Coach Search Options after Autry

[qdawgg]

Not talking about Hop, why would u think that

Because I was talking about Hop and you replied to me.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Syracuse is in the highest tier (“Hot Seat - Trending Out”) for those who don’t have Twitter

Looking at those schools, it’s actually a good year to be looking for a head coach.

 

[Starman]

It's a rare scenario where it actually is a matter of the school just saying he's our guy. If the money is right, he’s getting on the first flight to Syracuse. And we don't need a crazy amount to get him.

That's why the pressure on the University to make the right decision is so immense.

It'd be the equivalent of missing a dunk. Not that we know what that's like, right?

 

[Briancuse]

There is not a better year to be a “buyer” . Bidding war is nonsense talking

Under the radar but osu beating purdue today was huge for us. It likely saves dieblers job.

 

[TommyA13]

Looking at those schools, it’s actually a good year to be looking for a head coach.

Would be extremely disappointing if BH ends up elsewhere. If he really wants the Syracuse job, is he gonna go to those other schools when Syracuse could offer the same, if not more?

 

[Bulldog04]

First we had to hire Hopkins because 30 million
Now we can't hire Hodgson because there is going to be a bidding war

???

No one is saying we have to hire Hopkins. Including me. I want BH. But some people on here are clueless (not directing that at you). You know how many schools have more money than cuse on that list that Norlander posted alone? Hmmm let’s see - LSU, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Arizona state and that’s not counting other schools that haven’t even fired their coaches yet. This is a top 2 coaching candidate free agent in AMERICA and you guys think he’s just about to walk on campus and the only issue that could arise is if the university “screws it up”… What is USF gives him a new deal? You guys act like that’s not a possibility either …

You guys think that these schools or others aren’t going to overbid to make it seem like they are taking bball seriously? I mean cmon common sense isn’t too present these days on here. You guys don’t think a school is going to offer a few million more a year than cuse and think BH is gonna take a cuse discount because he really wants the job. It’s not even a known fact he wants the job. Also, Not counting the lower income tax rates on top of it for those other states. This guy has insane leverage right now

 

[orangepassion]

No one is saying we have to hire Hopkins. Including me. I want BH. But some people on here are clueless (not directing that at you). You know how many schools have more money than cuse on that list that Norlander posted alone? Hmmm let’s see - LSU, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Arizona state and that’s not counting other schools that haven’t even fired their coaches yet. This is a top 2 coaching candidate free agent in AMERICA and you guys think he’s just about to walk on campus and the only issue that could arise is if the university “screws it up”… What is USF gives him a new deal? You guys act like that’s not a possibility either …

You guys think that these schools or others aren’t going to overbid to make it seem like they are taking bball seriously? I mean cmon common sense isn’t too present these days on here. You guys don’t think a school is going to offer a few million more a year than cuse and think BH is gonna take a cuse discount because he really wants the job. It’s not even a known fact he wants the job. Also, Not counting the lower income tax rates on top of it for those other states. This guy has insane leverage right now

That depends on how much of a national search we do. There's many other good candidates besides Hodgson, starting with Schertz. One thing that has distinguished Hodge is that he is a local and grew up an SU fan, but there are other quality guys out there that have been discussed here and at length in the ESPN article I posted here last night

 

[Bulldog04]

Kansas state coach - $3.6m a year
Cincinnati coach $3.2m per yead
LSU coach - $2.8m per year
ND coach - $4m a year
OU coach - $3.1m a year
SC coach - $3.75m a year
ASU coach - $3.6m a year

And yeah all everyone keeps saying is “if Syracuse wants to be serious about competing, etc etc etc” they have some massive ground to cover and when have they EVER proven to pay for what they need ? But to think this is some sort of layup, you guys need to do some research because it’s not. And there’s not even an AD in place so these guys don’t even know who their boss will be !

 

[Blanko97]

I think he would have to be really convinced. And I don't know this, but since Bh is a Lally sponsor, I think melo just might be a little chapped that his name is below theirs on his bg.

