on both, it will be a massive disappointment

I honestly feel like it would be impossible to strike out on Hodgson at this point, but knowing Syracuse and our luck I guess anything is possible

 

[TommyA13]

I still think Schertz is very much in play

I hope so, I love Hodgson but Schertz is just clearly the best coach who will be available

 

[phil77]

I hope so, I love Hodgson but Schertz is just clearly the best coach who will be available

Schertz
Olen
Calhoun
Hodgson

Just go down the list. No need to make it complicated or hard with Hodgson being the floor.

 

[orangepassion]

Schertz
Olen
Calhoun
Hodgson

Just go down the list. No need to make it complicated or hard with Hodgson being the floor.

What do you think Olen and Calhoun have over Hodgson? I think Takayo Siddle would also be a solid choice. My pecking order (because I know Wildhack has been wondering): Schertz, Hodgson, Siddle, Olen/Calhoun, Luke Murray.

 

[phil77]

What do you think Olen and Calhoun have over Hodgson? I think Takayo Siddle would also be a solid choice. My pecking order (because I know Wildhack was wondering): Schertz, Hodgson, Siddle, Olen, Luke Murray.

After my research, I think Olen is the best coach on the market, but I don't think he is leaving the West Coast, so that is why I don't have him at number 1. The downside for him is if he doesn't get Oregon, then it is Arizona State, and that is a dead-end P4 job will be interesting to see what he can do there or if he will lose there and have to go back down a level to go back up a level at a better place.

I think Calhoun is safer than Hodgson don't know if he is better, just safer.

Those 3 I put over Hodgson after that, coaches like Skinn, Siddle, Murray, Steele etc are all in the same group, and if I am going to pick from that group, just give me Hodgson. For reasons I have mentioned in this thread.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I don't know anything about Micron I just assumed they're roughly the same.

Global Founderies fast facts situated on a campus of over 1,110 acres, it houses a nearly 3 million square-foot manufacturing footprint, employs around 3,000 people

Settle down you microchip Nerds!

Can we please get back to arguing about Autrys Orange Standard

 

[phil77]

All due respect, I think Hodgson is the safer pick over Calhoun...I personally do not want to hire a head coach again with no head coaching experience.

Calhoun has more head coaching experience than Hodgson? He has a 653 winning percentage overall but last two years at Utah State he as a .814 winning percentage and is 22-3 so far this year. In Fairmont State he as Division 2 title game. Last year he was in the NCAA tournament with Utah State

 

[RedtheGOB]

After my research, I think Olen is the best coach on the market, but I don't think he is leaving the West Coast, so that is why I don't have him at number 1. The downside for him is if he doesn't get Oregon, then it is Arizona State, and that is a dead-end P4 job will be interesting to see what he can do there or if he will lose there and have to go back down a level to go back up a level at a better place.

I think Calhoun is safer than Hodgson don't know if he is better, just safer.

Those 3 I put over Hodgson after that, coaches like Skinn, Siddle, Murray, Steele etc are all in the same group, and if I am going to pick from that group, just give me Hodgson. For reasons I have mentioned in this thread.

It’s interesting you say there are coaches at the top of your list but you don’t think they’re leaving their school.

Is there any way we’re missing a random elite coach that we send out a feeler to on a longshot and he wants to make a move?

 

[007]

All due respect, I think Hodgson is the safer pick over Calhoun...I personally do not want to hire a head coach again with no head coaching experience.

Jerrod Calhoun has 13 years experience as a HC. I have not seen him linked to SU. Hodgson has been linked to SU for some time.

 

[phil77]

It’s interesting you say there are coaches at the top of your list but you don’t think they’re leaving their school.

Is there any way we’re missing a random elite coach that we send out a feeler to on a longshot and he wants to make a move?

Who did I say isn't leaving their school? I think Olen is leaving his school, just staying out west.

I don't think so in the world of social media and media attention in general, most places that report on NCAA coaching usually get the best candidates out in their publications. This isn't a decade ago where everything happened behind closed doors and there wasn't much talk about this stuff nationally. Last year they pretty much had the best of the best in a list.

That doesn't mean there isn't some under-the-radar type dude that will be an amazing coach, because that happens but usually in this day and age, if you just stick to the national lists for a program like ours then you will be OK.

Football I understand with our history having to get creative but we shouldn't have to get creative for basketball.

 

[phil77]

Jerrod Calhoun has 13 years experience as a HC. I have not seen him linked to SU. Hodgson has been linked to SU for some time.

Correct I wasn't talking about best coaches that are linked to SU I was just talking in general terms of me researching coaches how I would rank them.

Schertz, Olen (might be my personal #1), Calhoun, and Hodgson. If Syracuse can't get the first three, then just roll with Hodgson and let him get started early.

 

[cuseguy]

Boston is one of the last places I'd want to live.

My favorite city in America. It’s not close.

 

[007]

Correct I wasn't talking about best coaches that are linked to SU I was just talking in general terms of me researching coaches how I would rank them.

Schertz, Olen (might be my personal #1), Calhoun, and Hodgson. If Syracuse can't get the first three, then just roll with Hodgson and let him get started early.

Yes, I understand where you are coming from on this - and I appreciate your research. That's why I responded to the OP and not you.

FWIW (not much really), I think Schertz is the safest bet by a long shot. It also seems clear that just about everybody else in the industry thinks the same. Board opinions are fun. But, having guys repeatedly say "Schertz is MY guy" is kind of like saying water is wet at this point. He is everybody's "guy."