If he wants the bigger name, he should probably donate more money

 

[FrancoPizza]

Yeah I think people are forgetting this guy is going to get offers that are extremely large. This isn’t a matter of the university just saying oh yeah he’s our guy this is easy and they just get him. There’s going to be a bidding war

Our offer just needs to be competitive- it doesn’t need to be the best because BH wants SU more than the others.

The calculus hasn’t changed. Either SU is serious about getting the mud off their face or they aren’t.

 

[General20]

Our offer just needs to be competitive- it doesn’t need to be the best because BH wants SU more than the others.

The calculus hasn’t changed. Either SU is serious about getting the mud off their face or they aren’t.

Do you have a reason for thinking this? Its one thing to say you've always been a fan of Syracuse and want to coach here and quite another to take a pay cut to come here.

How many recruits have we seen call SU their dream school before eventually choosing the highest bidder instead?

This whole situation is extremely fluid, both with Syracuse still hiring the leaders who should be choosing our next coach and with BH whose resume is an extremely small sample size. He could still easily miss the tournament, or his team is good enough to make the tournament and win a couple games. If they do it will probably earn him another 5 maybe even 10 million dollars in the open market (across the length of the contract). Its certainly not crazy to think he might want that money that he earned.

I have to laugh at all the people calling this simple. Making a muti million dollar, extremely publicly scrutinized decision with no chancellor and no AD is anything but simple. We are very lucky to have the insiders we do, and very lucky to know as much as we do. But its insane to think this situation is anything other than very fluid and very unstable.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Do you have a reason for thinking this? Its one thing to say you've always been a fan of Syracuse and want to coach here and quite another to take a pay cut to come here.

How many recruits have we seen call SU their dream school before eventually choosing the highest bidder instead?

This whole situation is extremely fluid, both with Syracuse still hiring the leaders who should be choosing our next coach and with BH whose resume is an extremely small sample size. He could still easily miss the tournament, or his team is good enough to make the tournament and win a couple games. If they do it will probably earn him another 5 maybe even 10 million dollars in the open market (across the length of the contract). Its certainly not crazy to think he might want that money that he earned.

I have to laugh at all the people calling this simple. Making a muti million dollar, extremely publicly scrutinized decision with no chancellor and no AD is anything but simple. We are very lucky to have the insiders we do, and very lucky to know as much as we do. But its insane to think this situation is anything other than very fluid and very unstable.

Fortunately the committees are set up. The Chancellor will be appointed tomorrow. Hopefully an AD within a few days after that, and at least by the time Cuse is ousted from the ACCT.

The behind the scenes stuff has to be happening already, so the transitions for all are seamless.

At least in a perfect world. It doesn't have to be difficult. #teamHodgson

 

[Cusefan0307]

Kansas state coach - $3.6m a year
Cincinnati coach $3.2m per yead
LSU coach - $2.8m per year
ND coach - $4m a year
OU coach - $3.1m a year
SC coach - $3.75m a year
ASU coach - $3.6m a year

And yeah all everyone keeps saying is “if Syracuse wants to be serious about competing, etc etc etc” they have some massive ground to cover and when have they EVER proven to pay for what they need ? But to think this is some sort of layup, you guys need to do some research because it’s not. And there’s not even an AD in place so these guys don’t even know who their boss will be !

There’s been discussion in this thread that the university knows they have a reputation of being cheap and there’s money there for a coach. Your hedging is going to get strong pushback. Again look at what Louisville hired Kelsey at. No first year HC is going to make the same as guys multiple years in.

 

[Cusefan0307]

 

[Ozone!]

But there's no empiracle evidence he can beat dook and Carolina!!

There’s no evidence that Hopkins can either, or Virginia, Louisville, NC State and numerous others in the ACC!

 

[Ozone!]

Curious what is soo special about Kline?
Just clean the house fully.

Many things, for one he knows how to work with high profile players and their agents. He had a professional basketball recruiting website as a teen. He developed and ran a successful and profitable fund raising website for cancer research while in HS. His mother died of cancer. He worked with the New York Nicks in a similar capacity. Do you even know what he does? The coaches provide him with the types of players they are looking for and their budget for them. He then does his research for both High School and Portal talent that fits what they want and are within their budget. Then the coaches decide who they want and Alex negotiates with their agents to get them signed.
Our wins and losses have nothing to do with him and his job!

 

[DilemaCuse]

There’s no evidence that Hopkins can either, or Virginia, Louisville, NC State and numerous others in the ACC!

Yes, my post was sarcasm. We know Hop cant either. Hops first 2 years came with Arizona being down before Lloyd got there and UCLA was mediocre. He has a bad track record in a weak Pac 10 so he's no where close to being able to project to win in the ACC.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Saying they are "done" is probably just hyperbole for the most part... they will just be extremely pissed and frustrated with the decision, and could well distance themselves initially which I think is justifiable.

There's people over in the AD thread saying if it's the bad AD choice they'll never watch SU sports again. We got some dramatic folks here lately.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Kansas state coach - $3.6m a year
Cincinnati coach $3.2m per yead
LSU coach - $2.8m per year
ND coach - $4m a year
OU coach - $3.1m a year
SC coach - $3.75m a year
ASU coach - $3.6m a year

And yeah all everyone keeps saying is “if Syracuse wants to be serious about competing, etc etc etc” they have some massive ground to cover and when have they EVER proven to pay for what they need ? But to think this is some sort of layup, you guys need to do some research because it’s not. And there’s not even an AD in place so these guys don’t even know who their boss will be !

Thank you for what you're doing here Bulldog stating facts. Unfortunately You're still getting people posting back on you with vibes and ignoring them.

BUT BUT BUT he was a New York guy and he always wanted the job.

Yea so what, we're talking alot of money and at 38 it's life changing.

Dude also hasn't live in NY in 7 years, moved away when he was in his early 30's, met his fiance in Alabama and now has a young baby. As stated he also has options.

Yes he wants the job but let's not pretend some New York connection growing up here is going to outweigh the math..

I want him too but let's not so be so naive.

 

[Cappy3]

Hypothetically just out of curiosity: IF Hopkins is hired as the coach and gets SU back in the top 25 and vying for a top 5 NCAA seed, all these posters who say they’re “done” and won’t be fans anymore if he’s hired won’t come running back right? Lol

I think in reality they’re saying they won’t be back until Hop proves he’s the right guy. If your scenario were to unfold I’m sure we’d be overflowing with fans, which would be the case no matter who was coach.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Thank you for what you're doing here Bulldog stating facts. Unfortunately You're still getting people posting back on you with vibes and ignoring them.

BUT BUT BUT he was a New York guy and he always wanted the job.

Yea so what, we're talking alot of money and at 38 it's life changing.

Dude also hasn't live in NY in 7 years, moved away when he was in his early 30's, met his fiance in Alabama and now has a young baby. As stated he also has options.

Yes he wants the job but let's not pretend some New York connection growing up here is going to outweigh the math..

I want him too but let's not so be so naive.

Right. His fiance is from the south and that's where her family is. Is she 100% on #teamHodgson. We know he wants to come, but it's never an easy decision. Syracuse has to make it an easy decision for him.

 

[dasher]

OK? so if Hop was hired, no prob with name above. That is puzzling to an adult mind?

That puzzles you? He would have his revenge. Pretty obvious to me.

 

[dasher]

Hop’s track record is bad. His offense was terrible, and his vision and schemes did not work, and he failed to adjust despite 7 years. You’d think getting roasted by the national media and other fanbases would alone make them run away from making this poor hiring decision.

He also can show not one but two Coach of the year awards. Plus, a long time serving this institution well. He can try to sell that he lost his recruiting base when he went west. And that Washington is a tough place to win.

 

[pearl31]

I've got to say there does seem to be quite a "all we have to do is offer Hodgson the job, it's his dream job, done deal" echo chamber going on

 

[cusefan88]

He also can show not one but two Coach of the year awards. Plus, a long time serving this institution well. He can try to sell that he lost his recruiting base when he went west. And that Washington is a tough place to win.

It's not the same but Washington for me is in a similar vein to Maryland. Obviously Terps have more success but looking at the local talent (Seattle and DMV) you would expect more. To your point Washington does seem difficult to win at. Romar was inconsistent but had some good moments when he kept local talent (Brandon Roy Nate Robinson etc).